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Car Forum / Honda Cars / December 20052006 Honda Civic - Car of the Year
For the first time ever I own a cool car! :)  SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? > For the first time ever I own a cool car! :) Just curious, but who elected it as such? I figured it would be a toss-up between the Civic and the new Hyundai Sonata. High Tech Misfit <me@privacy.net> wrote in rec.autos.makers.honda: >> For the first time ever I own a cool car! :) > > Just curious, but who elected it as such? > > I figured it would be a toss-up between the Civic and the new Hyundai > Sonata. Motortrend SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? The one thing that bugs me about the "Car of the Year" award is that it is for "new cars". Thus, if there are three crappy new designs and one super excellent existing design car in a class, the "car of the year" award goes to one of the three crappy ones because they are newly designed. SignatureKWW > High Tech Misfit <me@privacy.net> wrote in rec.autos.makers.honda: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Motortrend KWW <kwalker@nospamaircooled.net> wrote in rec.autos.makers.honda: > The one thing that bugs me about the "Car of the Year" award is > that it is for "new cars". Thus, if there are three crappy new > designs and one super excellent existing design car in a class, > the "car of the year" award goes to one of the three crappy ones > because they are newly designed. Okay you guys, quit peeing in my Cheerios. >:( SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? > KWW <kwalker@nospamaircooled.net> wrote in rec.autos.makers.honda: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Okay you guys, quit peeing in my Cheerios. >:( From what I have read across the board, the Civic is getting very good reviews. I looked over a 4-dr EX at our local dealer and liked it. I will be very interested to see the new SI and compare it with my Prelude. >>KWW <kwalker@nospamaircooled.net> wrote in rec.autos.makers.honda: >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > reviews. I looked over a 4-dr EX at our local dealer and liked it. I will > be very interested to see the new SI and compare it with my Prelude. personally, i'd /not/ trade the prelude for the si unless i was only ever going to drive in straight lines. the si has a great motor, but the prelude has wishbones on all 4 corners. that's a fundamentally better suspension arrangement than the mcpherson garbage the bean counters have inflicted on the honda engineering team with the civic. don't get me wrong, mcpherson handles fine for average driving, freeways, etc. but if you ever drive hard, wishbone is the only way to go. > >>KWW <kwalker@nospamaircooled.net> wrote in rec.autos.makers.honda: > >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > freeways, etc. but if you ever drive hard, wishbone is the only > way to go. I do tend to throw the Prelude around like I used to when I autocrossed years ago. I agree, the Prelude has a better suspension and is (from the pix of the SI) a better looking car. The SI ought outperform the Prelude -- at least 0-60 but maybe not at top end. I really can't think of a step up unless I get into a S2000. >>>>KWW <kwalker@nospamaircooled.net> wrote in rec.autos.makers.honda: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > at least 0-60 but maybe not at top end. I really can't think of a step up > unless I get into a S2000. wish i could get into an s2000! not enough leg room. :( jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote in rec.autos.makers.honda: > wish i could get into an s2000! not enough leg room. :( I looked at 'em, and at 5'3" I'm not sure *I* would have fit. SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? TWW <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote in rec.autos.makers.honda: > I do tend to throw the Prelude around like I used to when I > autocrossed years ago. I agree, the Prelude has a better > suspension and is (from the pix of the SI) a better looking car. > The SI ought outperform the Prelude -- at least 0-60 but maybe not > at top end. I really can't think of a step up unless I get into a > S2000. Honestly, if I had been given more than three friggin' days to get a new car (unless I wanted to pay for a rental myself), I would have shopped for a Prelude. I was a big fan of the lavender one. SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? The wishbone suspension is why I loved my '96 Civic.... until my eldest son totaled it.... a very sad day. SignatureKWW >>>KWW <kwalker@nospamaircooled.net> wrote in rec.autos.makers.honda: >>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > freeways, etc. but if you ever drive hard, wishbone is the only > way to go. >>> KWW <kwalker@nospamaircooled.net> wrote in rec.autos.makers.honda: >>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > freeways, etc. but if you ever drive hard, wishbone is the only > way to go. Gee, the Porsche 911 series had McPherson struts up front for years (starting when they were first shown in 1963 and still have them for all I know). IMHO the 911's are regarded as handling pretty well. I was thinking about this and maybe it is because the struts are short travel in the Civic AND have to be extra stiff because of all the engine/tranny weight. The Porsche 911, on the other hand, has a very light front end since the engine and transaxle are in the back. SignatureKWW '65 Beetle (Jenny the IOC) '64 Beetle (TBD the Blue Wave) > >>>> KWW <kwalker@nospamaircooled.net> wrote in rec.autos.makers.honda: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > (starting when they were first shown in 1963 and still have them for all I > know). IMHO the 911's are regarded as handling pretty well. > I was thinking about this and maybe it is because the struts are short > travel in the Civic AND have to be extra stiff because of all the > engine/tranny weight. The Porsche 911, on the other hand, has a very light > front end since the engine and transaxle are in the back. Could be, I have no understanding of the details of these things. > The one thing that bugs me about the "Car of the Year" award is that it is > for "new cars". Thus, if there are three crappy new designs and one super > excellent existing design car in a class, the "car of the year" award goes > to one of the three crappy ones because they are newly designed. Just like the Oscars, Tonys, Emmys, etc. Only good for that year's product. > > Brandy Alexandre wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Motortrend If the Si beats out the Corvette as best new sports car, It might also win car-of-year with AJAC association (which is for all of Canada). Pars > If the Si beats out the Corvette as best new sports car, It might also win > car-of-year with AJAC association (which is for all of Canada). i was reading somewhere that the C6 is better and cheaper than the C5, yet its not selling as well. what gives? SoCalMike <Mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote in rec.autos.makers.honda: >> If the Si beats out the Corvette as best new sports car, It might >> also win car-of-year with AJAC association (which is for all of >> Canada). > > i was reading somewhere that the C6 is better and cheaper than the > C5, yet its not selling as well. what gives? It's because word leaked out that sexual security is evident by the disproportionate length of one's car hood. ;) SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? Brandy Alexandre wrote: > SoCalMike <Mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote in > rec.autos.makers.honda: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > It's because word leaked out that sexual security is evident by the > disproportionate length of one's car hood. ;) Really? Hm, I've always liked small cars. > > If the Si beats out the Corvette as best new sports car, It might also win > > car-of-year with AJAC association (which is for all of Canada). > > i was reading somewhere that the C6 is better and cheaper than the C5, > yet its not selling as well. what gives? Strange. That C6 is one hot commodity. There seems to be more then usual on the mean streets of Toronto. I guess in other parts, it's not doing as well... Perhaps, one day when I win the Lotto, I'll get myself one. (Unless Honda comes out with a coupe version of the S2000 with a more spacious cockpit). Pars > > > Brandy Alexandre wrote: > > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Pars The SI is going to be tough to find as I understand from my local dealer. It is limited production comprising something less than 5% of total Civic production. Our local dealer has one coming in in mid Jan and then another in late March -- both sold. If you want to put a deposit down now you are looking at June/Jul next year. The RSX S is more available. However, as the owner of an 01 Prelude I am simply going to hang onto what I have and be happy. In fact our local dealer has 3 2005 S2000s on the lot..... so maybe. That's not going to help those who want one w/o paying MSRP. Tush Smells Bush Kills!!!!!!!!!!! <rsfccarbomb@yahoo.com> wrote in rec.autos.makers.honda: > That's not going to help those who want one w/o paying MSRP. I know. I'm sort of glad it happened because I did pay MSRP and I don't want to be the only "idiot." I must say, it's worth every penny so far (with "so far" being 1700 miles). SignatureBrandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? >That's not going to help those who want one w/o paying MSRP. Not if they want to buy now, but that's usually the case for new models. It should be possible to buy them cheaper next spring. > That's not going to help those who want one w/o paying MSRP. One local dealership averages $1500 off MSRP (advertised and in stock) since the day they were introduced. I have no doubt they'd offer the same if I preordered an Si. Brandy Alexandre wrote: > For the first time ever I own a cool car! :) Don't be too enthused by the "Car of the Year" title since Motor Trend bases it more on market hype than vehicle merit, one of the worst examples being the Chevy Vega, their choice in 1971, and several years earlier they named the Toyota Corona as "Import Car of the Year" after Toyota paid for the entire year's circulation. At least with the Honda Civic is a good choice. The Renaut Aliance (Aliant?) was a "Car of the Year" and it was crap .... don't know if the "Yugo" also received that "honor". SignatureKWW > Brandy Alexandre wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Toyota paid for the entire year's circulation. At least with the Honda > Civic is a good choice. > The Renaut Aliance (Aliant?) was a "Car of the Year" and it was crap .... > don't know if the "Yugo" also received that "honor". About 20 years ago someone routinely parked a Renault in my neighborhood with "Le Piece of sh.t" stenciled on its doors. I laughed every time I saw it (which was pretty often). Don't forget (how couldn't you - its totally forgetable) the Plymouth Horizon got these "honors". It was just a bad copy of the VW Rabbit. They definately sell this award. Not that the Civic is a bad car. rj > Brandy Alexandre wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Toyota paid for the entire year's circulation. At least with the Honda > Civic is a good choice. > Don't forget (how couldn't you - its totally forgetable) the Plymouth > Horizon got these "honors". It was just a bad copy of the VW Rabbit. the first ones even used the VW 1.6l engine, until chrysler could make enough engines. >Don't forget (how couldn't you - its totally forgetable) the Plymouth >Horizon got these "honors". It was just a bad copy of the VW Rabbit. They [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >rj For what its worth, back in those days only domestic manufacturers were eligible for the COTY award. There would be a separate Import COTY. Maybe the Omni/Horizon was the best new domestic car that year. It was certainly the high point of Chrysler's offerings that year. Unless you wanted fine Corinthian leather. >> Brandy Alexandre wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> Toyota paid for the entire year's circulation. At least with the Honda >> Civic is a good choice. > Maybe the Omni/Horizon was the best new domestic car that year. > It was certainly the high point of Chrysler's offerings that year. > Unless you wanted fine Corinthian leather. More specifically, it was fine RICH Corinthian leather. :-) >Don't be too enthused by the "Car of the Year" title since Motor Trend >bases it more on market hype than vehicle merit, one of the worst >examples being the Chevy Vega, their choice in 1971, and several years >earlier they named the Toyota Corona as "Import Car of the Year" after >Toyota paid for the entire year's circulation. At least with the Honda >Civic is a good choice. Let's not forget the Renault Alliance. Yew! That's one I'd like to forget. Andy |
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