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Car Forum / Honda Cars / August 2005how long do brake pads last?
I feel like I'm stirring the pot a little bit. I know this is a tough question... anyway, for a manual car, driving in the suburbs (not New York like traffic jam, but also not interstate highway all day long), you know, the usual 5-10 miles to work every day, groceries, gym, shopping, doctor, etc. so how long so the brake pads last, ON AVERAGE? just throw some numbers. I mean, 1000 miles would probably be unheard of, right? also, 200k miles would also be unheard of (remember, this is mostly suburbs, not highway). I'm asking because I peeked at my pads and there is some thickness left, need to get the caliper and measure properly over the weekend. I am approaching 60k miles. thanks I had a similar question earlier, and was discussed here: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/browse_frm/thread/8d4 dffbbc4555908/1194d663db93080d?hl=en#1194d663db93080d On 7/28/05 10:01 PM, in article 1122603600.267210.3850@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "chibitul" > I feel like I'm stirring the pot a little bit. I know this is a tough > question... anyway, for a manual car, driving in the suburbs (not New [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > thanks My experiences in that type of driving on my newest couple of cars has been about 60k-70k on the front pads and 90k on the rears. Most cars now have little wear bars attached to the pads to warn you when they are almost gone. If you start hearing a scraping noise (it can be subtle on some cars, screaming on others), that is the car telling you its time to check the pads. If you have one of the Hondas that does not have the tiny little parking brake drums hidden in the rear rotors (Integras & Civics), expect the rear pads to go before the fronts. >I feel like I'm stirring the pot a little bit. I know this is a tough >question... anyway, for a manual car, driving in the suburbs (not New [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >and there is some thickness left, need to get the caliper and measure >properly over the weekend. I am approaching 60k miles. Somewhere between 100 and 200k miles. There is no specific answer. That is why it is recommended you check the pads for wear at regular intervals. -------------- Alex well, smart guy, I asked what is the average. Imagine it is some soft of Gaussian distribution, or whatever, and yes, some brakes wear out faster (100 miles), some wear out very late (200k miles) as you said. but these are UNUSUAL cases, 1 in a million or so. I wanted to know the AVERAGE. If that concept is familiar to you, please let me know. thanks p.s. I am going to check tha pads tomorrow. > well, smart guy, I asked what is the average. Imagine it is some soft > of Gaussian distribution, or whatever, and yes, some brakes wear out [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > thanks > p.s. I am going to check tha pads tomorrow. there is no average. the variables of location, driving style & typical journey are just too broad to generalize. all you can do, as you about to do, is check periodically and monitor wear rate. > chibitul wrote: > > well, smart guy, I asked what is the average. Imagine it is some soft [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > there is no average. the variables of location, driving style & typical > journey are just too broad to generalize. Of course there's an average, and of course it could be helpful to know. The distribution probably is Gaussian. Unless one knows the standard deviation of the average is extremely high, then the variables you name are no more too broad to generalize than, say, adult male height. Even if the S.D. is extremely high, the original poster could seek averages for simply his locale (and for OEM pads), and this would reduce the S.D. and no doubt provide useful information to him. >> there is no average. the variables of location, driving style & typical >> journey are just too broad to generalize. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > would > reduce the S.D. and no doubt provide useful information to him. I agree. Also, you could calculate several averages if you had the data. An average for urban driving, an average for highway driving, an average for suburban driving, an average for little old ladies, etc. I have a 99 Accord with 4 wheel disc brakes that just turned over 70k with the original brakes. I bought replacement pads a couple years ago but still have not needed to put them on. Sid >Of course there's an average, and of course it could be helpful to know. I think it would hurt more than help. There is such a wide range of pad life that you could think you are average, when you are really below average and you ruined your rotors. --------------- Alex > well, smart guy, I asked what is the average. Imagine it is some soft > of Gaussian distribution, or whatever, and yes, some brakes wear out [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > thanks > p.s. I am going to check tha pads tomorrow. depends on your style of driving. if you treat the gas and brake as on/off pedals, your pads wont last as long as coasting before stopping and using engine braking correctly. > well, smart guy, I asked what is the average. Imagine it is some soft > of Gaussian distribution, or whatever, and yes, some brakes wear out > faster (100 miles), some wear out very late (200k miles) as you said. > but these are UNUSUAL cases, 1 in a million or so. I wanted to know the > AVERAGE. If that concept is familiar to you, please let me know. Well, if you're such a smart a.s, figure it out for yourself. G-O-O-G-L-E if you're having trouble getting started. > thanks > p.s. I am going to check tha pads tomorrow. No one gives a big rodent's rectum! > well, smart guy, I asked what is the average. Imagine it is some soft > of Gaussian distribution, or whatever, and yes, some brakes wear out [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > thanks > p.s. I am going to check tha pads tomorrow. I get 35K on OEM Honda pads on a 96 Civic coupe.  Signature"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain -- I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the president. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation. " - George "Dubya" Bush > I feel like I'm stirring the pot a little bit. I know this is a tough > question... anyway, for a manual car, driving in the suburbs (not New [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > thanks I have a 98 Accord MT. 106K. Front pads still have 20% left, all original. I do not downshift to brake, but often stay in a lower gear, and thus do not brake nearly as much as autos I follow. My 87 Accord's front pads usually only lasted 50K. > I have a 98 Accord MT. 106K. Front pads still have 20% left, all original. > I do not downshift to brake, but often stay in a lower gear, and thus do > not brake nearly as much as autos I follow. > > My 87 Accord's front pads usually only lasted 50K. Thanks, now this is what I consider useful information, unlike some of the other "smart" answers. >> I have a 98 Accord MT. 106K. Front pads still have 20% left, all >> original. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Thanks, now this is what I consider useful information, unlike some of > the other "smart" answers. Uh-huh. So how long do brake pads last, based on that data? based on this answer (and other information I found searching older threads) I would say the "average" lifetime of Honda pads is between 50k and 100k miles. Of course it depends on too many factors to list here. But here are a couple of point I learned: 1 -50k miles is not unusual, that is for typical driving conditions. if you do pizza delivery of course the pads will wear down faster, and if you do only highway of course they may well last over 100k miles. 2 -usually you do not have to turn the rotors, they last almost 200k miles if you use OEM pads and do not let the pads wear down to the metal. I check my pads and I have 2.1-2.2 mm left, that is at 59k miles. that is just in line with what others experienced. you give me more data for your specific case (auto/manual, citi/highway, aggressive/moderate drivers, hilly/flat region, etc.) and I will give you an even better *estimate* remember, it is just an *estimate*. > remember, it is just an *estimate*. I don't think there is an estimate for brake wear. There are just too many factors. You might get an average and that's about it. The only way to find out if the pads needed replacing are from regular inspections or hearing the tell-tale noise. it depends on how you drive car. There is a way to keep lasting a break pad. A soft driver usually keep their pad last while the violent drivers does opposite. It is not based on luck or sitution or type or condition of car. It is based on pure driving skill... If you're willing to work the standard tranny, they'll last a very long time. Quality of rotor and pads will play a big factor (along with driving style) on the wear factor. I tend to drive hard, but don't use the brake much (I prefer to downshift or swing around the obstical). Anyways, my 1998 Civic is on it's 4th set of pad up front and the rear drum are still on the orginal shoes. The car has 246,000km and the clutch is still orginal. I'm do for a new clutch in the near future, but since the bad presure plate and stiff clutch pedal doesn't bother me, I'm probaly gonna milk it for a few more season. Pars 98 Civic Hatch > I feel like I'm stirring the pot a little bit. I know this is a tough > question... anyway, for a manual car, driving in the suburbs (not New [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > thanks Too variable due to driving style. My wife and I both had '90 Integras years ago. She drove hers like a bat out of Hell and it needed 2 replacements on the front (one on the rear also, I think) before she sold it at 89,000 miles. Mine made it 105,000 before needing front pads, and the original rears lasted until it was sold at 119,000. |
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