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Car Forum / Honda Cars / February 2006

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leather versus cloth in lx-v6/ex-v6

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Drew - 31 Jan 2006 03:48 GMT
Just wanted to get anyone's feedback who would like to share regarding
preference for leather or cloth seats.  I'm going to go with either an
LX-V6 (cloth) or an EX-V6 (leather).

I know the EX-V6 now has heated front seats.  But I still hear
observations from some that leather can be very hot in summer and even
with seat heaters cool in winter (though I'd guess the heaters warm
that up quickly.)

Can anyone share if this was a problem for them or pros/cons for
leather and cloth?

Drew
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 31 Jan 2006 03:54 GMT
> I know the EX-V6 now has heated front seats.  But I still hear
> observations from some that leather can be very hot in summer and even
> with seat heaters cool in winter (though I'd guess the heaters warm
> that up quickly.)

No problems with leather here.

In fact, it didn't take long for me to realize a few years ago, after
buying my first leather couch, that I'm always going to have a leather
couch.
jim beam - 31 Jan 2006 04:34 GMT
> Just wanted to get anyone's feedback who would like to share regarding
> preference for leather or cloth seats.  I'm going to go with either an
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>
> Drew

do you drive hard?  of so, leather is not for you.  sliding around on
leather seats is both fatiguing and potentially dangerous.  besides,
"leather" seats are usually coated with a thin plastic layer to make
their initial appearance easy to maintain.  would you drive with a
plastic bag on your seats?  can't say i care to.
Dick - 31 Jan 2006 05:20 GMT
>Just wanted to get anyone's feedback who would like to share regarding
>preference for leather or cloth seats.  I'm going to go with either an
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>
>Drew

Personally, I would never own another vehicle without leather seats.
All of the furniture in our living room is also leather.  We hate it
when we get into someone else's car with cloth seats.  We find it
difficult to get in after being used to leather.

As far as heat and cold, we live in Arizona.  Doesn't get much hotter
than that.  And we drive in the snow country.  Leather may seem hot
when you first sit on it in hot weather, and cold in cold weather, but
it neutralizes within seconds so you don't feel it.  I can't say
enough about leather seats in automobiles.  Love 'em.

Dick
zonie - 31 Jan 2006 21:23 GMT
I agree with you Dick. We live in Phoenix, we have been through 2 summers
with our '04 Accord EX-L. , not hotter at all. We are sold on leather

 Scott
Art - 31 Jan 2006 14:57 GMT
All of our cars are leather for the last 12 years including a 2005 Accord
and 2006 Odyssey.  Most cloth seats in cars suck these days though Honda
cloth in the new civic seemed nice.  Once you get leather it is hard to go
back to cloth.  The minivan in particular has terrific leather seats.

> Just wanted to get anyone's feedback who would like to share regarding
> preference for leather or cloth seats.  I'm going to go with either an
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>
> Drew
Kenneth J. Harris - 31 Jan 2006 15:08 GMT
Both of our cars have leather seats--our AccordEXv6 with the heated
seats is great--comfortable, supportive and the heat works great.  We
have not found the leather to be that hot in the summer, and we will
order leather seats in both our cars from now on.

Ken

> Just wanted to get anyone's feedback who would like to share regarding
> preference for leather or cloth seats.  I'm going to go with either an
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>
> Drew
Lomax - 31 Jan 2006 22:33 GMT
We just bought a Pilot with leather, our first leather...and our first Pilot
as well.
So far the leather seats are nice and comfortable the heat is nice first
thing in the morning.

> Both of our cars have leather seats--our AccordEXv6 with the heated seats
> is great--comfortable, supportive and the heat works great.  We have not
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>> Drew
TWW - 01 Feb 2006 00:51 GMT
> Just wanted to get anyone's feedback who would like to share regarding
> preference for leather or cloth seats.  I'm going to go with either an
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>
> Drew

I think it really depends on the quality of the leather.  We had leather in
a Lexus RX300 and it was exceptional.and it was not a problem in summer
where we live in middle GA. On the other hand, the 93 Maxima I had years
ago, leather was sticky and hot.  The leather in the Hondas I have seen have
not been of the same quality, so I am somewhat ambivalent here.  My Prelude
has cloth -- the only way the car came in the U.S.  I have seen some
aftermarket leather installations (on Hondas -- Accord LXs) that were top
quality -- better than that found in the EX. I have seriously considered
this option for the Prelude which can cost anywhere from $1000  - $1500.
Nick - 01 Feb 2006 15:05 GMT
While everyone seems to favor leather, I'll be the one to favor against it.

I probably will never buy a car with leather for the fact that even with
maintenance and conditioning, there will still be cracks in the seats and won't
look like the day you got them. I wanted to buy a TSX but am not going to buy it
with leather. I've seen the condition of some leather seats that you probably
wouldn't sit in. I won't say cloth seats won't look the same as from day one,
but they will look a lot better in 10 years than leather seats (and with very
little maintenance).

Plus you have to be cautious of anything that may have a rough edge as it may
tear the leather.

Nick

>Just wanted to get anyone's feedback who would like to share regarding
>preference for leather or cloth seats.  I'm going to go with either an
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>
>Drew
Dick - 01 Feb 2006 15:25 GMT
I haven't had that experience.  There is a 1993 Jeep Grand Cherokee in
the garage that was purchased new in the fall of 1992.  Going on 14
years.  Leather looks great.  No cracks.  We sold a Mercedes 300E that
was 13 years old.  The leather still looked new!   Have never owned a
car with cloth seats that held up so well.  Same goes for the
furniture in our house.  We have couches that were purchased in 1986
that you could put in a furniture showroom and wouldn't be able to
tell them from new.  Have a Lazy-Boy recliner that is over 20 years
old and still looks great.  My vote is still for leather.

Dick

>While everyone seems to favor leather, I'll be the one to favor against it.
>
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>>Drew
Seth - 02 Feb 2006 02:06 GMT
And one of the biggest reason to have leather is if you have kids.  Nothing
cleans up better/quicker than leather.  Try getting baby formula out of
cloth.

>I haven't had that experience.  There is a 1993 Jeep Grand Cherokee in
> the garage that was purchased new in the fall of 1992.  Going on 14
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>>>Drew
Drew - 02 Feb 2006 13:30 GMT
Good point Seth.  Maybe that's another reason for possibly opting for
cloth.  No kids at the moment and not in the immediate future as a
single guy.  I definitely had heard other friends around the office
say that if you had kids, there's no option, you have to get leather!

>And one of the biggest reason to have leather is if you have kids.  Nothing
>cleans up better/quicker than leather.  Try getting baby formula out of
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>>>>
>>>>Drew
E Meyer - 01 Feb 2006 17:46 GMT
I think I agree with Nick.  I just took my driver's seat apart in the '00 TL
to replace the seat heaters and consequently have seen both sides of the
leather seat covers Honda is using.  The seat cover consists of a sheet of
foam rubber with the thinnest possible leather skin (I'm talking onion paper
thin) somehow bonded to it.  The leather is already showing signs of failure
in several places at under 70k miles.  This is cheap stuff.  If you do
decide to go with leather, stay away from the light beige/tan colors.  They
are absolutely impossible to keep clean.

Conversely, my old '96 Odyssey with cloth seats is still in service with one
of my daughters (and her three kids) and the seats still look like they did
the day I bought it.

On 2/1/06 9:05 AM, in article g6j1u11uv5fd3m0rnrk6ga5oa2cjr7qpca@4ax.com,

> While everyone seems to favor leather, I'll be the one to favor against it.
>
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>> Drew
Seth - 02 Feb 2006 02:04 GMT
> I think I agree with Nick.  I just took my driver's seat apart in the '00
> TL
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> They
> are absolutely impossible to keep clean.

I'll disagree with that.  My '01 Accord with 149,000 miles still looks good.
Just damp a sponge with warm soapy water and brush them down when cleaning
the car.
Art - 01 Feb 2006 19:26 GMT
Leather does need to be treated a couple of times a year.  I've kept cars
with leather 7 years and interior still pretty much like new.

> While everyone seems to favor leather, I'll be the one to favor against
> it.
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>>
>>Drew
TWW - 01 Feb 2006 21:47 GMT
> While everyone seems to favor leather, I'll be the one to favor against it.
>
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>
> Nick

Again -- the quality is the key. However, I also agree that leather takes
maintenance and special care to prevent cracks and other deterioration.

> >Just wanted to get anyone's feedback who would like to share regarding
> >preference for leather or cloth seats.  I'm going to go with either an
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> >
> >Drew
Howard Lester - 01 Feb 2006 22:36 GMT
> Again -- the quality is the key. However, I also agree that leather takes
> maintenance and special care to prevent cracks and other deterioration.

Perhaps keeping the car in a garage most of the day would help preserve it,
too.  ?
jim beam - 02 Feb 2006 04:31 GMT
>>Again -- the quality is the key. However, I also agree that leather takes
>>maintenance and special care to prevent cracks and other deterioration.
>
> Perhaps keeping the car in a garage most of the day would help preserve it,
> too.  ?

absolutely.  the plastic coating used on leather seats ends up cracking
when exposed to sunlight.  once that's cracked, the leather itself come
close behind.  if it's garaged however, the plastic continues to keep
the leather protected, stain free, etc.
Nick - 02 Feb 2006 13:10 GMT
Unfortunately, not everyone has a garage to keep their car in, which is another
reason to avoid leather. I only wish auto makers would offer cloth seats in
their luxury models as an option; or at least in their lower end models. I know
that the RSX does, but the TSX should as well as it's the low end sedan.  I'm
sure there are a lot of people (besides myself) that are not planning on
purchasing a luxury car for that reason.

Nick

>>>Again -- the quality is the key. However, I also agree that leather takes
>>>maintenance and special care to prevent cracks and other deterioration.
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>close behind.  if it's garaged however, the plastic continues to keep
>the leather protected, stain free, etc.
Drew - 02 Feb 2006 13:28 GMT
Nick:

This is sort of factoring into my decision.  I would like to get the
Accord EX with Navigation system but I can only do this by going with
leather.

And in the Acura TL which I was also considering, leather is standard
quipment with no choice.

Drew

>Unfortunately, not everyone has a garage to keep their car in, which is another
>reason to avoid leather. I only wish auto makers would offer cloth seats in
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>>close behind.  if it's garaged however, the plastic continues to keep
>>the leather protected, stain free, etc.
SoCalMike - 03 Feb 2006 03:06 GMT
> Unfortunately, not everyone has a garage to keep their car in, which is another
> reason to avoid leather. I only wish auto makers would offer cloth seats in
> their luxury models as an option; or at least in their lower end models. I know
> that the RSX does, but the TSX should as well as it's the low end sedan.  I'm
> sure there are a lot of people (besides myself) that are not planning on
> purchasing a luxury car for that reason.

if i was otherwise in lust with that particular car, id get seat covers.
Drew - 02 Feb 2006 13:27 GMT
>>>Again -- the quality is the key. However, I also agree that leather takes
>>>maintenance and special care to prevent cracks and other deterioration.
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>close behind.  if it's garaged however, the plastic continues to keep
>the leather protected, stain free, etc.

Maybe I should consider cloth then.  I am and will be living in an
apartment for the forseeable future where there's just a parking lot
and no garages.  Same thing at work.  So the car would be in sun
frequently.  I live in northwestern NC so the winters are way milder
than up north but it can get pretty toast in June, July, August.
Maybe I need to go with cloth?

Drew
jim beam - 02 Feb 2006 14:14 GMT
>>>>Again -- the quality is the key. However, I also agree that leather takes
>>>>maintenance and special care to prevent cracks and other deterioration.
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>
> Drew

cloth can suffer in sunlight too, but at least you can put seat covers
on it without it looking cheezy like covers on leather would be.  and
yes, it generally copes better.

it was interesting to note earlier in the thread that the prelude was
cloth seats as standard.  that's for performance.  leather is not good
when driving hard - sliding on the seats is /bad/!
 
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