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Car Forum / Honda Cars / July 20062007 Accord Features?
Hi all, I have a 2005 Accord EX Sedan and I like it very much. This is my third Honda and I plan on staying with Honda for my life. I was noticing that Accord put out a few minor changes for 2006 from the 2005 model that I have. The 2006 changes seem to include 6 additional HP, slight body and wheel changes, LED tail lights, DRL's, and heated mirrors. I'd like to see what is going to take place in 2007. Some of the things I'd like to see are active head restraints, optional or standard stability control on the lower models just as the V6 has it. Possibly OnStar being offered. Does anyone have any ideas about what the 2007 model might have based on spy information or Honda news etc? Thanks, Al > I'd like to see what is going to take place in 2007. Some of the things > I'd like to see are active head restraints, optional or standard > stability control on the lower models just as the V6 has it. Possibly > OnStar being offered. Does anyone have any ideas about what the 2007 > model might have based on spy information or Honda news etc? 2007 will be the last year for the current design. The most you'll see is a Value Package, which pretty much gives LX features at a DX price. They traditionally do that in the last model year. The things you describe would not happen in 2007. 2008 at the earliest, with the new model, maybe. Maybe. But Honda has some weird ideas about the line between Honda and Acura models. In their minds, some things are Acura only, period--and end up that way for a long, long time. > The things you describe would not happen in 2007. 2008 at the earliest, > with the new model, maybe. Maybe. But Honda has some weird ideas about > the line between Honda and Acura models. In their minds, some things > are Acura only, period--and end up that way for a long, long time. Yes I noticed that about Honda not wanting certain things to cross over, such as the HID lights which would be great. Toyota Prius offers them, but Honda Civic Hybrid doesn't, go figure??! I think Honda is almost there as far as having total safety, but things like Stability Control and Active Head Restraints and OnStar would be the icing on the cake. Al >>The things you describe would not happen in 2007. 2008 at the earliest, >>with the new model, maybe. Maybe. But Honda has some weird ideas about [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Al what does onstar offer that a cell phone can't? >>>The things you describe would not happen in 2007. 2008 at the earliest, >>>with the new model, maybe. Maybe. But Honda has some weird ideas about [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >what does onstar offer that a cell phone can't? What kind of cell phone do you have that can unlock your doors from hundreds of miles away? Or report that your airbags have deployed in an accident? Or perform vehicle diagnostics? > What kind of cell phone do you have that can unlock your doors from > hundreds of miles away? Or report that your airbags have deployed in > an accident? Or perform vehicle diagnostics? OnStar would definitly be a welcome feature and since cars like Chevy have it, Honda would be doing a good service to offer it. > OnStar would definitly be a welcome feature and since cars like Chevy > have it, Honda would be doing a good service to offer it. But Chevy's NEED OnStar since they break down a lot more than Hondas. :-) > But Chevy's NEED OnStar since they break down a lot more than Hondas. :-) Any car would benefit from having OnStar. I went and added a roady xt, xm radio unit to my accord for a total instalation and product cost of 120.00. Thats a far cry from Hondas installed XM for 725.00. Thats another welcome addition that should be offered for a reasonable price. Other good additions would be the active head restraints, and stability control, maybe traction control offered on the 4 cyl models. Al >>But Chevy's NEED OnStar since they break down a lot more than Hondas. :-) > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Al holy carp, you should work for a detroit auto marketing consultancy. or maybe you already do. onstar is expensive, intrusive and unnecessary. and have you ever heard those onstar radio ads? sheesh, they're just criminal. a company using such material would not be above paying trolls to pollute usenet. >>>But Chevy's NEED OnStar since they break down a lot more than Hondas. >>>:-) [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > company using such material would not be above paying trolls to > pollute usenet. I know it's all well-intended and all, but I find it rather alarming that a car could "phone home" whenever it wants, tattling on you. I'd make a mention of Eric Arthur Blair's writings here, but I won't. You can, however, be 100% certain that GM would be 5,000 miles away from this stuff if they weren't being pushed towards it by government, tort, and the environut activists. When will Honda start doing this? I am so glad I have an ancient 1991 vehicle. Too bad the Ontario government is actively trying to push the old ones off the road. Bastards.  SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >>>>But Chevy's NEED OnStar since they break down a lot more than Hondas. >>>>:-) [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > I am so glad I have an ancient 1991 vehicle. Too bad the Ontario government > is actively trying to push the old ones off the road. Bastards. i don't see an environut angle to this, but there sure are a lot of law enforcement conveniences. ecu data retention is bad enough, but coupled with gps? big brother indeed. but that said, the /really/ crazy thing is getting you to pay /twice/ for all this stuff. onstar is basically a cell phone with a couple of adornments. since i already have a cell phone, why do i need to pay for a second one? because i lost my key? because i break down? because i can't remember where i parked my car??? that's what aaa is for [and for a /lot/ less money]. assuming non-senility that is. and regarding law enforcement, it's already possible to track location to within a couple of hundred meters on a non-gps cell phone, and worse, it's already possible to give you a speeding ticket using your cell phone too. it was tried in one of the scandanavian countries for a while. norway or sweden? i forget which. unsurprisingly, it proved to be very unpopular so it's been quietly disregarded, but imagine the possibilities for enforcement zealots over here... i know there was a scandanavian bank robber intercepted because he was seen using a cell phone while robbing a bank. his call was id'd and he was tracked & intercepted on the freeway. yes, he got a speeding ticket, iirc. and just to take all this lunacy a step further, you could also issue speeding tickets based on the time elapsed between gas station refills. you know the distance between them and you know the time between transactions... the french used to do something like this on toll roads between toll booths. you had to take a ticket, and hand your ticket in on the way out. if you arrived at the second toll station "too soon", you'd be fined on the spot. :( license plate readers on the freeway? that's being done in the uk. the whole thing's all rather scary. > but that said, the /really/ crazy thing is getting you to pay /twice/ > for all this stuff. onstar is basically a cell phone with a couple of > adornments. since i already have a cell phone, why do i need to pay for > a second one? because i lost my key? because i break down? because i > can't remember where i parked my car??? how hard would it be for an automaker to do some kinda bluetooth thing with the SRS computer, so it sends a signal for your personal cellphone to dial 911? >> but that said, the /really/ crazy thing is getting you to pay /twice/ >> for all this stuff. onstar is basically a cell phone with a couple of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > with the SRS computer, so it sends a signal for your personal cellphone > to dial 911? absolute piece of cake. as a consumer you'd pay through the nose of course, but built-in, in quantity, it would be less than $10 a piece. <snip> > and just to take all this lunacy a step further, you could also issue > speeding tickets based on the time elapsed between gas station refills. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > on the way out. if you arrived at the second toll station "too soon", > you'd be fined on the spot. :( NJ used to do this on the Turnpike in the 50's-60's until someone challenged it and the court told them to cease & desist. If you don't have a 5th Amendment (against self incrimination), you're probably out of luck. Fot tech types, the NJTP used Univac computers at the time which used the 90 column punched card with round holes. They disappeared decades ago. Now EZPass is the way to go and it creates a record of every toll you pay. > You can, however, be 100% certain that GM would be 5,000 miles away from > this stuff if they weren't being pushed towards it by government, tort, and > the environut activists. GM owns onstar. they want everyone to sign up for their silly "service". they get paid when people do. >> You can, however, be 100% certain that GM would be 5,000 miles away >> from this stuff if they weren't being pushed towards it by government, >> tort, and the environut activists. > > GM owns onstar. they want everyone to sign up for their silly "service". > they get paid when people do. which kinda makes me think of potential for lobbying dollars at work. but that would never happen... <snip> > I know it's all well-intended and all, but I find it rather alarming that a > car could "phone home" whenever it wants, tattling on you. This is considered malware/spyware when it's on our computers. How can we know all that's being sent and what about after a couple of software updates? > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > we know all that's being sent and what about after a couple of software > updates? and we have a winner folks! sparky gets the grand prize! > > <snip> > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > and we have a winner folks! sparky gets the grand prize! While I have reservations re. OnStar and similar services as expressed above the inevitability of these "services" in all vehicles is reality. >>><snip> >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > While I have reservations re. OnStar and similar services as expressed > above the inevitability of these "services" in all vehicles is reality. so you're inevitably willing to accept paying a monthly operations subscription in order to drive your car? because that's the next logical step. and built-in obsolescence? how much 10 or 20 year old software do you run on your pc? no dude, this whole thing is way bigger and more scary than you're admitting. bottom line, it's not inevitable by any means if you don't buy it and endorse its use. it's not [at this point] compulsory and will fail in the market place if it's not supported. > >>><snip> > >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > subscription in order to drive your car? because that's the next > logical step. pay for radio? nah, radio is free! When "properly" packaged and marketed the American public will buy anything. Just my derivative of H.L. Menchen's "No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." Watch for insurance companies to give discounts to people with OnStar and similar services. Perhaps that is already the case, I don't know. Thanks for the comments everyone. I am not really a big fan of OnStar, just like that it adds safety to the vehicle along with other safety features. About the HID system...I don't find the lights annoying if they are REAL HID and not the fake high beam type that blind everyone. Also I only keep my cars for 3 years and then lease a new one, so worrying about the HID warrenty wouldnt be an issue for me. Al > Also I only keep my cars for 3 years and then lease a new one, Which is pretty damned stupid, no matter what. >>Also I only keep my cars for 3 years and then lease a new one, > > Which is pretty damned stupid, no matter what. depends on your tax status. if you're self employed, you get to write off 100% of the lease payments - that's a major disincentive to buy. unless it's a hummer - there's a special dispensation for those. > > Which is pretty damned stupid, no matter what. > > > depends on your tax status. if you're self employed, you get to write > off 100% of the lease payments - that's a major disincentive to buy. > unless it's a hummer - there's a special dispensation for those. No, the reason I lease is so I can have a monthly payment for an accord ex with all the options with no down payment for the amount of a Civic lx with a down payment. I like all the creature comforts and the big car feel of an accord with the payments of a civic, and this way I can get all of that. Also I get bored easily so this way I can get a new car every 3 years with full warenty and then trade it in and get another brand new car, maybe something else this time, maybe a CRV, then maybe a Pilot... Some people spend alot of money on jewelry, furniture, clothes, and vacations...I spend it on cars. > > > Which is pretty damned stupid, no matter what. > > > > > depends on your tax status. if you're self employed, you get to write > > off 100% of the lease payments - that's a major disincentive to buy. > > unless it's a hummer - there's a special dispensation for those. Oh one more thing, I think leasing seems to be popular in certain geographical areas. For instance, I am in the North East of the US and it seems like everyone in my area, no matter who they are seems to lease cars. I am on my 4th leased car, and personally I like it alot. You need to have good credit and be at least 25 years old to get a lease, but I think its a good deal. >> > > Which is pretty damned stupid, no matter what. >> > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >You need to have good credit and be at least 25 years old to get a >lease, but I think its a good deal. If you think of a car as an appliance, like a toaster or a washing machine, leasing often makes sense. If you intend to modify the car, then it's better to own it. When you lease a car, they expect to get it back just like you first got it, less wear and tear. They don't want to see special exhaust systems, manifolds, turbo-chargers, modified suspensions, etc. >>>>> Which is pretty damned stupid, no matter what. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > want to see special exhaust systems, manifolds, turbo-chargers, > modified suspensions, etc. i paid the $6000 residual to keep mine. 5 years later i sold it for $5500. so for those 5 years i drove for "free". i got reamed the 3 years before that, though... IMO. id never lease again. > No, the reason I lease is so I can have a monthly payment for an accord > ex with all the options with no down payment for the amount of a Civic > lx with a down payment. For the rest of your life. >> No, the reason I lease is so I can have a monthly payment for an accord >> ex with all the options with no down payment for the amount of a Civic >> lx with a down payment. > > For the rest of your life. for people that treat cars as fashion accessories and always want a warranty, a 3 year lease makes sense. i try to pick something i know im going to like, take care of it, then sell it when i feel like it. > for people that treat cars as fashion accessories and always want a > warranty, a 3 year lease makes sense. > > i try to pick something i know im going to like, take care of it, then > sell it when i feel like it. No matter which car I own or lease I tend to get bored with it after 3 years. I don't modify cars other than adding xm to it, but thats easy to take out. I usually lease the car with dealer options for what I would have customized like fog lights, chrome tip etc. Yes you have the payments for the rest of your life, but you also never have any car repairs that you have to pay for. You never get stuck on the highway in the rain at rush hour because the transmission failed, or the tie rods broke. And you never miss time out of work for repairs, have to open a new credit card to pay for a 5000 transmission and get a car rental. You always have a brand new car with all the new features and you can look great in front of your friends...okay a little trivial, but I think its better spent than some things. For me a car is a fasion accessory, it has to be new, shiny and stylish and up to date. >Yes you have the payments for the rest of your life, but you also never >have any car repairs that you have to pay for. You never get stuck on [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >and you can look great in front of your friends...okay a little >trivial, but I think its better spent than some things. That problem is you are not maintaining your car. Otherwise you wouldn't have to worry about all of those forseeable mechanical issues. A little preventive maintenance goes a long way to having a reliable car. -------------- Alex > Yes you have the payments for the rest of your life, but you also never > have any car repairs that you have to pay for. You never get stuck on > the highway in the rain at rush hour because the transmission failed, > or the tie rods broke. And you never miss time out of work for repairs, > have to open a new credit card to pay for a 5000 transmission and get a > car rental. Hmmmmm....I don't have those issues with my 94 Lexus, either. that's why I buy Toyota and Honda--so I don't have those issues, period. So far, so good. Never been stranded--and that's with 10 and 12 year old cars, too. As for time off work--my Honda shop is open until midnight, and so I have them do preventive maintenance after work. So tell us: with a leased car, you do no preventive maintenance? You don't take your car to the shop, EVER? > You always have a brand new car with all the new features > and you can look great in front of your friends... psssst: I always look great in front of my friends no matter what. You can wear your $30,000 jewelry, but that won't make you look great. People may tell you it does, but those are shallow people who would tell you anything. Looking great ain't about the car. > Hmmmmm....I don't have those issues with my 94 Lexus, either. Your very lucky to have a car that old with no repairs. Most cars need a starter, new tires, brakes, exhaust system, an alternater, battery and tune up at 5 years. Then at around 90k miles you have to do the timing belt...etc etc. > that's why I buy Toyota and Honda--so I don't have those issues, period. > So far, so good. Never been stranded--and that's with 10 and 12 year > old cars, too. As for time off work--my Honda shop is open until > midnight, and so I have them do preventive maintenance after work. Things can still go wrong and its still a hassle to deal with. My Honda shop closes at 5pm weekdays and at 12pm on saturday. I don't know any that close that late where I live. > So tell us: with a leased car, you do no preventive maintenance? You > don't take your car to the shop, EVER? All I do is change the oil and filter every 4,000 miles and add fuel injector cleaner every 5000 miles or so. The dealer tells you about 15k mile tune ups and 30k tune ups, but I just change the oil and then turn it in at the end of 3 years. Most people only change the oil at most. The Honda places will tell you that all their customers do all the maintainance, but thats a bunch of bolony. If you were keeping the car maybe but not if your trading it in every 3 years. > Looking great ain't about the car. Well thats true, but I just like new and trendy up to date car, its just what I like. Al > > Hmmmmm....I don't have those issues with my 94 Lexus, either. > > Your very lucky to have a car that old with no repairs. I have repairs, but nothing that strands me. And it's not just one old car, but it's several. Hondas and Toyotas. I figure I pay about $1000/year in repairs, in addition to regular maintenance (which has to be done on any car, new or old, leased or owned). That's $83/month. The other $400/month that I'm not paying for a new car payment/lease payment is mine to do with whatever I please. >>>Which is pretty damned stupid, no matter what. >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Some people spend alot of money on jewelry, furniture, clothes, and > vacations...I spend it on cars. Hey, it's your money, so why not? >No, the reason I lease is so I can have a monthly payment for an accord >ex with all the options with no down payment for the amount of a Civic [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Some people spend alot of money on jewelry, furniture, clothes, and >vacations...I spend it on cars. Sounds like you know where your money is going. Some leasers don't understand that. They think it makes good financial sense to lease. -------------- Alex >> <snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> > and we have a winner folks! sparky gets the grand prize! Thanks, JB! >I know it's all well-intended and all, but I find it rather alarming that a >car could "phone home" whenever it wants, tattling on you. I'd make a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I am so glad I have an ancient 1991 vehicle. Too bad the Ontario government >is actively trying to push the old ones off the road. Bastards. Cell phones don't work without an antenna. Antenna's break all the time. Problem fixed. ------------ Alex >>>The things you describe would not happen in 2007. 2008 at the earliest, >>>with the new model, maybe. Maybe. But Honda has some weird ideas about [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> > what does onstar offer that a cell phone can't? Automatically calls emergency services if the air bags deploy and they can't speak to you. >>>>The things you describe would not happen in 2007. 2008 at the earliest, >>>>with the new model, maybe. Maybe. But Honda has some weird ideas about [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Automatically calls emergency services if the air bags deploy and they can't > speak to you. Too bad OnStar can't call the cops when your airbags are being stolen. the HID lights which would be great. Toyota Prius offers > them, but Honda Civic Hybrid doesn't, go figure??! HID is not entirely reliable. If it were, then Honda Care's extended warranty would cover it (in Acuras). It doesn't. As much as an Acura owner would scream about a $900 HID light replacement, can you imagine how a CIvic/Accord owner would act? I've heard that HIDs are a high theft item because of their high cost. Also, my 2004 Accord has very good headlights or maybe my old *&%@!!! Intrepid's were so bad that anything looks good in comparison. Why would you want HIDs anyway, or is it to just look cool and annoy the people in front of and coming at you? > the HID lights which would be great. Toyota Prius offers >> them, but Honda Civic Hybrid doesn't, go figure??! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > As much as an Acura owner would scream about a $900 HID light > replacement, can you imagine how a CIvic/Accord owner would act? |
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