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Car Forum / Honda Cars / July 2005What Is Term For Metallic Particles In Paint?
We had some body work done on our 2003 Accord, and they did a poor job of matching the colors between the hood and fenders. When I pointed it out to the estimator, he said they must have used (too much or too little) of the metallic particles. Causes the paint to reflect light differently, and gives the effect of two, different colors. He had a term for it. Duffing or something strange like that. Anyone know what it was? Dick > We had some body work done on our 2003 Accord, and they did a poor job > of matching the colors between the hood and fenders. When I pointed [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > term for it. Duffing or something strange like that. Anyone know > what it was? AFAIK, they're just called "aluminum flake", or "mica".  SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >> We had some body work done on our 2003 Accord, and they did a poor job >> of matching the colors between the hood and fenders. When I pointed [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >AFAIK, they're just called "aluminum flake", or "mica". How about "Leafing?" I found that term on the Internet. Dick >>> We had some body work done on our 2003 Accord, and they did a poor >>> job of matching the colors between the hood and fenders. When I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > How about "Leafing?" I found that term on the Internet. Um, no. SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ Well, actually yes. I ran into that term when trying to come up with a special "platinum" edition of a product my company made. This was powder not liquiid coating and if it contained "leafing" aluminum it absolutely has to be clear coated after the initial coat is on. We found that out the hard way. Normal automotive metallic coatings are not of the "leafing" type and can be enhanced by clear coat but it is not an absolute necessity. Frank >>>> We had some body work done on our 2003 Accord, and they did a poor >>>> job of matching the colors between the hood and fenders. When I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Um, no. >>>>AFAIK, they're just called "aluminum flake", or "mica". >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Well, actually yes. <snip> > Normal automotive metallic coatings are > not of the "leafing" type You just told me "yes", but then right after that you say "no". Which is it? SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >You just told me "yes", but then right after that you say "no". > >Which is it? Yes, the term "leafing" related to metallic coatings exists. I'm only experienced with it in powder coatings and don't know if it is also in liquid coatings. But I do know that if it is used without clear coat it will not work. While it looks fine when initially applied, the aluminum comes to the surface and can be rubbed off giving an inconsistent look. When immediatley clearcoated, it is absolutley beautiful and durable. The original poster asked about the term. I was offering clarification. No, I've never seen it in automotive (after market) coatings, but, while I've painted several cars (most recently a '90 Accord with a Dupont metallic), I've not looked extensively to know that it is not offered. No intention to offend, Frank >Yes, the term "leafing" related to metallic coatings exists. I'm only >experienced with it in powder coatings and don't know if it is also in [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Frank I am the OP. When I take the car in tomorrow, I will ask about the term he used and report it back to this thread. I can't believe what they charge for the paint for Honda's. We had only the hood and front bumper cover painted and the paint material alone was $400. Would hate to think of what it would cost to paint a house with that paint! :-) Dick > I can't believe what they charge for the paint for Honda's. We had > only the hood and front bumper cover painted and the paint material > alone was $400. Would hate to think of what it would cost to paint a > house with that paint! :-) that $400 wasnt just for a quart of paint. chances are, they had to buy: primer plastic primer for bumpers (unless you like the peel-off paint look) base coat- dual stage paint urethane thinner urethane hardener color coat- dual stage paint clear coat. that works out to an average of $57 per item. color coat was probably in the area of $100/qt. compare that to $80 for a 5 gallon bucket of premium latex paint at lowes. i was able to paint my moms house with 2 buckets, and a "wagner paint crew" sprayer. 80 quarts of paint, times $300 (ill leave off the plastic primer) means $24k for the nicest looking home in southern california! hehe >Yes, the term "leafing" related to metallic coatings exists. I'm only >experienced with it in powder coatings and don't know if it is also in [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Frank Now that I have looked through several sites on auto painting I'm pretty sure the term he used was FLOP, which is the change you see when viewing from different angles. He said that had to be changed when they repaint it. Dick I think this is the right term. The metallic flakes have to be oriented a certain way or it doesn't match the car. By the way, only high-end cars have mica, and the Accord doesn't qualify. Accord is metallic. >I think this is the right term. The metallic flakes have to be >oriented a certain way or it doesn't match the car. > >By the way, only high-end cars have mica, and the Accord doesn't >qualify. Accord is metallic. You mean the Accord is not a high-end car? Dang. Could have fooled me. :-) Dick Accord is a study of efficiency, and doesn't indulge with true excess. After 5,500 miles with my '04 EX V6, and coming out of an Infiniti I30t, I can name lots of cost cutters utilized in the Accord. And it doesn't bother me, because I chose to save about $10,000 even though I could afford it. *Soundproofing -- completely inadequate. *Limited Slip Differential -- missing in action, this car desperately need it considering the 240 hp. The Traction Control cost them almost nothing to add, and doesn't work worth a hoot. *Leather -- definitely low grade stuff, and will probably start disintegrating in 5 years if not cared for religiously. *No fog or turn lights standard. *Unbelieveably cheezy front license plate holder doesn't even fit standard-sized plates. *The paint has little luster, and no depth at all. You can wax all you want, you won't improve the appearance any. *The ride, at least with the standard 16" alloys on the EX V6, is much too jiggly. To show the TL in a better light, I think Honda intentionally sucked some of the "double wishbone performance" out of the Accord. Good on paper, mediocre ride in actuality. *Jeez, just how many pieces did they use to assemble the dash? It looks good, but seems to be a lego set. *Creaks, rattles. *Too little boost in the power steering at low speeds, again to distinguish it from the TL. *Even though the stereo system is a great improvement over previous Honda's, they couldn't have spent more than $5 on the rear speakers. Exotic Neodymium magnets? HA. Small and cheap, and can't even keep up with the head unit's marginally good output. >>I think this is the right term. The metallic flakes have to be >>oriented a certain way or it doesn't match the car. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Dick i saw a "stripped" version (DX?) of the latest accord, and it stuck out like a turd in a punch bowl. the mirrors and door handles were black, and it was a light colored car. >I think this is the right term. The metallic flakes have to be >oriented a certain way or it doesn't match the car. > >By the way, only high-end cars have mica, and the Accord doesn't >qualify. Accord is metallic. Here's the latest on my light shading problem. The car has now been painted a second time with very little improvement. (Desert Mist color.) They will start a third painting in the morning. The body shop has run numerous test panels, called the paint manufacturers, etc. The maddening part is that the entire front of the car was painted (twice) with the same paint, same gun, same painter, etc. Yet the hood looks completely different depending upon how you look at it in sunlight. Sometimes it looks dark gold. Sometimes it looks very silver. They are blaming it on the Honda formula for the metallic particles. I went over to the body shop where I should have taken it in the first place (does all work for local Honda dealer) and they said it is not a problem with the metallic particles at all, but is because the first shop does not use OEM (PPG) paint. They said if you use Dupont or a couple of others he named, that is exactly the problem you will have. I have to think he knows what he is talking about as they do Honda's all day long. Anyone else had this experience with non-OEM paints? Dick > We had some body work done on our 2003 Accord, and they did a poor job > of matching the colors between the hood and fenders. When I pointed [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Dick ------------------------------ On DODGE products I've driven, the metalic particles in the paint were called: :-) _R _U _S _T :-) Have a good weekend. 'Curly' |
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