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Car Forum / Honda Cars / October 2005lost control on accord when turning corner
Hello, I've a 2001 accord LX that I've driven for several years. Had the tires changed about 2 years ago and the front pads changed. Just today when driving towards a parking lot, I was going 35 mph (road was wet) and when I applied brakes and turned left, the car didn't stop and went straight instead. I re-applied brakes until it stopped, but it took some effort. Is this a skid ? I guess the roads were wet, but I had driven that road before. The brakes not applying and not being able to turn left has left me puzzled. Is there anything on the tires/brakes that I should get checked? Could a road condition cause this? Please advise. Thanks Did you have a very long dry period before the rain - the first few minutes of rain after a long dry period produces very slick roads till the oil gets washed off. Also what kind of tires do you have - had big problems with wet weather traction with Michelin MXV4 "energy" tires - suckers broke loose and then it is impossible to get the vehicle under control - something about the tire design being to optomize mileage at the vast expense of traction - awful tires. Also how many miles on the tires and are any underinflated - I run mine at the max recommended on the driver door tire info plate. I had the tread checked at the dealer and it was still within limits. The tires are Goodyear Viva on the front and Goodyear Touring in the back. They are rated for 60,000 and I usually drive < 10K miles per year. I also checked the air pressure was 30PSI which is the specification on the door. The tires do show some wear at the sidewalls. I did have been them rotated last oil change. There must be something about that road. They had that road re-painted a while back and today was the first day of signicant rain. >I had the tread checked at the dealer and it >was still within limits. The tires are Goodyear Viva [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >There must be something about that road. They had that road re-painted >a while back and today was the first day of signicant rain. Maybe, but running different tires on the front and back isn't going to help. It sounds like the front tires don't have as much grip in wet conditions. The fact that you just rotated them means you went from one extreme to the other. A classic case of going too fast for conditions. What you did was to lock the brakes, and when the front axle locked up, the tires slid instead of taking you around the turn. You can't steer a locked wheel, it tends to continue in the direction that your momentum is taking it. The other poster had a valid point about road oils being flushed to the surface, usually after a period of dry weather. Often you can get a clue about this condition by watching the road surface right after a vehicle passes; the surface film appears "soapy" looking from the surface oils being emulsified. Slow down in the rain, especially if you have only limited experience, which <10K/year indicates. For the best handling, have the same brand, tread style and tire size on each corner, unless the car comes with different sizes, front and rear, from the factory. Slow down to a speed appropriate for the conditions prevailing, and be glad you had room to recover before you hit a solid object or left the road surface. > Hello, > I've a 2001 accord LX that I've driven [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Thanks Its driving me nuts that no one said the word understeer. Thats all it is. Hondas do that all the time. KH >A classic case of going too fast for conditions. What you did was to lock >the brakes, and when the front axle locked up, the tires slid instead of [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >> >> Thanks If this guy drives <10K/Yr., he wouldn't understand the word "understeer". He probably wouldn't recognize true hydroplaning either, but here he is blaming his lack of skills on the tires, even though he doesn't understand the handling character of his vehicle under marginal weather conditions. If you lose control as he apparently did, that is too fast for conditions, whatever you choose to call the ultimate cause. > Its driving me nuts that no one said the word understeer. Thats all it is. > Hondas do that all the time. [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >>> >>> Thanks As do all cars. You wouldn't want it any other way. Every corner would feel unstable, like steering while backing up. If it hasn't happened since, you probably just hit a slippery spot. And braking in a turn didn't help. Your tire has only so much grip, which is split between braking and cornering. You know, on this topic, I bought a 05 accord with the tcs or whatever the traction control thing is. It just rained here for the first time since I got it. Its kinda wierd this drive by wire thing, but it works. When you get to heavy on the gas in a corner it limits your wheel speed and keeps the car going where you want it. Kinda creepy but I can get used to it. Braking of course is the same as always. I remember the first time I drove a car with abs. That also took some getting used to. KH > If it hasn't happened since, you probably just hit a slippery spot. And > braking in a turn didn't help. Your tire has only so much grip, which > is split between braking and cornering. |
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