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Car Forum / Honda Cars / May 2007At Honda, nothing goes to waste (Asahi.com)
In looking at alternative fuels, nothing goes to waste when Honda Motor Co. gets involved. The automaker is hard at work trying to produce bioethanol from rice straw and other inedible waste, a welcome development given that food prices are rising as demand grows for biofuel material. === Just one of Today's Top 10 Consumer News Stories: http://www.ng2000.com/fw.php?tp=honda > In looking at alternative fuels, nothing goes to waste when Honda Motor Co. gets involved. The automaker is hard at work trying to produce bioethanol from rice straw and other inedible waste, a welcome development given that food prices are rising as demand grows for biofuel material. go away you spamming idiot. and biofuels take more energy to produce than they yield - their production is simply political masturbation. >> In looking at alternative fuels, nothing goes to waste when Honda Motor >> Co. gets involved. The automaker is hard at work trying to produce [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > go away you spamming idiot. and biofuels take more energy to produce > than they yield - their production is simply political masturbation. Currently, this is true. It is misleading to throw the baby out with the bathwater, though. As processes are refined, and production is increased, efficiency will follow. It is also true that ethanol yields lower energy than petrol in current engines, including "Flex Fuel" vehicles. But, again, engineering can fix that through several changes, to make the fuel more viable, if it is determined that we are to use it. IMO, the best solution to the "Energy Crisis" is to simply install more Nuclear Power plants in the country, moving our power source for electricity completely away from fossil fuels. Once that happens, the current supply of fossil fuels will last us a very long time, and our emissions would drop through the floor. But the green windbags are not interested in solutions, they are interested in having a political cause... >>> In looking at alternative fuels, nothing goes to waste when Honda Motor >>> Co. gets involved. The automaker is hard at work trying to produce [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > But the green windbags are not interested in solutions, they are interested > in having a political cause... before we do any of that, see the light about our suv addiction. $7 gas would fix the problem most effectively. > before we do any of that, see the light about our suv addiction. $7 gas > would fix the problem most effectively. Not really, and that's the point. Our use of gasoline for automobiles is just a small percentage of the oil we consume, and the emissions we put in the air. Take care of the significant issues as above, and the SUV's don't make a dent. >> before we do any of that, see the light about our suv addiction. $7 gas >> would fix the problem most effectively. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the air. Take care of the significant issues as above, and the SUV's don't > make a dent. they most /definitely/ make a dent relative to passenger cars. see: http://www.bts.gov/publications/national_transportation_statistics/index.html notably: http://www.bts.gov/publications/national_transportation_statistics/html/table_au tomobile_profile.html "passenger cars" average 12,375 miles per year vs. 11,114 for "other 2-axle 4-wheel vehicles". cars consume average 541 gallons per year vs. 686 for the "o24v". from 2000 to 2005, mpgs changed interestingly too. car mpg's went from 21.9 to 22.9 while "o24v" went from 17.4 to 16.2! you could go on and on with these stats, but the bottom line is that suv's consume more. a lot more. personally, i think national security overrides so-called "personal freedom" to waste fuel on these things. >>> before we do any of that, see the light about our suv addiction. $7 gas >>> would fix the problem most effectively. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > see: http://www.bts.gov/publications/national_transportation_statistics/index.html > notably: http://www.bts.gov/publications/national_transportation_statistics/html/table_au tomobile_profile.html > "passenger cars" average 12,375 miles per year vs. 11,114 for "other > 2-axle 4-wheel vehicles". [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > suv's consume more. a lot more. personally, i think national security > overrides so-called "personal freedom" to waste fuel on these things. But they do NOT make a dent relative to overall oil usage, which was the point. >>>> before we do any of that, see the light about our suv addiction. $7 gas >>>> would fix the problem most effectively. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > But they do NOT make a dent relative to overall oil usage, which was the > point. eh? yes they do. transportation consumes 67.5% of all petroleum usage. http://www.bts.gov/publications/national_transportation_statistics/html/table_04 _03.html and of that, cars & suv's exceed all other transportation modes by a considerable margin. http://www.bts.gov/publications/national_transportation_statistics/html/table_04 _05.html even worse, suv consumption has grown consistently year on year. car consumption is relatively flat in comparison. where are you getting your data from? >>>>> before we do any of that, see the light about our suv addiction. $7 >>>>> gas [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>> >>> see: http://www.bts.gov/publications/national_transportation_statistics/index.html >>> notably: http://www.bts.gov/publications/national_transportation_statistics/html/table_au tomobile_profile.html >>> "passenger cars" average 12,375 miles per year vs. 11,114 for "other >>> 2-axle 4-wheel vehicles". [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> > eh? yes they do. transportation consumes 67.5% of all petroleum usage. http://www.bts.gov/publications/national_transportation_statistics/html/table_04 _03.html > and of that, cars & suv's exceed all other transportation modes by a > considerable margin. http://www.bts.gov/publications/national_transportation_statistics/html/table_04 _05.html > even worse, suv consumption has grown consistently year on year. car > consumption is relatively flat in comparison. > > where are you getting your data from? From an article I had read. Unfortunately, on going back and trying to research the claims, I cannot find any verification, so I will have to assume you are correct. The only thing I could find was varying reference to emissions (that from transportation is negligible, as opposed to all other sources of "greenhouse gasses"), but as for consumption, you appear to be correct. Is it Ironic that nearly all of the delivery vehicles that deliver and transport all types of fuel are made in america. Next time you see a shipment of Honda civics arrive at a dealership ,look at the make of the delivery vehicle. Or next time you see a re-fuelling rig at a gas station ,check out the make of it. Next time you get that mail order car part for your honda look at UPS/FedEx truck..I guarantee you 9 out 10 it will be american made. Don't forget big industry with all of there american made industrial big vehicles all american branded with 100's of 1,000's of miles on them still running flawlessly. Or take a look at discovery channel and see all of the american machinery hard at work delivering and transporting supplies and equipment to companies like Honda,Nissan etc. You need to get off of the america sucks bandwagon and grow some balls and give thanks to what great ingenuity and hard work all americans have done for big industry and the rest of the world. Without it companies like HONDA wouldn't have a chance. If you look at the bigger picture beyond your Sony crapbox, or your overrated tin can Honda civic . american products still are going strong. Besides if you make something that lasts too long you'll be out of business. My hand me down ZENITH TV lasted 30 + years. Whereas both of my Sonys lasted only 10. And ah oh yeah Im not a troll, I am one of those rare people who still likes america. > Is it Ironic that nearly all of the delivery vehicles that deliver and > transport all types of fuel are made in america. Next time you see a [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > 10. And ah oh yeah Im not a troll, I am one of those rare people who > still likes america. hey, idiot, /none/ of this is "america sucks", it's "american /cars/ suck". because the /RETARDS/ that make them /invented/ the quality control methodology and the automation the japanese use, but don't use it themselves!!! seriously, that's so unbelievably stupid, just getting their a.ses out of bed in the morning has got to hurt. I really wanna hit you. KSDJ1@webtv.net wrote: > I really wanna hit you. lay off the crystal, dumb-a.s. Billy Crystal? Oh..wait....Crystal Light Drink Mix? Yeah well off the lay a.s-dumb. >>> In looking at alternative fuels, nothing goes to waste when Honda Motor >>> Co. gets involved. The automaker is hard at work trying to produce [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >bathwater, though. As processes are refined, and production is increased, >efficiency will follow. Actually, the breakthrough comes when no energy is put into growing the crop. For example, cellulosic processes use waste products like corn husks and stalks or grass that grows with little energy input. Brazil is using sugar cane with good success. That said, there are real limits and drawbacks to bio fuel no matter how it is made. They may be part of the answer, but not as big a part as conservation. >It is also true that ethanol yields lower energy than petrol in current >engines, including "Flex Fuel" vehicles. But, again, engineering can fix >that through several changes, to make the fuel more viable, if it is >determined that we are to use it. Engineering cannot fix this. Ethanol has fewer calories than gasoline. From a chemical standpoint, it is already partially burned. >IMO, the best solution to the "Energy Crisis" is to simply install more >Nuclear Power plants in the country, moving our power source for >electricity completely away from fossil fuels. IMO the best solution is conservation. Nuclear power is part of the solution, but it is no magic bullet. The problem with all these technological solutions is that they create new problems of their own. > Once that happens, the >current supply of fossil fuels will last us a very long time, and our >emissions would drop through the floor. Our only real hope of avoiding catastrophe is a concerted effort at conservation and living with minimal impact combined with sensible application of the technological solutions. I don't give us much hope really. >> In looking at alternative fuels, nothing goes to waste when Honda >> Motor Co. gets involved. The automaker is hard at work trying to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > go away you spamming idiot. and biofuels take more energy to produce > than they yield - their production is simply political masturbation. Ayup. That's the primary reason they gave up on booze first time round in the '20s. Besides Prohibition, that is. Can you imagine the environut screams once they see how much new acreage has to be plowed under to keep North America in ethanol? All that fertilizer? All those pesticides? You sure won't get the yield you need going "organic"! The environuts don't want to think about all that right now... And, as things stand, they currently have NO way of making ethanol cheaply from cellulose, and nothing currently in the lab that shows promise for that. Sort of like the environuts' other wet dream, the "fuel cell".  SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >>> In looking at alternative fuels, nothing goes to waste when Honda >>> Motor Co. gets involved. The automaker is hard at work trying to [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > from cellulose, and nothing currently in the lab that shows promise for > that. Sort of like the environuts' other wet dream, the "fuel cell". Certainly all true. But it still makes a lot of sense to keep researching. Even if we do cut way back, fossil fuels will run out eventually. And it is not just the environuts that are begging for a real alternative. Even if you are completely gung-ho about using gas, it would be nice to at least minimize our need to pander to the middle east in any way, shape or form. It makes little sense to keep our economy tied to a group of people that seems to have such disdain for us and our way of life. |
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