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Car Forum / Honda Cars / April 2006

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Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS)

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CIL - 08 Apr 2006 02:35 GMT
Any ideas why that Honda thought that tire pressure was so critical in a
2006 Pilot that they installed a monitoring system?

thanks in advance
TeGGeR® - 08 Apr 2006 02:56 GMT
> Any ideas why that Honda thought that tire pressure was so critical in a
> 2006 Pilot that they installed a monitoring system?

Because the US Federal EPA required it.

Your tax dollars at work.

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CIL - 08 Apr 2006 03:14 GMT
I would never have believed it.

After a little Google here is the link for more info.
http://www.citizen.org/autosafety/nhtsa/tread/tpms/

Thanks Tegger

>> Any ideas why that Honda thought that tire pressure was so critical in a
>> 2006 Pilot that they installed a monitoring system?
>
> Because the US Federal EPA required it.
>
> Your tax dollars at work.
Bucky - 09 Apr 2006 07:43 GMT
> I would never have believed it.
> After a little Google here is the link for more info.
> http://www.citizen.org/autosafety/nhtsa/tread/tpms/

Neither would I. I skimmed the article. So if I understood correctly,
the requirement is phasing in for 2006, and required for all new cars
by 2008?
CIL - 10 Apr 2006 00:56 GMT
The reason that I started this thread is that I own a  Pilot and the
indicator came on.  Local Honda dealer ran the diagnostics and the RF
portion of the sensor in the left front is bad.  He is ordering the part and
I asked the cost ($44) each.  Now have to remove wheel and break down the
tire, remove and replace unit and hopefully clear the fault.  Now when the
vehicle is out of warrantee does anyone believe that the average "Joe" will
pay this amount to get warned the tire may have less air pressure than the
specs call for.

I doubt it..
>> I would never have believed it.
>> After a little Google here is the link for more info.
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> the requirement is phasing in for 2006, and required for all new cars
> by 2008?
Mike Iglesias - 11 Apr 2006 00:38 GMT
>Neither would I. I skimmed the article. So if I understood correctly,
>the requirement is phasing in for 2006, and required for all new cars
>by 2008?

Honda started doing this on the 2005 Pilot.  The light goes on at 26psi
and goes off at 30psi.  Recommended air pressure is 32psi.

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eastwardbound2003@yahoo.com - 08 Apr 2006 08:39 GMT
THANK GOD!

FINNALLY!

Do ya'all realize how helpless I had felt on the freeways watching so
many cars, trucks, and SUVs with dangerously underinflated tires?  They
are isolated inside their steel cage so I can't exactly tell them.

One day a Full sized pick up truck passed me on the freeway and from my
drivers side window I saw the underinflated tire.  I stared at it in
horror.  A quarter mile down the freeway BOOM, the tire totally
separated leaving the truck on 3 tires and 1 rim.  Rubber bits and
pieces of debris scattered all over the lanes.

Another day on the same freeway a woman driving a Honda CRV had a flat
rear tire.  The rubber was still there but it was all heated up giving
off black smoke.  I honked my horn, I waved my arm to her and from 60
MPH she stopped dead in the tracks in the far right hand lane on a busy
freeway!  With windows rolled down I yelled to her that she had a flat.
She nodded and merged off of the freeway.  I continued on my way.

These are just two examples above of the many things that have
happened.

The truth is the average American motorist is a stupid idiot behind the
wheel and has not a clue about proper vehicle maintanance and how it
regards to highway safety.

A Tire pressure monitoring syste would have prevented all of the above
including thousands of highway deaths that are related to driving on
dangerously underinflated tires.

In one decade, if all of the cars on underinflated tires were on
properly inflated tires.  We would have saved enough crude OIL that it
would surpass the amount of oil reserved in the entire state of
Alaska!!!

East-
DervMan - 08 Apr 2006 14:24 GMT
[snip]

> A Tire pressure monitoring syste would have prevented all of the above
> including thousands of highway deaths that are related to driving on
> dangerously underinflated tires.

Maybe but there is still operator error or ignorance.

How many people continue to drive on with a big red light on their
dashboard?

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SoCalMike - 08 Apr 2006 16:45 GMT
> [snip]
>
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> How many people continue to drive on with a big red light on their
> dashboard?

in so cal, smog checks are required every 2 years. so thats about the
longest someone would be able to get away with it.
DervMan - 08 Apr 2006 21:09 GMT
>> [snip]
>>
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> in so cal, smog checks are required every 2 years. so thats about the
> longest someone would be able to get away with it.

Nooo, I meant, okay, picture the scene... when one is driving along and
suddenly this big red light pops up (anything - SRS, brake warning, engine
temperature).  How many people think, "ooh pretty red light" and ignore it.
Then break down a mile or two down the road. ;)

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butch burton - 09 Apr 2006 04:02 GMT
Wonder what this monitoring system costs - how would that cost compare
to having a better grade of tires for instance.  Yeah I am an on the
road sales rep and see lots of underinflated tires - when I can I try
and signal people to check their tires.  Exploding truck tires are my
nemesis - along with stuff falling off of trucks - like those 4 x 4
beams they use to sit their loads on.  Last year a snowmobile in a
carton fell off a truck in front of me - just managed to swerve and not
hit the thing - was at night - guy behind me was not so lucky.
DervMan - 09 Apr 2006 07:42 GMT
> Wonder what this monitoring system costs - how would that cost compare
> to having a better grade of tires for instance.

The best tyre in the world at half the pressure it should be is going to be
worse than a duff tyre at the proper pressure.

> Yeah I am an on the
> road sales rep and see lots of underinflated tires - when I can I try
> and signal people to check their tires.

I'm curious.  Do you have a bunch of cards that say, "get off the 'phone,"
"get your lights on," "your tyre is underinflated" and "your car is belching
burnt oil" with you? :p

> Exploding truck tires are my
> nemesis - along with stuff falling off of trucks - like those 4 x 4
> beams they use to sit their loads on.  Last year a snowmobile in a
> carton fell off a truck in front of me - just managed to swerve and not
> hit the thing - was at night - guy behind me was not so lucky.

That reads as though too many people were driving too close to the vehicle
in front.

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butch burton - 09 Apr 2006 18:26 GMT
That reads as though too many people were driving too close to the
vehicle
in front.

He was about a half mile ahead - my how you like to look for the
negative.  spend 30-40K on the road every year and you will see it all.
DervMan - 09 Apr 2006 20:13 GMT
> That reads as though too many people were driving too close to the
> vehicle
> in front.
>
> He was about a half mile ahead - my how you like to look for the
> negative.  spend 30-40K on the road every year and you will see it all.

You're making the assumption that I don't do a lot of miles, heh.  I've seen
a lot of stupidity on the roads, both in the UK and when I'm in the USA.
Almost all "accidents" as the British quaintly put it are caused by driver
error.

Anyway, I didn't mean to get you all defensive; sorry.  But surely you don't
mean it was half a mile in front?  I'm supposing you're on a freeway at the
maximum speed, which we'll assume is 75 'cos you were in California.  You'd
cover half a mile in twenty four seconds.  Twenty four seconds is a long
time to "just manage to swerve out of the way," yes?  A quarter mile, twelve
seconds, that's still a long time.

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CIL - 08 Apr 2006 15:54 GMT
I guess the question that I have is:

Should these that are unable to assume responsibility to maintain their
vehicle be allowed to drive on public roads?

and  I am sure that they will still be allowed to drive on them.  So why not
take the "safety issue" a step  further.
If the tires are under inflated and the indicator light comes on, give the
operator period of time, say 24 hours and if not corrected remove power from
the ignition.  Not while driving of course but when they attempt to restart.

What have  we created???

> THANK GOD!
>
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>
> East-
gmccx - 09 Apr 2006 14:28 GMT
> I guess the question that I have is:
>
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>
> What have  we created???

1984.
Sparky Spartacus - 08 Apr 2006 16:47 GMT
<snip>

> The truth is the average American motorist is a stupid idiot behind the
> wheel and has not a clue about proper vehicle maintanance and how it
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> including thousands of highway deaths that are related to driving on
> dangerously underinflated tires.

Flawed premise here - you're assuming the atupid idiot behind the wheel
would do something about a warning from the TPMS.
 
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