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Car Forum / Honda Cars / January 2006How does Honda compare in reliability to other Jap/Korean cars?
Since I was originally writing about Honda and Mitsubishi, I thought I'd put in my input on how I feel it compares and if anyone has different feedback, by all means let me know. Below is what I think the reliability and quality factor is like: Honda Toyota Subaru Nissan Mazda Hyundai Mitsubishi Daewoo Isuzu Suzuki Kia > Since I was originally writing about Honda and Mitsubishi, I thought I'd > put in my input on how I feel it compares and if anyone has different [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Suzuki > Kia I would actually rank Toyota a bit higher than Honda, only because of issues with Honda automatic transmissions mated to V6 engines. Honda appears to have the issue resolved, but we'll just have to wait a few years to see if the fix holds up. I would also rank Kia higher than Daewoo, although that's not saying much right now. But since some newer Kia's are now essentially rebadged Hyundai's, that may result in some increase in reliability for Kia. I also believe Hyundai has surpassed Mazda, as Mazda's reliability has really gone downhill in recent years. Even Nissan's reliability has been slipping quite a bit as of late. > > Since I was originally writing about Honda and Mitsubishi, I thought I'd > > put in my input on how I feel it compares and if anyone has different [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > appears to have the issue resolved, but we'll just have to wait a few > years to see if the fix holds up. I think the Toyota Prius shutting down while doing highway speeds is far more of a concern. > I think the Toyota Prius shutting down while doing highway speeds is > far more of a concern. Did you forget about that massive Honda ignition switch recall? Same symptom but different culprit. Anyway, Toyota issued a recall for that problem and implemented a software patch to fix it. For reliability, I'd rate them according to the little red and black circles of the Consumer Reports annual, April auto issue, surveying approx. 675,000 owners of IIRC 200 models of cars, according to a dozen or so categories of repairs. Review say the last five years listed, for each model, in the 2005 issue. I checked a couple of years ago, and Toyota and Honda still led in reliabity, by this measure. > Since I was originally writing about Honda and Mitsubishi, I thought I'd put > in my input on how I feel it compares and if anyone has different feedback, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Suzuki > Kia I basically agree pretty close. I prefer to put them in groups where the quality within the group is about equal. I would go: >Honda >Toyota >Subaru >Nissan >Mazda >Suzuki >Hyundai >Mitsubishi >Daewoo >Isuzu >Kia >Since I was originally writing about Honda and Mitsubishi, I thought I'd put >in my input on how I feel it compares and if anyone has different feedback, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Suzuki >Kia > Since I was originally writing about Honda and Mitsubishi, I thought I'd put > in my input on how I feel it compares and if anyone has different feedback, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Suzuki > Kia honda/toyota. or toyota/honda. toyotas are pretty damn bulletproof, and *gasp* might actually be engineered a tad bit better (there, i SAID it) than honda. their 4 cylinder truck engines, for example. > Since I was originally writing about Honda and Mitsubishi, I thought I'd put > in my input on how I feel it compares and if anyone has different feedback, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Suzuki > Kia I would agree with your ratings with some slight tweaks. I think Honda and Toyota should be both share the Number 1 position. I'm not sure on the Nissan and Mazda positions though, as both have had their share of reliability and build-quality problems lately. Hyundai's reliability and build-quality has improved tremendously, and I'm not too sure they couldn't move up a notch or possibly two. This manufacturer is really improving its product significantly with each model launch, and they've been reliable except for this first USA model back in the '80s - the Excel. And, I wouldn't place Daewoo ahead of those below it. If anything, Daewoo should be on the bottom. Since Hyundai-corporate bought Kia, cash strapped Kia has improved also. Take a careful look at the 2005/2006 Spectra and you will see what I mean. As a side-note, my son has a 1996 Galant ES sedan with over 130K on the clock, and he hasn't had any problems. It was built at the Bloomington-Normal, Illinois Mitsu plant. Don't know about the other brands but since 1986 I have owned a 1986 Honda Accord SEi I4 coupe, a 1996 Accord EX I4 Coupe, a 1992 Nisan Maxima SE, and a 2004 Maxima SE. Bought them all new new, drove them all at least 93,000 miles (except the latest Max which now has 32,000). IMHO all four were/are really good cars but the Maximas were significanly more trouble free than the Hondas. Not talking about little trim problems but things like leaking struts, failed radiators, failed ABS. Cars mostly driven in New England. Combined both long trips 3000 miles or more and city driving. > > Since I was originally writing about Honda and Mitsubishi, I thought I'd put > > in my input on how I feel it compares and if anyone has different feedback, [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > hasn't had any problems. It was built at the Bloomington-Normal, > Illinois Mitsu plant. I have had the opposite experience. I have owned 1990 Civic, 1991 Civic, 1994 Integra, 1995 Integra and 2000 Maxima SE. All hondas were pretty much trouble free (I have 145,000 miles on 1994 Integra now). The troubles I had with Hondas/Acuras were mostly rattles which have been nothing compared to Maxima. I have had light switches failure, cassette/CD player failure, window switch failure, problems with struts and lots of rattles. Front rotors on this car are constant source of problem. In 40,000 miles rotors have been replaced once and turned three times. -- Khalid khalid AT gonehiking DOT org > Don't know about the other brands but since 1986 I have owned a 1986 Honda > Accord SEi I4 coupe, a 1996 Accord EX I4 Coupe, a 1992 Nisan Maxima SE, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > free than the Hondas. Not talking about little trim problems but things like > leaking struts, failed radiators, failed ABS. > Cars mostly driven in New England. Combined both long trips 3000 miles or > more and city driving. > > > Since I was originally writing about Honda and Mitsubishi, I thought I'd > put [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > hasn't had any problems. It was built at the Bloomington-Normal, > > Illinois Mitsu plant. ==================================================================== Khalid Aziz Open Source and Linux Organization (970)898-9214 Hewlett-Packard khalid.aziz@hp.com Fort Collins, CO "The Linux kernel is subject to relentless development" - Alessandro Rubini As easy as it is to replace rotors, and caliper/pads, one can save a bundle of money. OEM Brembo rotors for the 2000 Maxima are $53 each, and excellent products. Just a thought . . . > As easy as it is to replace rotors, and caliper/pads, one can save a > bundle of money. OEM Brembo rotors for the 2000 Maxima are $53 each, > and excellent products. Just a thought . . . Yeah, that is true, but I would rather drive a car that does not need that to be done. My '94 Integra has 145K miles and is still on original rotors. My '00 Max has 48K miles and is already on second set of rotors which have been turned once already and from the sound of brakes, are glazed yet again and ready to be turned a second time. That is just too much maintenance for me to deal with. I am planning to replace my Max with an Acura TSX or Accord. ==================================================================== Khalid khalid AT gonehiking DOT org The Integra must use rather soft pad material to minimize wear on the rotors. Not having to replace rotors in 145K is very, very unusual in any vehicle. You should consider yourself very lucky indeed with the Integra. Brake maintenance and costs are quite minimal, as compared to potential engine mechanical problems. Brakes, and all associated parts, are deemed "wear and tear" items. A hundred bucks, or maybe two, is much less than the cost of a TSX or an Accord! |
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