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Car Forum / Honda Cars / May 20062002 civic startup
I just bought a used 2002 4 door, automatic civic LX, low mileage and would like to know what might be a probable cause with starting the car. Anytime I try to start the car when it has been off for a good night, it will take at least 6 to 10 starter revs before the cars starts. However, if I restart the car a few minutes after or even after a few hours, the car starts normally within 2-3 starter revs. I thought that I might have a fuel issue that when the car has been sitting for the night, gas would go back into the tank and it would take a few starter revs before the gas came back to the engine. Is there something I should have checked. Fuel pressure regulator, leaks ??? I naturally asked the dealer about this and they just replied that was normal. Screw them, I know that 6-10 starter revs is too long for a car to start. I would live with that during the winter below freezing but not during this time of year. Any help or guidance would be appreciated > I naturally asked the dealer about this and they just replied that was > normal. Screw them, I know that 6-10 starter revs is too long for a car to > start. I would live with that during the winter below freezing but not > during this time of year. Any help or guidance would be appreciated try a bottle of injector cleaner in the tank. chevron techron or similar. id probably let it turn over 5revs (right before it catches), then pull the plugs and examine for extreme wetness or dryness. if it has 30k miles and the original plugs, id replace em. > I just bought a used 2002 4 door, automatic civic LX, low mileage and would > like to know what might be a probable cause with starting the car. Anytime I [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > start. I would live with that during the winter below freezing but not > during this time of year. Any help or guidance would be appreciated Are you waiting for the fuel to pressurize before engaging the starter? You should turn the key to the "run" position"; all the idiot lights come on, and you will here a slight "whirring" sound for 2-3 seconds. When the whirring stops (usually followed by the check engine lamp going out), turn the key to the cranking position. I think you'll find the engine catches on the 2nd-3rd crank. --Gene > I just bought a used 2002 4 door, automatic civic LX, low mileage and would > like to know what might be a probable cause with starting the car. Anytime I [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > start. I would live with that during the winter below freezing but not > during this time of year. Any help or guidance would be appreciated ------------------------------------------- It's flooding, like Mike said. The manual tells you how to get it to start faster. The cure is to clean out the dribbling injector, which the Techron will hopefully do. I used two tanks of Gasohol in my Odyssey and it cured the exact same problem. Overnight flooding. You'll notice it blows a puff of black smoke too, and might 'chug' a bit when it finally starts. The 6 cyl is less affected by this phenomenon but the 4 banger can be dead in the water if you don't know what the manual says about flooded Hondas. 'Curly' <SNIP> > I naturally asked the dealer about this and they just replied that was > normal. Screw them, I know that 6-10 starter revs is too long for a car to > start. I would live with that during the winter below freezing but not > during this time of year. Any help or guidance would be appreciated -------------------------------------------------- Oh yeah, your dealer is a Bozo too. That probably wasn't a mystery. The reason it takes several hours to show up: The fuel rail holds a few ounces of fuel at about 40 PSI of pressure. It can take all night for it to dribble out of one injector and then the fumes fill the whole intake, and sometimes the exhaust. That's why the manual is very explicit about how to start it in this condition. It also explains how to start a Honda at extreme low temperatures. A tiny percentage of the population could tell you what it says, even though it's true for most domestic cars / trucks as well. 'Curly' > I just bought a used 2002 4 door, automatic civic LX, low mileage and > would like to know what might be a probable cause with starting the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > but not during this time of year. Any help or guidance would be > appreciated Here's a tip: Turn the key to II (on), but NOT to III (start). Leave it like that for eight to ten seconds. Now turn it to III. Does this speed things up?  SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ I've had a honda dealer make do their "performance oil change" which consists in adding an injector cleaner. Anyhow, it cost me 90$ so I would presume that even though they are bozzos, they wouldn't rip me off . Any how, other than that, I've tried to put the key on the II position where the pump turns on. I've done that 3 times in a row to give the pump a chance to push the gas to the engine, but no change at all. It still take around 6-10 cranks. more like 8. I did notice however today that I started my car for the first time around 11am and thus the temperature was hotter than the 6 or 7am that I usually leave for work. And today it started maybe after 5 cranks. seemed better but still. it's 2-3 cranks generally another time during the day or evening Would it do harm to buy myself an other bottle of cleaner if the dealer actually already did that. (since I don't even know the dealer actually did add the cleaner !!!) My car has 67000km, and the manual says the spark plugs are good for something like 100000+km, is that true? should I actually change them or is the problem totally injector related >> I just bought a used 2002 4 door, automatic civic LX, low mileage and >> would like to know what might be a probable cause with starting the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > like that for eight to ten seconds. Now turn it to III. Does this speed > things up? It won't hurt anything to look at the spark plugs, if you are mechanically inclined. It would at least be interesting to see what a 67,000 mile spark plug looked like. It won't hurt to dump another container of parts store injector cleaner in the tank. Most of the stuff I have looked at appears to be just kerosene, anyway. If you really have a flawed injector, pump or valve leaking down, then all the cleaner in the world won't fix it. Earle > I've had a honda dealer make do their "performance oil change" which > consists in adding an injector cleaner. Anyhow, it cost me 90$ so I would [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > like that for eight to ten seconds. Now turn it to III. Does this speed > > things up? > Would it do harm to buy myself an other bottle of cleaner if the dealer > actually already did that. (since I don't even know the dealer actually did > add the cleaner !!!) worth a shot. > My car has 67000km, and the manual says the spark plugs are good for > something like 100000+km, is that true? should I actually change them or is > the problem totally injector related its always possible the plugs have been changed, but with the wrong brand. NGK or ND are the only 2 kinds recommended for hondas, AFAIK. > I've had a honda dealer make do their "performance oil change" which > consists in adding an injector cleaner. Anyhow, it cost me 90$ so I would > presume that even though they are bozzos, they wouldn't rip me off . Well, THAT is a mistake. > Any > how, other than that, I've tried to put the key on the II position where the > pump turns on. I've done that 3 times in a row to give the pump a chance to > push the gas to the engine, but no change at all. It still take around 6-10 > cranks. more like 8. DON'T try that again; you'll flood it. Turn the key, wait, then crank it. You might try the flood/cold start technique: hold the gas pedal down about 1/4 of the way; DO NOT pump it to the floor, or pump it at all; just hold it part way down while cranking. --Gene > I did notice however today that I started my car for > the first time around 11am and thus the temperature was hotter than the 6 or [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > like that for eight to ten seconds. Now turn it to III. Does this speed > > things up? I tried this method of pressing half way but I don't think my car liked that too much. This morning it kind of almost stalled or cough right before finally running. Any how, I'll try an other injector cleaner liquid and hopefully ameliorate the cranking time. And it's not easy to troubleshoot as I only have one chance each day and the hot temperature appear to influence slightly on the cranking time. Hotter temperature appear to facilitate the startup. Anyhow, if it doesn't get worst, I'll just leave it at that. the car runs fine otherwise. Thanks all for the replies. Really appreciate ;o) >> I've had a honda dealer make do their "performance oil change" which >> consists in adding an injector cleaner. Anyhow, it cost me 90$ so I would [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] >> > like that for eight to ten seconds. Now turn it to III. Does this speed >> > things up?
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