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Car Forum / Honda Cars / June 2006O2 sensor wiring question
I bought a generic O2 sensor for my 2000 Accord EX. The sensor heater wires are the same color, white on the old one, black on the new one. Is the heater circuit positive / negative sensitive? I installed it using the old connector and get an almost immediate CEL with P1162. Thanks. Jim  SignaturePull my chain to reply. > I bought a generic O2 sensor for my 2000 Accord EX. The sensor heater wires > are the same color, white on the old one, black on the new one. Is the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Jim Generic O2 sensors won't work. Bite the bullet and get an OEM part. > > I bought a generic O2 sensor for my 2000 Accord EX. The sensor heater wires > > are the same color, white on the old one, black on the new one. Is the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Generic O2 sensors won't work. Bite the bullet and get an OEM part. ----------------------------------------- There's a good info page here http://www.ngksparkplugs.ca/ There's also one at bosch.com, but DON'T buy their products. NTK's can be had (for my '00 CR-V) for under $100 CAN at NAPA. I thought Honda OEM's are NTK 'Curly' >> I bought a generic O2 sensor for my 2000 Accord EX. The sensor heater >> wires [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Generic O2 sensors won't work. Bite the bullet and get an OEM part. I didn't know that (obviously <sf>). Do you know why not? Just curious. I guess I'll head for the auto parts store in the morning, thanks. There is no such thing as a generic oxygen sensor that fits every car. For example, the Bosch "Universal" oxygen sensor is actually 12 distinct lines (maybe more now) of sensors matched to the specific vehicle application. People have run into problems installing a "universal" sensor for Nissan in a Honda as I searched on the topic. That's a no no. Bosch's universal line will provide detailed instruction on how to splice on the old connector with the Posi-Lok connector. Came across the catalyst efficiency code on an Accord that sometimes turns on the MIL and often stores its first tripping in memory when there was no MIL. Decided to change out the OEM Denso thimble sensor with a $89 Bosch planar sensor (OEM plug, not the universal one for $79). Code disappeared for two months now. So I wonder if it was the primary sensor all along. http://www.boschautoparts.com/Products/OxygenSensors Dump the Denso sensor at 60K miles I'd say (most cats reportedly go bad around 80K). Denso may be the source of the problem. NTK however came from the same company that makes NGK. Could be a better bet than Denso. But Bosch's new generation of planar sensors are excellent. On the web, the Bosch secondary sensor for the Accord with OEM plug looks like a thimble. But the universal line for the secondary looks like the new planar sensor (with vent holes only at the tip). If there is a need to change that secondary sensor I'll select the Bosch "universal" line specificly made for the Accord just to get the planar sensor. > >> I bought a generic O2 sensor for my 2000 Accord EX. The sensor heater > >> wires [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I guess I'll head for the auto parts store in the morning, thanks. I didn't mean to imply that there IS a generic that will fit every car. I meant I bought one for my Accord that didn't have the connector on it. Nonetheless, it doesn't work. So I bought a new Bosch sensor. It won't screw into the manifold... So back to Advance Auto Parts I go again. > There is no such thing as a generic oxygen sensor that fits every car. > For example, the Bosch "Universal" oxygen sensor is actually 12 [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >> >> I guess I'll head for the auto parts store in the morning, thanks. >I didn't mean to imply that there IS a generic that will >fit every car. I meant I bought one for my Accord that >didn't have the connector on it. > > Nonetheless, it doesn't work. So I bought a new Bosch > sensor. Like Misfit said, seriously consider OEM. Best prices I've found are at https://www.automedicsupply.com/ They ship quickly. I used them a couple of years ago and am very pleased with the OEM sensor they sold and shipped me. >>I didn't mean to imply that there IS a generic that will fit every car. I >>meant I bought one for my Accord that didn't have the connector on it. >> >> Nonetheless, it doesn't work. So I bought a new Bosch sensor. It doesn't work either and the pigtail is about 2-3" too short. > Like Misfit said, seriously consider OEM. Best prices I've found are at > https://www.automedicsupply.com/ > They ship quickly. I used them a couple of years ago and am very pleased > with the OEM sensor they sold and shipped me. Thanks but I'm gonna bite the bullet and go to Honda on Monday. I've read some discussion that the VTec F23A4 has some quirks that make it so that only a Honda sensor will work. We'll see if that fixes it. "Nasty" <nastymychain@tampabay.rr.com> wrote E >> Like Misfit said, seriously consider OEM. Best prices >> I've found are at [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > some quirks that make it so that only a Honda sensor will > work. We'll see if that fixes it. Sounds like you're in a hurry (understandable). But for future reference and the archives, the store above sells genuine Honda sensors. Denso is the OEM (or one of the OEM) oxygen sensor manufacturer(s) for Honda, for example, and that's what the site above sells. > "Nasty" <nastymychain@tampabay.rr.com> wrote > E [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > the OEM (or one of the OEM) oxygen sensor manufacturer(s) for Honda, for > example, and that's what the site above sells. I understand. But I've already bought two sensors that "the book" says will work in my car,,, and don't. I've been dicking around with this too long already and need to get it fixed. Thanks for the info though. I do appreciate it. <SNIP> > I understand. But I've already bought two sensors that "the book" says will > work in my car,,, and don't. I've been dicking around with this too long > already and need to get it fixed. ---------------------------------------------- Have you inspected all your engine and chassis ground lugs to be sure it's not a wiring issue? It can't heat up properly or give readings with out all connections working right. (including the ECU connections). 'Curly' Yeah. In that case just buy the Honda one and get it over with. Majestic sells it cheap (although not as cheap as some others posted). I just don't use Denso sensors, Showa shocks or Honda brake fluids (made by CCI). The Bosch planar oxygen sensor I help installed worked fine and appear to fix the cat efficiency problem after these months. I think Bosch sensors are the best in class. http://www.boschautoparts.com/Products/OxygenSensors/CeramicO2 As far as the "universal sensor" goes, it requires you to splice a segment of the old sensor wire, so you should actually have twice the length of the old sensor to work with! But you already spent twice. > I understand. But I've already bought two sensors that "the book" says will > work in my car,,, and don't. I've been dicking around with this too long > already and need to get it fixed. > > Thanks for the info though. I do appreciate it. > Yeah. In that case just buy the Honda one and get it over > with. > Majestic sells it cheap (although not as cheap as some > others posted). > I just don't use Denso sensors, The original OEM oxygen sensor that came out of my 1991 Civic was a Denso sensor (has the "ND" logo on it, which c. 1991 stood for "Nippon Denso," which today is just the "Denso" company). Chances are yours is a Denso too. > Yeah. In that case just buy the Honda one and get it over with. > Majestic sells it cheap (although not as cheap as some others posted). [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > to fix the cat efficiency problem after these months. I think Bosch > sensors are the best in class. but /why/??? what's your basis for evaluation? > http://www.boschautoparts.com/Products/OxygenSensors/CeramicO2 > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >>Thanks for the info though. I do appreciate it. >>> I didn't mean to imply that there IS a generic that will fit every car. I >>> meant I bought one for my Accord that didn't have the connector on it. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > some discussion that the VTec F23A4 has some quirks that make it so that > only a Honda sensor will work. We'll see if that fixes it. my 98 civic has an upper and a lower. the upper was $220 at the dealer, the bottom one was much more expensive. i dont regret buying new from the dealer, but only after my code scanner indicated which one was bad, and an ohm reading of it confirmed the diagnosis. all in all, it was a 10 minute job, even removing and replacing the heat shield on the manifold, so i could use a regular closed-end wrench on it. (I used F23A1 in the search, OEM-type-connector for F23A4 differs but same universal planar sensor. This may be your problem?) Does your new sensors look like: The Bosch "universal" sensor with Posi-Lok with which the old connector is spliced onto the new planar sensor ($74.99), for both upstream of downstrem: www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?mfrcode=BOS&mfrpartnumber=15733&parttype =291&ptset=A Or the Bosch OEM-connector planar sensor, upstream (primary) $89.99: www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?mfrcode=BOS&mfrpartnumber=13075&parttype =291&ptset=A Denso thimble sensor (IMO outdated technology) 36532-PAA-L02 is $45.79 on Rockauto.com. (Personally I'll stay away from Densos, but others may differ). > >I didn't mean to imply that there IS a generic that will > >fit every car. I meant I bought one for my Accord that [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > They ship quickly. I used them a couple of years ago and am > very pleased with the OEM sensor they sold and shipped me. > (I used F23A1 in the search, OEM-type-connector for F23A4 differs but > same universal planar sensor. This may be your problem?) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?mfrcode=BOS&mfrpartnumber=15733&parttype =291&ptset=A No. > Or the Bosch OEM-connector planar sensor, upstream (primary) $89.99: > > www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?mfrcode=BOS&mfrpartnumber=13075&parttype =291&ptset=A Yes. > (I used F23A1 in the search, OEM-type-connector for F23A4 differs but > same universal planar sensor. This may be your problem?) [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > on Rockauto.com. (Personally I'll stay away from Densos, but others may > differ). what's your problem with denso? be specific. my experience with bosch is that they're short-lived and have slow reaction times. my experience with denso otoh is exactly the opposite. and just so you know, there's a fundamental difference in operation between a zirconia sensor and a broadband [nernst] sensor - they're not interchangeable and you can't use that as a basis for criticism. >>>I didn't mean to imply that there IS a generic that will >>>fit every car. I meant I bought one for my Accord that [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>They ship quickly. I used them a couple of years ago and am >>very pleased with the OEM sensor they sold and shipped me. |
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