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Car Forum / Honda Cars / August 2006

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93 del sol si clutch noise

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93 sol si - 08 Aug 2006 17:15 GMT
Hi all,
i've search high and low through tons of forums and newsgroups but
haven't found a good answer to my dilemma.  There's this noise that
sounds like crushing aluminum cans coming from the engine bay whenever
i step on the clutch and release it while pressing the gas pedal.  This
happens when i upshift and downshift. The noise goes away after the
clutch engages and the car seems to drive fine.

Here's a quick chronology to my clutch noise problem that started about
two weeks ago.

Day 1:  Clutch wouldn't engage when i release the clutch pedal.  After
a few seconds, it finally engaged and i heard a loud "clunk".  I have a
very short drive home from work, so this only happened once.  This
happened from 1st to 2nd gear.  I only need to go up to 4th gear going
home from work.

Day 2:  Same thing happens, but more often, again, on the drive home,
and in the low gears (1st, 2nd and 3rd).  (I don't know if it matters,
but this was in the middle of that heat wave we just had in California.

Day 3:  Checked the clutch master cylinder reservoir and found it to be
low, so i topped it off to the max level. This didn't help.  At this
point i didn't know i needed to bleed the hydraulic clutch lines yet.
(Before this I didn't even know there was a clutch cylinder reservoir
to check the level.)  I then took it on the freeway to do a quick
errand and it did a few "clunks" in the low gears.  But when i got home
and pulled into my driveway it started to make that notorious aluminum
can crunching noise when i pressed the clutch pedal and eased off while
pressing the gas pedal.

Day 4:  Now i'm thinking my clutch is going bad and i wanted it
replaced.  Called a free-lance mechanic who agreed to replace the
clutch for $300 in my garage.  But when he came, he did a diagnostic
and said clutch is fine, that I need to replace the master and slave
cylinders.  he just started the car and changed through the gears
without driving it!  I wanted him to test drive it but he said that he
didn't need to.  I'm thinking, great, i'll save loads of money by
replacing the parts myself.

Day 5: I ordered new parts and replaced the master and slave cylinders
and bled the clutch.  Old parts i took out were cruddy and just about
dead.
         Tested the clutch and the metallic aluminum can crunching
sound is still there when the clutch pedal was pressed and gears were
in Reverse and 1st, and i eased the gas pedal to move the car.  So i
left it alone.

Waited a couple of days and just read more forums, but can't really
pinpoint a solution to this problem.  The only thing that comes close
to the problem points is the slave rod's ball joint needing some
grease.  but i'm thinking the sound that occurs when i depress the
clutch pedal is too noisy to be fixed this easily.

BTW, i did check the movement of the slave cylinder and it moves about
an inch, so this rules out any question about the slave cylinder's
operation.

This morning i took it for a quick drive around the parking lot where i
live and the sound is still there.  I only took it up to 3rd gear
because i didn't want to go too far and it's a small parking lot.  good
news is that from 1st to 2nd to 3rd gear, there were no clunking noises
as i mentioned above.  I only heard the aluminum can crunching noise
whenever the clutch pedal was depressed. You would be able to hear the
noise if you were in a car next to mine.  Other than that, the car is
driving fine, but i left it at home just in case.

I plan to stop by the local auto parts store after work to get some
grease for the slave cylinder ball joint.

Questions:
Would adding grease solve this problem?
What kind of grease should i get?
Do you think i need to try bleeding the clutch again?  (i already did
it three times thoroughly.)
Would it cause more damage if i drive it?
Thanks in advance for your help.
speedy - 11 Aug 2006 03:52 GMT
Your throwout bearing is trashed.

With all the work involved typically repalcing all clutch components at
once is a good idea.

-SP

> Hi all,
> i've search high and low through tons of forums and newsgroups but
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> Would it cause more damage if i drive it?
> Thanks in advance for your help.
93 sol si - 12 Aug 2006 15:20 GMT
Thanks Speedy.  This confirms that i need to replace the clutch, which
is what i'm eight having someone do it or do it myself.

Any tips on clutch replacement is appreciated.
Specifically, does the engine need to be hoisted?  If so, do i have to
get a hoist or is there a way around that, such as making my own hoist
or any other methods?

Thanks!.

> Your throwout bearing is trashed.
>
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> > Would it cause more damage if i drive it?
> > Thanks in advance for your help.
 
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