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Car Forum / Honda Cars / April 2007broken timing belt=valve damage?
My 1987 Accord LX (with carburetor) had a timing belt failure. Is it possible to know if my valves and pistons are trashed without disassembling the engine? I didn't hear any loud catastrophic sounding noises when it failed. It just stopped running. When you get the new timing belt back on, try to rotate the engine. Engine damage is usually obvious at that point. If it rotates okay, do a cylinder compression test. If that's okay, all is well. > My 1987 Accord LX (with carburetor) had a timing belt failure. Is it > possible to know if my valves and pistons are trashed without > disassembling the engine? I didn't hear any loud catastrophic sounding > noises when it failed. It just stopped running. > My 1987 Accord LX (with carburetor) had a timing belt failure. Is it > possible to know if my valves and pistons are trashed without > disassembling the engine? I didn't hear any loud catastrophic sounding > noises when it failed. It just stopped running. -------------------------------- Take off the valve cover, set the pistons at half-mast, Turn the cam(s) over by hand in order to check the valve clearances. If any are super-excessive on any valves, they are the bent ones. You don't want to bay a timing belt you may not need (disposable engine). :-( 'Curly' You're fine! The 86-89 Accord engines were one of the last(if not THE last) which WERE NOT interference type. How do I know? Because the timing belt on my '88 Accord LX sedan snapped in '01 while cruising along at 60 mph. I immediately thought the engine was toast but I learned later that I got extremely lucky. I ordered the parts and it's been running fine for the past 5+ years. If you don't believe me then ask the guys at Matta Motors. They've been Honda specialists for the past 25 years and really know their stuff. www.mattamotors.com gates.com says the only non-interference engines from 1973 to the present are the 3.2L Honda Passports. > You're fine! The 86-89 Accord engines were one of the > last(if not THE last) > which WERE NOT interference type. "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:VLJVh.23232 $PL.20318@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net: >> You're fine! The 86-89 Accord engines were one of the >> last(if not THE last) >> which WERE NOT interference type. > > gates.com says the only non-interference engines from 1973 > to the present are the 3.2L Honda Passports. Which are actually Isuzu engines...  SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > You're fine! The 86-89 Accord engines were one of the last(if not THE last) > which WERE NOT interference type. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > www.mattamotors.com This is the answer I was really hoping for. Thanks to everybody who replied. I was cruising on the highway at about 65 when it broke. The battery light didn't turn on at first because the transmission was still turning the engine for about 10 seconds until I put it in neutral. Looks like I don't really have a big problem after all. >> You're fine! The 86-89 Accord engines were one of the last(if not THE last) >> which WERE NOT interference type. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >the engine for about 10 seconds until I put it in neutral. Looks like I >don't really have a big problem after all. Robert, Mine did the same thing. No sound...the engine just stopped. I was always under the impression that the 86-89 Accords, like all Hondas, had interference type engines so my heart sank when I pulled off the upper timing belt cover and learned that it had snapped. The next day I logged onto the Matta Motors site to discover that I was wrong. I wanted further confirmation so I called them and talked to Jim or Dan(the Matta brothers). They assured me that the engine was fine so I just needed to slap on a new belt and tensioner pulley. They were right! I was going around 60 mph and the engine didn't suffer any damage. That was almost six years ago...the car still runs like a champ. > Robert, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Matta brothers). They assured me that the engine was fine so I just needed to > slap on a new belt and tensioner pulley. So, a new tensioner is recommended as well? I took the timing belt cover off, detached the engine mount, and removed the power steering belt. I got into it just enough to realize that I wasn't feeling motivated to work on a car yesterday afternoon. I'm planning to leap into action Saturday morning. It looks like I need a new camshaft seal. Is this the kind of seal where you remove the shaft and put in two halves while it's out, or is it the kind where you take off the gear and press a round seal into place from the outside? Also, where is the timing mark on the gear? All I see is one spoke that says "UP". Do you have any other words of wisdom for me about this project? Robert, I've never had to replace any of my seals(at least not the cam or crank seals) so I can't help you there. I DO recommend replacing the tensioner pulley as they usually start to wear at the end of the timing belt's life. You might as do it while you have everything apart. It's usually not absolutely necessary but it's cheap insurance. I should warn you about holding the crankcase pulley stationary. On the 86-89 Accords it's kinda a PITA. You may need to buy a strap wrench or you could drill two holes in the crankcase pulley and then connect a long rod to it with some nuts an bolts. Good Luck. Let us know how it turns out. | Is it | possible to know if my valves and pistons are trashed without | disassembling the engine? insert an endoscope into s-plugs' holes & see on tv / mntr |
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