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Car Forum / Honda Cars / May 20062006 Civic Hybrid questions
Greetings, I'm currently waiting (for the second time) for a Civic Hybrid. I have two questions. 1) How can I find information about the Navigation system it includes and how does it compare to, say, the Pioneer AVIC-Z1 (which I have my eye on). Does it integrate well with the Civic environmental controls and so on that the factory NAVI features? Would the installers screw up the electrical system likely? I spoke with a Honda tech and he said it won't necessarily void the warranty but if there is an electrical problem on a wire that leads to the 3rd party NAV then they might not honor the fix under warranty (or even do anything about it if I paid them to, for that matter). 2) I am interested in having a sunroof installed. I can't live without it in my Tacoma. The salesman said it wouldn't effect mileage noticably. I'm wondering how it might effect the balance and such regarding safety and airbags and aerodynamics and so on. Anyone here have any information? Thanks, Shawn > 2) I am interested in having a sunroof installed. I can't live without it in > my Tacoma. The salesman said it wouldn't effect mileage noticably. I'm > wondering how it might effect the balance and such regarding safety and > airbags and aerodynamics and so on. Anyone here have any information? Tacoma gets an average 40+ inches of rain on 160 rainy days every year, when are you ever gonna use a sunroof??? --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0618-0, 05/02/2006 Tested on: 5/2/2006 11:19:42 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com >> 2) I am interested in having a sunroof installed. I can't live without it >> in my Tacoma. The salesman said it wouldn't effect mileage noticably. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Tacoma gets an average 40+ inches of rain on 160 rainy days every year, > when are you ever gonna use a sunroof??? Sorry, my Toyota Tacoma that I'm about to replace with my Civic Hybrid. Thanks, Shawn My wife has a 2005 Accord Hybrid with Navigation. It is fully integrated with radio and climate control. But when it is sunny it can be hard to see touch screen buttons. She got the navigation because that is all they had left on the lot and got a good deal on it. Otherwise I would not get Navigation feature unless I had a big need for it like being in real estate business. For one reason, Honda radios seem to be crappy and replacing it would be impossible with navigation system. With respect to sunroof, I wouldn't consider cutting a hole in the roof of my brand new car but that is just me. I never use them although most cars I've owned have had them. I like quiet climate control as I drive. > Greetings, > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Thanks, > Shawn > With respect to sunroof, I wouldn't consider cutting a hole in the roof of > my brand new car but that is just me. I never use them although most cars > I've owned have had them. I like quiet climate control as I drive. i really wish the car companies wouldnt treat vehicles like the fit, the xA/xB, yaris, etc as "penalty boxes" haveing a factory sunroof would be a nice option and selling point for me. as it stands, if i get an xA (which im leaning toward), im going to get a sunroof installed. it was only offered once, on a special edition. > With respect to sunroof, I wouldn't consider cutting a hole in the roof of > my brand new car but that is just me. the days of cheesy pop-open sunroofs is long gone. the new ones need to be installed by an authorised dealer, and some look really nice. Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference. http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html > Greetings, > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Thanks, > Shawn > Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer > Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference. I don't think the Consumer Reports test was of the 2006. The 2006 Civic can run electric-only in certain conditions, a change from my 2003 Civic. I don't dispute that Consumer Reports actually saw pathetic mileage, but I almost always think their tests are really convoluted. If this was deliberately a test of creeping around the city, the 2006 should do better, and the Ford Escape does very well, at 38mpg in a Ford test in Manhattan. That's not where I drive, though. My lowest mileage was 38.1, in December, 2003. I recall that I had the A/C on for defrost almost constantly, and I expect that, and a lot of cold start driving, is what contributed to that low reading.  Signature--- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5 >I don't dispute that Consumer Reports actually saw pathetic mileage, but I >almost always think their tests are really convoluted. Their city test consists of simulated city driving around their test track (with signs saying where to stop, what speed to go, etc.). Their city test almost always gets very poor fuel economy compared to the EPA number. It is rare for even small cars to get over 20mpg in their city test. >If this was deliberately a test of creeping around the city, the 2006 >should do better, and the Ford Escape does very well, at 38mpg in a Ford >test in Manhattan. That's not where I drive, though. Note that the EPA city test is supposedly a simulation of New York City driving, using acceleration and braking rates determined in the 1970s (remember that cars then were much poorer performers). Hybrids in such a test (and actual driving conditions like that, such as some types of traffic jams) should perform extremely well. Although, to be fair, if the hybrid's battery is at lower charge at the end of the test than at the beginning, somehow that must be accounted for (I don't know if the EPA does anything). Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------ Timothy J. Lee Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome. No warranty of any kind is provided with this message. >> Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer >> Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I don't dispute that Consumer Reports actually saw pathetic mileage, but I >almost always think their tests are really convoluted. I dont' know about convoluted but I do know that their city milage cycle is very harsh. CR city milage is what you might see in absolute worst case conditions. Consider these CR city milage ratings reported in the same issue: Civic EX manual 22 Civic EX auto 18 Jetta diesel auto 24 Jetta gas auto 17 Impreza auto 16 It is also worth mentioning the recent CR analysis that projected that both Prius and Civic Hybrid would reach the break-even point in less than 5 years. AFAIK, they are the first people to ever assert that. > Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer > Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference. > > http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html I have friends and family who regularily get 45-63 MPG in their 2006 Civic Hybrid. www.greenhybrid.com is full of people who routinely achieve 50+ MPG and people share their ideas how to achieve it because it takes a bit of "practice" but I think its worth it. Thanks, Shawn >>Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer >>Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > and people share their ideas how to achieve it because it takes a bit of > "practice" but I think its worth it. Remember that EPA tests don't measure the actual fuel consumption, they measure the emissions produced and calculate fuel consumption from that... and with earlier hybrids, those mehotds have yet been adjusted to properly account for the very different hybrid operation. They also use very controlled, standardized tests that don't necessarily match real-world driving conditions - in theory, a manufacturer could tweak a car's programming to produce better test readings. That said, even with pre-hybrid cars, mileage can vary widely depending on the individual drivers. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0618-2, 05/04/2006 Tested on: 5/4/2006 3:34:47 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com I just checked Consumer Reports online. In their review of the 2006 civic hybrid it got overall mileage of 37 mpg. The Accord hybrid got around 26 according to their tests but performs like a V8. My wife's 2005 Accord hybrid routine beats Consumer Reports figure in her crawl to work. > Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer > Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> Thanks, >> Shawn > I just checked Consumer Reports online. In their review of the 2006 civic > hybrid it got overall mileage of 37 mpg. The Accord hybrid got around 26 > according to their tests but performs like a V8. My wife's 2005 Accord > hybrid routine beats Consumer Reports figure in her crawl to work. Thus the origin of the term "YMMV" :) --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0618-3, 05/05/2006 Tested on: 5/7/2006 6:54:13 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com > I just checked Consumer Reports online. In their review of the 2006 civic > hybrid it got overall mileage of 37 mpg. The Accord hybrid got around 26 > according to their tests but performs like a V8. My wife's 2005 Accord > hybrid routine beats Consumer Reports figure in her crawl to work. That sucks. My 97 Civic HX averaged 36 MPG. It had a very simple engine with 117 HP and a better suspension too. It's a shame that the Civic has become so complex while gaining nothing more than new gizmos on the dashboard. > That sucks. My 97 Civic HX averaged 36 MPG. It had a very simple > engine with 117 HP and a better suspension too. It's a shame that the > Civic has become so complex while gaining nothing more than new gizmos > on the dashboard. The same can be said for most if not all new cars. > > That sucks. My 97 Civic HX averaged 36 MPG. It had a very simple > > engine with 117 HP and a better suspension too. It's a shame that the > > Civic has become so complex while gaining nothing more than new gizmos > > on the dashboard. > > The same can be said for most if not all new cars. Yeah, what's up with that? I was expecting cars to be much cooler today than they are. Milage, emissions, and reliability didn't improve between 1996 and 2006 anything like they did between 1986 and 1996. GPS and voice navigation is purely a dashboard unit so it doesn't count. All I see is that ABS computer control has been improved to handle traction control, though it's still mechanically as crude as it used to be. Honda and Toyota also need a good whack upside the head for making the ugliest, most boring looking Accords and Camrys to date. They're grey, shapeless ghosts. |
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