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Car Forum / Honda Cars / December 2005Transmission service on 2000 Accord
2000 Accord, EX, V6, 49,000miles........ To service the automatic transmission (drain and refill fluid and filter(?) ), is it best to drop the transmission pan, or just remove drain plugs? Is there a filter that should be changed that can be accessed by dropping the pan? Finally, is Honda brand AT fluid really necessary? If so where might I get some at less than dealership MSRP prices? Thanks for any input!!! Bob > 2000 Accord, EX, V6, 49,000miles........ > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Bob ----------------------------- You have to use honda Z1. Warm it up, use a 3/8' socket HANDLE to remove the plug. drain it ten minutes, wipe off magnet and replace crush washer. Drive it a week and repeat the process. the tranny should be warmed up to guarantee that the crud is in solution. You'll use up to 4 litres each time, if you're thorough. There is no 'pan'. Filter cannot be accessed, and don't 'power flush' a Honda. Use other brands if you don't plan on keeping the car / hate the person you're selling it to. 'Curly' Just to expand a bit on what Curly sez about "power flushes". These flushes use a solvent that supposedly cleans out your tranny - well how do they get all of the flush fluid out of your tranny - answer they don't. If you want to overhaul your honda tranny sooner rather than later, have it power flushed and use some aftermarket ATF - hey the synthetic stuff may even get you that rebuilt tranny sooner than the cheap stuff. Listen to Curly . > If you want to overhaul your honda tranny sooner rather than > later, have it power flushed I can validate that--at least with Toyota trannies. One presumes Honda trannies behave similarly. Thanks for the reply Curly.... My experience with trannys has to date been mostly with full size trucks......hence my question about the filter in the pan. With external tranny coolers (trucks) I just opened the circulation line and drained about 2 qts with engine running, then added two qts.........repeating till fluid looked pink and nice. More of a transfusion really. But with Dexron III the cost per qt is much much less than Honda's proprietary ATF. Bob Bob If one changes the ATF every year, does it really accumulate that much "crud" ? We do about 15K to 25K a year, mostly long distance, at moderate speeds. ATF does not smell foul yet and still looks "not burned". Also, each time I have removed the plug, there was surprising VERY little "crud" on it. Have a 97 Accord, with 187K miles. > You have to use honda Z1. Warm it up, use a 3/8' socket HANDLE to remove > the plug. drain it ten minutes, wipe off magnet and replace crush > washer. Drive it a week and repeat the process. the tranny should be > warmed up to guarantee that the crud is in solution. > If one changes the ATF every year, does it really accumulate that much > "crud" ? nope. in fact, youre probably in the 5% that actually does maintenance like that. > We do about 15K to 25K a year, mostly long distance, at moderate speeds. > ATF does not smell foul yet and still looks "not burned". not towing, doing "neutral drops" or peeling out is a plus, too. > Also, each time I have removed the plug, there was surprising VERY little > "crud" on it. > Have a 97 Accord, with 187K miles. some toyotas recommend NO tranny fluid replacement. ever. If you figure the cost of engine oil/filter (yellow indicator intervals) ATF/air filter/brake fluid (yearly), the cost per mile is not that much. It just easier for me to do things like this yearly rather than the recommended time intervals. How would I remember a four year interval? >> If one changes the ATF every year, does it really accumulate that much >> "crud" ? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > some toyotas recommend NO tranny fluid replacement. ever. > If one changes the ATF every year, does it really accumulate that much > "crud" ? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "crud" on it. > Have a 97 Accord, with 187K miles. ------------------------ Congrats . . . It's nice to hear somebody who likes to err on the side of better maintenance. I was talking about 'soluble' stuff, like the non-metalic friction matter that won't stick to the magnet. First change of the ATF is when you really get the clump on the magnet. After that it's just a coat of black 'fuzz'. I always try to hold the magnet part-ways out while draining, otherwise the ATF pisses almost on the passenger's tire. 'Curly' LOL, been there, done that. You should see how many sweatshirts I have with an oily right sleeve ..... Dang, did it again .... What were these Honda engineers thinking when they put the oil filter in the back of the engine ..... TIP: Our newspaper always comes to our yard in this long skinny plastic bag. Guess what, just right to make into a long skinny "glove". Works great for changing oil, etc. I have a bunch of them in the trunk to use when I take the winter chains OFF. You do not need this "glove", when you put them on ..... Actually, this idea came from the Missus !!!! HTH. "'Curly Q. Links'" > I always try to hold the magnet part-ways out while draining, otherwise > the ATF pisses almost on the passenger's tire. > Our newspaper always comes to our yard in this long skinny plastic bag. > Guess what, just right to make into a long skinny "glove". > Works great for changing oil, etc. Great idea. Unfortunately we don't get the newspaper delivered so I use the gloves made for field dressing (buy them at hunting shops). 2 for $1.50. The "kit" actually comes with 4 gloves. 2 short ones (which I use when hunting) and the 2 long ones that I never used till I started doing my own fluid changes. > 2000 Accord, EX, V6, 49,000miles........ > > To service the automatic transmission (drain and refill fluid and > filter(?) ), is it best to drop the transmission pan, or just remove > drain plugs? i dont think there is a pan. if there is, thatd be the way to go. > Is there a filter that should be changed that can be accessed by > dropping the pan? AFAIK, no. > Finally, is Honda brand AT fluid really necessary? If so where might > I get some at less than dealership MSRP prices? yes! or at least specifically honda compatible. This thread has been helpful for me - thanks all. A couple of questions. 1. I have a 2002 Honda Accord's 4 cyl with 47k miles. The owner's manual says change fluid at 100k miles. I planned on changing it at 50k. I just checked the fluid and its a bit brownish. Why would this be. More importantly, why would Honda recommend 100k change. 2. Does anyone know of any internet part stores where one might pay less than the $7.50 per quart for the Honda ATF my dealership wants. Thanks - Jack > 2000 Accord, EX, V6, 49,000miles........ > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Bob > 1. I have a 2002 Honda Accord's 4 cyl with 47k miles. The owner's > manual says change fluid at 100k miles. I planned on changing it at > 50k. I just checked the fluid and its a bit brownish. Why would this > be. More importantly, why would Honda recommend 100k change. Does your manual specify a time-based interval in addition to the mileage interval? If so, I bet it's less than 4 years. >>1. I have a 2002 Honda Accord's 4 cyl with 47k miles. The owner's >>manual says change fluid at 100k miles. I planned on changing it at [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Does your manual specify a time-based interval in addition to the mileage > interval? If so, I bet it's less than 4 years. My Owners manual for a 2002 Honda AT indicates replacing 120,000 miles or 6 years, then every 90,000 miles or 5 years. This appear significantly longer than brown fluid would indicate. However Bob indicated in a later message that ATF may be brown, but he wasn't sure. Anyone know if its normal for fluid to be brown after 47k miles? I'm planning on changing, but I just want to know! I found Honda Z1 ATF at Richardson Honda in Texas for $4.50/qt. Also on ebay I saw some from a"decent" looking seller for about $5.75/qt. Honda ATF may be brown in color, I am not sure. Dexron III is red/pink, but this does not go in Hondas. Bob--------who is looking forward to sliding under his wife's accord over the holidays to change fluids. I change my 97 accord atf at 30K intervals - was following the owners manual - but got a tranny code light at 70K - fluid was burnt - did the multiple change routine - change the atf while hot - drive 150 or so miles - change again. Changing disconnecting the tranny cooler line would be the way to do it - but changing every 30K seems to work for me. Got 190K plus on it and still shifts fine. Got a deal from local honda dealer - bought 12 quarts of their atf for something over $4/quart. He treated it as a commercial sale. > I found Honda Z1 ATF at Richardson Honda in Texas for $4.50/qt. Also > on ebay I saw some from a"decent" looking seller for about $5.75/qt. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Bob--------who is looking forward to sliding under his wife's accord > over the holidays to change fluids. Bob, thanks for the info on your local prices. Called some different dealerships locally and some are quoting $4.50. I'll check them out. Thanks for the info on the brown color also. Can anyone confirm than some Honda ATFs were normal with brown color (2002 Accord). Thanks - Jack On 12/22/05 12:39 AM, in article pSrqf.33621$BZ5.33578@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com, "JackRazz" >> I found Honda Z1 ATF at Richardson Honda in Texas for $4.50/qt. Also >> on ebay I saw some from a"decent" looking seller for about $5.75/qt. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Thanks - Jack All the Honda ATF I've ever seen is honey gold in color. If its brown, change it. >On 12/22/05 12:39 AM, in article >pSrqf.33621$BZ5.33578@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com, "JackRazz" [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >All the Honda ATF I've ever seen is honey gold in color. If its brown, >change it. Maybe the MTF but the ATF should be a pinkish cherry red color. I've seen on the Hyundais that the color changes to brown quicker than on the Hondas but from all postings in the Hyundai group, it is normal for it to change to brown before the 30k interval change. I've always changed my Hondas at the 30k intervals and the color is usually that cherry red color even after I'm draining the old fluid. If it's brown, then you might need to change it twice or even three time to get enough of the fluid changed. Nick On 12/22/05 11:32 AM, in article 4kolq190s9ev8p4degib40eoj7348nigvd@4ax.com, "Nick" <npolite@NOSPAMMONKEYS.yahoo.com> wrote: >> On 12/22/05 12:39 AM, in article >> pSrqf.33621$BZ5.33578@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com, "JackRazz" [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Nick You're right. I just went out and checked a bottle of it I have in the garage. Honda ATF is pink. Sorry about the brain fart. Same advice though - if OP is seeing brown he should change it. Thanks everyone on the info regarding brown atf fluid. I plan on changing it over the holidays. Jack |
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