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Car Forum / Honda Cars / August 2006dipstick tube
I'm right in the middle of changing the timing belt on my daughter's 98 Civic (VTEC). The job is going pretty well as I did my 95 Civic's timing belt this past spring. I'm trying to not destroy the oil dipstick tube which must be removed on the 98 to be able to remove the lower timing belt cover. I have removed the clip that holds the tube against the motor, but it does not want to come out of the bottom of the engine. It's also kind of wedged into the side of the timing belt cover. I have the factory book for the 95, but only a Haynes Book for the 98. On page 2A-11 it says: remove the dickstick tube from the front of the engine? Any hints or help with this would be greatly appreciated. > I'm right in the middle of changing the timing belt on my daughter's > 98 Civic (VTEC). The job is going pretty well as I did my 95 Civic's [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the 98. On page 2A-11 it says: remove the dickstick tube from the > front of the engine? This is odd. I have the Honda manual for the '98. There is absolutely no mention of the oil dipstick tube at all in the procedure for removing the lower timing belt cover, and I have not personally encountered any Honda model that required this. Are you quite certain that the lower cover will not budge with the dipstick tube in place? I highly suspect your (gag) Haynes is highly incorrect.  SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ Thanks Tegger, I will remove the upper motor mount in the AM. It's possible (I guess) that the oil dipstick tube does not need to be removed. Many thanks. When I did the t-belt on my 98, I removed the dipstick tube. It interfered with something. Didn't have any problems getting it out, unclip and pull. t >Thanks Tegger, I will remove the upper motor mount in the AM. It's >possible (I guess) that the oil dipstick tube does not need to be removed. >Many thanks. > I'm right in the middle of changing the timing belt on my daughter's 98 > Civic (VTEC). The job is going pretty well as I did my 95 Civic's timing [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > remove the dickstick tube from the front of the engine? > Any hints or help with this would be greatly appreciated. ------------------------------- I had to remove it when I did the TB on my '95 Odyssey. Could be the author of the Haynes book is mistaken. 'Curly' Looks to me like the dipstick tube has to come out. I can't budge the lower timing cover, even with the upper motor mount removed. The tube is almost completely notched into the front corner of the the lower timing belt cover with a bolt behind it that I am slowly working out. I will try a little PB Blaster where it goes into the engine. That tube is really stuck tight. The notched cut out where the tube fits in the corner of the cover is keeping me from wiggeling the tube more than a sixteenth of an inch. Curley, how much of a pull did it take for you to remove your dipstick tube? I'm afraid of crushing the tube if I try to clamp on it with anything. Anyone out there ever pulled a dipstick tube on a 96 - 2000 Civic EX to get the lower timing cover off? I may be missing something here? Any assistance in this matter is VERY greatly appreciated. > Looks to me like the dipstick tube has to come out. I > can't budge the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > greatly > appreciated. Honda-tech.com has the following report on removing the dipstick on a 98 CR-V: " it's pressed in. back and forth motion will get it out" "grab the dipstick with a pair of vise grips at the bottom wrapped in a rag and turn left and right while lifting up. this will usually do the trick." Other reports at honda-tech indicate the tube does seem to pop out on its own fairly often, supporting the contention that it is just "pressed in." http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=220571 (Registration, if needed, is free. I have had no email spam problems with this site.) Elle, what can I say except, thanks a lot. Now, back to the mission. Thanks for all your time and effort guys. The close quarters where the tube goes in the block is keeping me from being able to try to twist much. So far, the tube has not moved at all. If I pulled the AC compressor and mount, I would have some breathing room. The tube (about half way to the top) has a lip where it's deeply imbedded in the corner of the lower timing cover. So I can't twist it or lift it. Twisting at the top and bottom is restricted (I think) because the tube has a slight bend to it. I suspect the lip on the plastic timing cover and the lip on the tube right next to each other ensures that the tube will not exit the engine. And there are 2 timing cover bolts behind the tube. One is removed and I going to try to get the second one out. That way the lower cover may shift just enough to be able to work out the oil fill tube? This is very likely not a big problem, once you have done one. I'm trying not to break anything here. The good news is I have the car thru next Sat. So I do have a little breathing room. Again, thanks for all the help. It seems that the 91-93 Accords (among other Honda models) require removal of the dipstick tube during a TB replacement. See for example http://media.honda.co.uk/car/owner/media/manuals/AccordManual/400/5-36.pdf Step 10 says to "Remove the dipstick and pipe." The instructions direct the technician to replace the dipstick tube O-ring. The archives support this for this Accord and IIRC some other models. The site below likewise also appears to include an excerpt from a factory service manual for a VTEC Civic and also directs the technician to remove the dipstick tube: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060805191339AAkfsKJ Autozone's free online manual ("just" a Chilton's/Haynes) for this year Accord also directs removal of the dipstick tube: http://autozone.com/servlet/UiBroker?ForwardPage=/az/cds/en_us/0900823d/80/0c/f7 /06/0900823d800cf706.jsp Unfortunately Autozone does not have the manual for a 98 Civic. Seems like this may be unique to Honda VTECs. For the record, Chilton's these days often contains excerpts from the factory service manuals. I have noticed that very old Chilton's, printed in the 1980s say, tend to be generic and were not very good. But the Chilton's printed more recently are very detailed. I disagree that today's Chilton's are useless. > Autozone's free online manual ("just" a Chilton's/Haynes) > for this year Accord also directs removal of the dipstick > tube: > > Seems like this may be unique to Honda VTECs. Which I've never worked on, hence my ignorance. SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote >> Autozone's free online manual ("just" a Chilton's/Haynes) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Which I've never worked on, hence my ignorance. I thought the Ebsco site ("Auto Repair Reference Center" cited at your FAQ site) said some interesting things on this. The 98 Civic's "timing belt cover and seal" section direct only that the accessory belts and crankshaft pulley be removed to remove the lower cover. By contrast, the "timing belt and sprockets" section says to "remove all necessary components to gain access to the cylinder head and timing belt covers." Of course, with any manual, there is some reading between the lines that is necessary for the layperson. Removing the dipstick tube might be implied above. On the VTEC's, that's just my guess based on the paper chase behind my remarks. I can't tell much from the online parts drawings of the dipstick tube, other than the bottom of the tube does seem to be cramped in there, as duckbill pointed out. It's out...I think the PB Blaster helped. I got it to turn slightly from down below. And then it was able to be wiggled quite a lot from the top. Then it took a small pair of vice grips clamped to the bottom of the tube hit upwards with a small hammer and it broke free and twisted out. It looks like a strong tube. Many thanks for all the support and advice. Way to persist! PB Blaster does totally rock. I will keep an eye peeled for how the rest of the TB job goes. > It's out...I think the PB Blaster helped. I got it to > turn slightly from [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > looks like a strong tube. Many thanks for all the support > and advice. Well Elle, the new O ring was never stocked by one Honda Dealer and the second one carried just one for the dipstick tube. That tells me changing them is not a big priority. It should be; my old one was severely deformed. I almost had a perfect match using an AC O ring. I thought it was perfect until I got the new Honda one which is a little bit fatter. Part # 91302-GE0-000. Cheers. > Well Elle, the new O ring was never stocked by one Honda > Dealer and the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > little bit fatter. > Part # 91302-GE0-000. Cheers. Seemed like the archives had a fair number of reports of the dipstick tube lower joint leaking, too. (Typically folks suggested JB Weld? Not sure if every model has the O-ring.) Elle, thanks again for all the help, your the best! For how tight the dipstick tube was, I thought it was pressed in. But such was not the case. When I re-installed the tube with a new Honda O ring, with oil on it; it just fell right in; no effort required. The old O ring was what was holding the tube in. Hard for me to believe? Interesting. Good info for the archives. > Elle, thanks again for all the help, your the best! For > how tight the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ring was what > was holding the tube in. Hard for me to believe? |
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