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Elmo P. Shagnasty - 05 May 2007 18:29 GMT
Even if it has something like Honda's Immobilizer system:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.08/carkey.html

> Then I heard about another possibility. Earl Hyser, the
> superintendant of State Farm Insurance¹s Vehicle Research
> Facility, told me that some transponder-equipped cars came
> with a secret ³cheat² code designed to allow people who lose
> their keys to drive back to the shop. I asked the SFPD about
> it and was referred to Ken Montes, famous in Bay Area street
> racing circles for a souped-up 1992 Honda Civic he built as
> part of a tuner team called the Benen Brothers. The SFPD
> told me the team called the car Spanky, which instantly made
> me feel a certain kinship.
>
> I went to see Montes at his custom motor-cycle shop about a
> half hour south of San Francisco and asked him how someone
> could have stolen my car. He just laughed. ³If I want to
> take your Civic, I¹ll do it in 10 seconds,² he said. Then he
> confirmed Hyser¹s story. The mythical Honda override exists:
> It¹s a series of presses and pulls of the emergency brake.
> Each car, it seems, has a unique override code, which
> correlates to the VIN.
>
> ³You want to get yours?² Montes asked.
>
> Sure, I said.
>
> He called an acquaintance who worked at a Honda dealership.
> I listened, awestruck, as Montes fed the guy a barely
> credible story about a cousin who had dropped his keys down
> a sewer. The dealership employee was at home but evidently
> could access the Honda database online. I gave Honky¹s VIN
> to Montes, who passed it along to his friend. We soon had
> the prescribed sequence of pulls, which I scribbled down in
> my notebook.
>
> I walked outside and approached Honky. The door lock would
> have been easy ­ a thief would have used a jiggle key, and a
> stranded motorist would have had a locksmith cut a fresh
> one. I just wrapped the grip of my key in tinfoil to jam the
> transponder. The key still fit, but it no longer started the
> car.
>
> Then I grabbed the emergency brake handle between the front
> seats and performed the specific series of pumps,
> interspersed with rotations of the ignition between the On
> and Start positions. After my second attempt, Honky¹s hybrid
> engine awoke with its customary whisper.
>
> I had just jacked my own car.
jim beam - 05 May 2007 18:48 GMT
> Even if it has something like Honda's Immobilizer system:
>
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
>>
>> I had just jacked my own car.

yeah dude, no problem.  most everything has a back door.  that bios
you're using in your p.c. right now.  where was it made?  is it backdoored?

http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/30/1344211

seriously, most security is completely defeatable, either by accident or
design.  all it does is deter casual thieves that haven't learned the
tricks.  yet.
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 05 May 2007 19:40 GMT
> yeah dude, no problem.  most everything has a back door.  that bios
> you're using in your p.c. right now.  where was it made?  is it backdoored?

Ummm.....the personal computer I'm using right now doesn't have a bios.
jim beam - 05 May 2007 20:41 GMT
>> yeah dude, no problem.  most everything has a back door.  that bios
>> you're using in your p.c. right now.  where was it made?  is it backdoored?
>
> Ummm.....the personal computer I'm using right now doesn't have a bios.

yes it does.  it's the flash memory system that configures and checks
the hardware before it loads the operating system.  no bios, no boot.
z - 09 May 2007 19:13 GMT
> > In article <a82dnXKtJvv2XqHbnZ2dnUVZ_sGqn...@speakeasy.net>,
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> yes it does.  it's the flash memory system that configures and checks
> the hardware before it loads the operating system.  no bios, no boot.

Ha, I load the boot program by hand every time with switches on the
front panel, just like in 1960s movies, and lots of lights flash. Then
the big 6 foot tape drives start going around.
Tegger - 05 May 2007 20:46 GMT
>> yeah dude, no problem.  most everything has a back door.  that bios
>> you're using in your p.c. right now.  where was it made?  is it
>> backdoored?
>
> Ummm.....the personal computer I'm using right now doesn't have a
> bios.

I see you're using a PowerPC running Mac OS-X. You have "Boot ROM" instead,
don't you?

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Elmo P. Shagnasty - 05 May 2007 21:42 GMT
> I see you're using a PowerPC running Mac OS-X. You have "Boot ROM" instead,
> don't you?

On this one, yes.
Grumpy AuContraire - 06 May 2007 00:02 GMT
>>I see you're using a PowerPC running Mac OS-X. You have "Boot ROM" instead,
>>don't you?
>
> On this one, yes.

Ditto here.

JT

(Still cruisin' the net on an ancient G4 Gigabit)
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 06 May 2007 00:37 GMT
In article
<V18%h.422185$5j1.377265@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,

> >>I see you're using a PowerPC running Mac OS-X. You have "Boot ROM" instead,
> >>don't you?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> (Still cruisin' the net on an ancient G4 Gigabit)

HA!  Gotcha beat.  This old Sawtooth I'm on is like Grandpa's axe.  So
far the only thing that hasn't been replaced or upgraded is the case and
motherboard.  New power supply, new fan, new video card, upgraded
processor, new hard drive, new optical drive...Sawtooth rocks.
jmattis@attglobal.net - 06 May 2007 01:24 GMT
> In article
> <V18%h.422185$5j1.377...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> motherboard.  New power supply, new fan, new video card, upgraded
> processor, new hard drive, new optical drive...Sawtooth rocks.

Maybe got you both beat.  As my fairly new Dell is cranking out some
video edits right now, I'm cruising on a CyberMax PC from 1997.  Over
the years, upgraded bios (!), fan, processor, memory, video card,
burner, scuzzy-card for the scanner (fast!), NIC card (finally pulled
out the dead-weight Robotics modem 2 weeks ago), power supply, CMOS
batteries, hard drives at various (inconvenient) times.  Nothing
original except the case and motherboard, AND the manufacturer has
been out of business for 6 years.  Hooked up to it is a Mita DP-560
printer that Kyocera never even wrote XP drivers for.  Yes, it's
running 98SE, and is virtually virus-proof since it is not a target.
I've had to use it twice to download fixes for the Dell, which runs
XP.

Oh, and, if they want to steal a car, they'll do anything necessary.
Even throw it in the back of a truck with a forklift.
Grumpy AuContraire - 06 May 2007 06:24 GMT
>>In article
>><V18%h.422185$5j1.377...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> Oh, and, if they want to steal a car, they'll do anything necessary.
> Even throw it in the back of a truck with a forklift.

Bzzzzzzzzzt!!!

This competition is closed to microsquish peecees...

JT
Grumpy AuContraire - 06 May 2007 06:23 GMT
> In article
> <V18%h.422185$5j1.377265@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> motherboard.  New power supply, new fan, new video card, upgraded
> processor, new hard drive, new optical drive...Sawtooth rocks.

Not sooooooo fast thar' podner...  My G4 Gigabit was purchased new in
2001, (just as Apple had a losing quarter and was changing over to the
Digital Graphics), at a "firesale" price of $1,200.  I bought this thing
out of one paycheck when I was implementing a project and did a 70 hour
work week.  Anyway, I added a SCSI card for my old slide scanner and
have since put in bigger hard drives, (120 & 160 Gb).  Running 512Mb RAM
and did put in the later CD/DVD rear/write Pioneer thingie.

Then, there is the $30 dual 500 that I bought a couple of years ago with
a supposedly bad PS.  I'm about to fire it up as a server that will run
my two printers, a very ancient 12/640PS LaserWriter and an Epson Photo
1200.

The last Apple is the G3 iBook 466 clamshell which suffices just fine
when I travel.

Now, I could go into the three Power Computing machines and associated
junk (that are destined for eBay once the dual is cookin').

<G>

JT
jmattis@attglobal.net - 07 May 2007 01:53 GMT
I apologize.  I didn't realize...    You don't have a favorite old
pet, you have a menagerie of crippled machinery and strays.

Call 1-800-DUALCORE before it's too late !!

8 ^ )
Grumpy AuContraire - 06 May 2007 00:00 GMT
>>yeah dude, no problem.  most everything has a back door.  that bios
>>you're using in your p.c. right now.  where was it made?  is it backdoored?
>
> Ummm.....the personal computer I'm using right now doesn't have a bios.

...as doesn't mine.

JT
Sparky Spartacus - 08 May 2007 20:05 GMT
>> yeah dude, no problem.  most everything has a back door.  that bios
>> you're using in your p.c. right now.  where was it made?  is it backdoored?
>
> Ummm.....the personal computer I'm using right now doesn't have a bios.

The one in your head doesn't count.  ;)
z - 09 May 2007 19:11 GMT
> > Even if it has something like Honda's Immobilizer system:
>
[quoted text clipped - 56 lines]
> design.  all it does is deter casual thieves that haven't learned the
> tricks.  yet.-

duh, if it didn't have a security backdoor, how would they repossess
it when you don't make the payments?
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 09 May 2007 22:23 GMT
> duh, if it didn't have a security backdoor, how would they repossess
> it when you don't make the payments?

Doofus, the repo guy doesn't have the code.

He dollies it away with a tow truck.
Tegger - 09 May 2007 22:38 GMT
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in news:elmop-
60677A.17230909052007@nntp1.usenetserver.com:

>> duh, if it didn't have a security backdoor, how would they repossess
>> it when you don't make the payments?
>
> Doofus, the repo guy doesn't have the code.
>
> He dollies it away with a tow truck.

Ever seen an actual repo? Up and gone in less than a minute. Cool to watch.
They don't even make an attempt at getting inside the car.

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z - 10 May 2007 17:11 GMT
> In article <1178734299.878823.320...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> He dollies it away with a tow truck.

Hye, I saw the actual movie Repo Man, so i must know.
Samson - 13 May 2007 01:05 GMT
>>> Then I grabbed the emergency brake handle between the front
>>> seats and performed the specific series of pumps,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>>>
>>> I had just jacked my own car.

Is this an urban myth?
jim beam - 13 May 2007 01:30 GMT
>>>> Then I grabbed the emergency brake handle between the front
>>>> seats and performed the specific series of pumps,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Is this an urban myth?    

i originally suspected this, but no.  there's locksmith sites out there
that detail how to drive the car home without having to program a
replacement key's chip - and they explain exactly this procedure.
stories were on slashdot a while back if you want to google.
Tegger - 05 May 2007 20:37 GMT
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in news:elmop-
60C6B2.13292005052007@nntp1.usenetserver.com:

> Even if it has something like Honda's Immobilizer system:
>
> http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.08/carkey.html

This is covered in the September '99 issue of Honda Service News.

The important things are that you need the 4 or 5 digit "brake code" (which
only the dealer can get), plus you need a key that fits your lock, which
means you also need to know the key code if you haven't got the real key.

Yes, the author "jacked" his own car, but it would be awfully difficult for
a thief to duplicate this feat, since he'd not only need the brake code,
but the correct key.

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