> I was hoping the manual would help the O.P. to determine whether their
> tranny was a manual or automatic (both can 'pop' out of gear), and to
> check the level of fluid if it's an autobox. They could then follow the
> instructions and determine whether there is any fluid in the tranny (if
> it's an auto). Dry dipstick would be a helpful thing to know when
> troubleshooting. A tiny bit of 'history' would go a long way too.
> ATF-Z1 is around $6US/quart. A good reason to switch to Toyota which has
> a better, more reasonable choices on maintenance recommendations.
my moms scion xA, (1.5l, A/T) says the tranny fluid never needs to be
changed! ever!
and on top of that, the 1.5 uses a timing chain. go toyota!
jim beam - 30 Mar 2006 05:32 GMT
>> ATF-Z1 is around $6US/quart. A good reason to switch to Toyota which has
>> a better, more reasonable choices on maintenance recommendations.
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>
> and on top of that, the 1.5 uses a timing chain. go toyota!
finally, toyota gets into life limitation. the europeans got into that
in the 90's. detroit's never produced cars good enough for life
limitation to be a concern.
SoCalMike - 31 Mar 2006 02:13 GMT
>>> ATF-Z1 is around $6US/quart. A good reason to switch to Toyota which has
>>> a better, more reasonable choices on maintenance recommendations.
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> in the 90's. detroit's never produced cars good enough for life
> limitation to be a concern.
if i ever got a scion xA, id likely try replacing the fluid at 100k
anyway, with toyota fluid, of course.
jim beam - 31 Mar 2006 05:10 GMT
>>>> ATF-Z1 is around $6US/quart. A good reason to switch to Toyota which
>>>> has
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> if i ever got a scion xA, id likely try replacing the fluid at 100k
> anyway, with toyota fluid, of course.
if you can. bmw for instance don't even have a drain plug.
TeGGeR® - 31 Mar 2006 01:51 GMT
>> ATF-Z1 is around $6US/quart. A good reason to switch to Toyota which has
>> a better, more reasonable choices on maintenance recommendations.
>
> my moms scion xA, (1.5l, A/T) says the tranny fluid never needs to be
> changed! ever!
That's the new TW fluid (no dipstick), and it SHOULD be changed regularly
even though Toyota says you don't have to.
The Toyota techs I've read talking about this are very suspicious of this
"lifetime" fluid. It's still going to collect clutch particles and other
contaminants, and friction modifiers are still going to wear out.
I think this is going to be another fiasco like those ultra-long oil change
intervals.
To check or change the TW fluid, you need to get underneath as though it
were a manual tranny.
> and on top of that, the 1.5 uses a timing chain. go toyota!
AND valves with no rocker mechanism. The clearances last forever if you
change the oil regularly.

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