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Car Forum / Honda Cars / February 2006Honda CRV quality?
I was talking to a woman last night. She was telling me that she heard that there is a large number of 2 year old CRV's at car lots, and her reasoning is that she believes that they fall apart in 2 years. I told her there are probably alot of used two year old CRV's because alot of people that had leases traded them in. Does anyone have any thoughts about CRV's as far as their quality? What she told me is the body integrity is poor, the seats are uncomfortable and the ride is harsh, but I have trouble believing this of a Honda. I have already owned 3 hondas and had good luck with all of them for the most part. I am planning on getting a CRV in two years, probably a 4WD brand new lease. Al > I was talking to a woman last night. So was I. It happened to be my wife, and I did the same thing tonight, shamefully I admit. > She was telling me that she heard > that there is a large number of 2 year old CRV's at car lots, She must be an expert, or clairvoyant! > and her > reasoning is that she believes that they fall apart in 2 years. Wow! She really IS an expert! She sees, therefore she knows! Wow! I wish I could do that. > I told > her there are probably alot of used two year old CRV's because alot of > people that had leases traded them in. Oh, you are too penetratingly shrewd for me. > Does anyone have any thoughts > about CRV's as far as their quality? What she told me is the body > integrity is poor, the seats are uncomfortable and the ride is harsh, > but I have trouble believing this of a Honda. Oh, me too. Really, I also have trouble with this. Yep. Really do. Yep. > I have already owned 3 > hondas and had good luck with all of them for the most part. I am > planning on getting a CRV in two years, probably a 4WD brand new lease. Hey, so am I. I figure I'll get at least the 4WD part, if not the lease part. Or maybe the good luck part. Something anyway.  SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >I was talking to a woman last night. She was telling me that she heard >that there is a large number of 2 year old CRV's at car lots, and her >reasoning is that she believes that they fall apart in 2 years. She's nuts. > I told >her there are probably alot of used two year old CRV's because alot of >people that had leases traded them in. Aren't most leases 36 months or longer? I would question whether there is really a larger than expected number of two-year-old CRVs on the lot. What statistics does she have to show this? > Does anyone have any thoughts >about CRV's as far as their quality? What she told me is the body >integrity is poor, the seats are uncomfortable and the ride is harsh, >but I have trouble believing this of a Honda. Well, I have to admit that it has been a while since I checked out the CRV, but a test drive should let you evaluate seat comfort and ride for yourself. > I have already owned 3 >hondas and had good luck with all of them for the most part. I am >planning on getting a CRV in two years, probably a 4WD brand new lease. CRV and RAV4 are at the top of this class. They compete pretty fiercely so either one should be a good car. > CRV and RAV4 are at the top of this class. They compete pretty > fiercely so either one should be a good car. so whatcha think about the "bigger" RAV? will the CRV stay "small"? >> CRV and RAV4 are at the top of this class. They compete pretty >> fiercely so either one should be a good car. > >so whatcha think about the "bigger" RAV? will the CRV stay "small"? I don't know what honda is going to do, but I know what I wish they would do. Keep the CRV at its current size and introduce a large station wagon with about the interior size of the G1 Odyssey. Make it low to the ground, sporty and easily reconfigurable to hold five passengers or 1 - 2 passengers and a lot of cargo. With the right styling, I think it could be a hit. >>>CRV and RAV4 are at the top of this class. They compete pretty >>>fiercely so either one should be a good car. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > passengers or 1 - 2 passengers and a lot of cargo. With the right > styling, I think it could be a hit. heretic. sell what they sell in europe? no, our domestic marketing droids that have killed the hatchback and the crx and the prelude will never allow that. i mean, detroit's been singing the song of "high gross margins for suv's" for over a decade, so the same [u.s. based] honda marketing idiots that follow slavishly every idiotic "initiative" that comes out of detroit, will never do it. example: detroit sells red rear turn signals, so, despite the fact that they're confusing and unsafe on any road other than a farm track with no other vehicles present, u.s. honda /has/ to follow. if any of you honda marketing morons are reading this, honda built a global world beater selling small, fast, economic, reliable, japanese-style [euro-style, actually] sedans. and have [/had] incredible customer loyalty. have any of you ever paid attention to that? what about listening to the customer rather than just the bleating of other sales idiots? do you know how many time's i've been approached by people wanting to buy my 89 civic hatch this last month? and the sales idiots say there's no demand for hatchbacks!!! ever tried to buy an old crx??? you'll be fighting off 20 other dudes waving the green stuff in the owner's face. but the sales idiots say there's "no demand". honda's marketing troubles are like mcdonalds bleating about slumping market share as they introduce salads, fish, and countless other b.s. garbage items to their menu. fact: mcdonalds built a global empire selling beefburgers and fries. because that's what people want!!! come to california some time and check out in-n-out burger. every single in-n-out is /packed/. all day long. and they have a 3-item menu!!! they're CRUSHING mickey d's. does it take a wall st. m.b.a. analysis genius to figure out a trend here? answer: do what you do well. and take initiative once in a while. don't dick about trying to follow trends because you'll never be the lead dog. [think "ridgeline". what genius came up with that? i'd love to meet that person.] you know what the view is of you're not the lead dog? "*", that's what. > I don't know what honda is going to do, but I know what I wish they > would do. Keep the CRV at its current size and introduce a large > station wagon with about the interior size of the G1 Odyssey. Make it > low to the ground, sporty and easily reconfigurable to hold five > passengers or 1 - 2 passengers and a lot of cargo. With the right > styling, I think it could be a hit. Well, it was called the Odyssey. That really was a station wagon, in reality. They still do it today, albeit larger; it's called the Odyssey. With swing-out doors and an enclosed cargo area (and a higher ride height), it's called the Pilot (MDX for Acura). With swing-out doors and an external cargo area, it's called the Ridgeline. Take your pick. They have it. They also do things in other countries that we don't see here. I think they do a standard wagon configuration like what you're looking for. >> I don't know what honda is going to do, but I know what I wish they >> would do. Keep the CRV at its current size and introduce a large [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Well, it was called the Odyssey. That really was a station wagon, in >reality. That is what I drive now. '98 Odyssey I bought in 2003 to replace my '92 Volvo 240 Wagon. Compared to Volvo, the Ody has a notch more cargo square footage, but it is less usable because it is less flat and more intruded upon by the wheel wells. It is also less convenient in that the center seats in the Ody have to be removed from the car to maximize cargo whereas the Volvo had folding seats. The Ody has better acceleration but the Volvo handled much better and certainly had room for a much bigger engine. The Volvo was also slightly narrower and shorter outside and had a tighter turning radius. It also had a manual transmission. If Honda took the concept of the 240 Wagon and updated it with better suspension, engine, etc., I think it would be a winner. I bet lots of people are looking for a vehicle with the utility of a SUV but with the fuel economy, size and handling of a car. >They still do it today, albeit larger; it's called the Odyssey. > >With swing-out doors and an enclosed cargo area (and a higher ride >height), it's called the Pilot (MDX for Acura). >With swing-out doors and an external cargo area, it's called the >Ridgeline. None of those will fit in my garage and they are too big and clumsy anyway. External cargo area doesn't strike me as particularly practical for most users. Certainly not for me. >Take your pick. They have it. > >They also do things in other countries that we don't see here. I think >they do a standard wagon configuration like what you're looking for. Sigh. Maybe they are right. Not enough demand for a practical, fun, large car in the US. >>> CRV and RAV4 are at the top of this class. They compete pretty >>> fiercely so either one should be a good car. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > passengers or 1 - 2 passengers and a lot of cargo. With the right > styling, I think it could be a hit. i saw a G1 odyssey the other day that looked like it had been lowered a tad, and/or had smaller diameter wheels/tires. looked really nice- more like a wagon than a van. The very first Odyssey was really small and had swing out doors. They used them as taxi's a bit in NY. Rattled like hell leaving the airport going into Manhatten. >>>> CRV and RAV4 are at the top of this class. They compete pretty >>>> fiercely so either one should be a good car. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > tad, and/or had smaller diameter wheels/tires. looked really nice- more > like a wagon than a van. well, i guess it depends upon the user of the 'wheels' (http://buycarwheels.com/) or the vehicle itself. and how can you tell about the life span of that crv, "2 years?" what have you done to that car? unless it's totally bumped and cracked. Signaturechester08 http://www.automotiveforums.com > I was talking to a woman last night. She was telling me that she heard > that there is a large number of 2 year old CRV's at car lots, and her > reasoning is that she believes that they fall apart in 2 years. I told > her there are probably alot of used two year old CRV's because alot of > people that had leases traded them in. Does anyone have any thoughts > about CRV's as far as their quality? I've driven several 50K mile CRVs of various years, and it seems that they do turn to relative "junk" status fairly quickly. They rattle and boom and wander down the road. I honestly think it's too large a car for the Civic chassis upon which it is built. >I was talking to a woman last night. She was telling me that she heard >that there is a large number of 2 year old CRV's at car lots, and her [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Al I've had my 1997 CRV for 9 years and 128 thousand miles (I tend to keep cars for a long time). Although it's needed its share of repairs along the way (the most serious being a head gasket replacement at 97K), it's had fewer problems than other cars I've owned. I've taken care to stick to the scheduled maintenance, and overall it's been the most troublefree and reliable car I've ever owned. I have no plans to get rid of it anytime soon. > I've taken care to stick to the scheduled maintenance, > and overall it's been the most troublefree and reliable car I've ever owned. The best way to evaluate this: in the last year of a model, go drive one new. Then hit the used lots and find one from the first year of that model, one that hasn't been beaten to death. If you do this with a CRV, you'll find that it doesn't hold up as well as an Accord, for example, in the same comparison. >> I've taken care to stick to the scheduled maintenance, >> and overall it's been the most troublefree and reliable car I've ever owned. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >If you do this with a CRV, you'll find that it doesn't hold up as well >as an Accord, for example, in the same comparison. An interesting test. It does have a flaw in that it ignores the effect of driver demographics. CRV drivers might be younger, more aggressive driving, less interested in maintenance, etc. than Accord drivers. They may trade more frequently so the car has had multiple owners. They may use them for hauling. As unlikely as it seems, some of the CRVs may even be driven off-road. Not saying that any of this is necessarily true, its just a possible complication. <<An interesting test. It does have a flaw in that it ignores the effect of driver demographics. CRV drivers might be younger, more aggressive driving, less interested in maintenance, etc. than Accord drivers. They may trade more frequently so the car has had multiple owners. They may use them for hauling. As unlikely as it seems, some of the CRVs may even be driven off-road. Not saying that any of this is necessarily true, its just a possible complication. >> Well I am still not sure if I want to go with another Accord EX or a CRV when my lease is up. I really love my accord, but just wanted something with 4WD. My accord ex-2005 is really comfortable and has alot of really nice comfort features. I wish the accord offered an all wheel drive option Al > Well I am still not sure if I want to go with another Accord EX or a > CRV when my lease is up. How about just keeping your current Accord? Isn't that an option? ><<An interesting test. It does have a flaw in that it ignores the >effect of driver demographics. CRV drivers might be younger, more [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Al Why do you want 4WD? For snow? Try an extra set of wheels and some first-rate snow tires like Nokians. If you live in a city, you will probably be more than happy. My GS-R with Nokians seems to go better than most SUVs when the snow is really nasty in Chicago. Then in the Summer you can run cheap high performance tires like Kumhos and the handling will be a lot better than with all season radials. > >If you do this with a CRV, you'll find that it doesn't hold up as well > >as an Accord, for example, in the same comparison. > > An interesting test. It does have a flaw in that it ignores the > effect of driver demographics. True. So drive a few of the used examples, then. > CRV drivers might be younger, more > aggressive driving, less interested in maintenance, etc. than Accord > drivers. They may trade more frequently so the car has had multiple > owners. They may use them for hauling. As unlikely as it seems, some > of the CRVs may even be driven off-road. Not saying that any of this > is necessarily true, its just a possible complication. Well, I threw the Accord in there as an example. Compare it to the RAV4 as well, since that's a direct market competitor. And do the same comparison with a Civic, the platform on which the CRV is built. You'll find that the Civic holds up better than the larger and heavier CRV--because that platform just doesn't have what it takes to do justice to the CRV long-term. Many people won't care, though, because they're dumping the car after three years. Or else they had the car from new for 8 years and don't realize how far it went downhill, since they experienced it slowly. But those who get into a 4 year old 50K mile CRV at the used car lot will realize that "gee, something's wrong here. This is a Honda?" What's with the 50K miles? My CRV @ 30K Miles drives better than new. Only complaint is the seat material is not up to snuff. And guess how many visits to a dealer or mechanic since new? none >> >If you do this with a CRV, you'll find that it doesn't hold up as well >> >as an Accord, for example, in the same comparison. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > But those who get into a 4 year old 50K mile CRV at the used car lot > will realize that "gee, something's wrong here. This is a Honda?" >I was talking to a woman last night. She was telling me that she heard >that there is a large number of 2 year old CRV's at car lots, and her [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Al I read the paper and check the lots fairly regularly and in my area there are never any that come up for sale. They are either kept forever, passed down within a family or sold by word of mouth, individual to individual. That said, I'm in the market and drove one at the dealership last week. I was a little concerned with the amount of vibration, almost like bad wheel balance caused vibration at a speed range of around 60-65 mph. Salesperson had no answer for this. Seems like I saw a recent thread on this newsgroup about this. I think I saw something about a redesign for 07 to trump the recent changes in the Rav 4. Or maybe I dreamed that. At any rate I may wait and see what happens there. Frank Hello, I've owned my CR-V for three years now, and I love it! The only problem I've had was with the on-board computer. The dealer replaced it with no problems! Other than regular oil changes and changing the cabin filters I've had no other issues! Nino Nospam! >I was talking to a woman last night. She was telling me that she heard > that there is a large number of 2 year old CRV's at car lots, and her [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Al I have a '98 CR-V and never had any major problems. Did have a issue with the windshield when it was new. And there were two annoying recalls. But no problems with engine or transmission. Still going strong with 120k miles. > I have a '98 CR-V and never had any major problems. Did have a issue > with the windshield when it was new. And there were two annoying > recalls. But no problems with engine or transmission. Still going > strong with 120k miles. I have a 2004 CRV-EX with 90K miles. That's right- 45K a year. Sad but true. No problems to speak of thus far. I just replaced a burned out tail light. I replaced the original tires at about 45K. I'm in Connecticut and we get some pretty good snows around 5 times a year, so I put Hydroedge (Michelin) on and I love em. Most of my mileage is highway. I had major services at the dealer at 30K, 60K and 90K, but I'm not sure this is money well spent. The car has had no problems, but I'm not sure if thats because of the car, the type of driving or the maintenance. I listen to Car Talk on NPR every week and everyone seems to be complaining baout their cars with far less milage and tons of prolems. Love that CRV! just bought a CR-V in Puerto Vallarta, Jalisco, Mexico, the dealer shifted seat 3 inches back for my long legs, when we were supposed to pick up the car the red light for failure of side air back wouldn´t turn off. This was A WEEK AGO (!), the car still is with the dealer, they obviously are unable to fix the problem. I urgently need e-mails of President of Mexican operation ( .................) of Chief Operating Officer for Regional Operations (Latin America) Mr. Tetsuo Iwamura (according to last annual report of HONDA) or other Customer Service institution of Honda, either in the US, hoping they will somehow lead me to their counterparts in Mexico or at the head office in Tokyo, Japan. Appreciate any help I can get PS the car if fully paid Horst You might want to visit your car, and look for the phone numbers to call in the manual. In the US you would ask for help from the district office from their 800 number. > just bought a CR-V in Puerto Vallarta, Jalisco, Mexico, > the dealer shifted seat 3 inches back for my long legs, when we were [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Horst |
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