g20zoom@gmail.com wrote in news:1187107569.086486.29750
@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com:

I think you'll find the splash shield and steering knuckle are in the way
of pounding the studs out.

Get behind the knuckle with a strong light and see if the stud heads appear
to have room to exit to the inboard side. I don't think it's possible.

If you remove those four bolts you mention, all you will do is make the
rotor loose; the rotor is behind the hub, which is pressed on to the
steering knuckle. The hub needs to be pressed off the knuckle before the
rotor can be removed. The pressing part is NOT a DIY job.

I suspect you'll need to remove the steering knuckle from the car and have
a garage press everything apart so the stud can be changed.

if the stud you're changing is broken you can just pound it back, and it
will fall out... the interference with getting the new one in can be
fixed if you have a grinder... you take the new stud, and where the
head is on the top of it, you just grind one side to a flat edge, so
when you're looking at it, it looks kinda like a "D" but don't grind
down into the shaft of the stud...

When you go to put the ground down one back in, just make sure that the
ground part is facing the inside of the assembly, and push it straight
in..

As far as drawing them in, yes, you can do it with an open ended lug,
BUT make sure you're not dragging the threads of the stud in the hole,
as this will crush them, and they're not nearly as easy to get out when
they're not broken.

also, if you're replacing more than one, drive your car at a low-normal
speed and take lots of turns for about 15-20 mins, then retighten all
the lugs on that wheel... this will ensure proper seating of the studs.

the "official" method is remove the knuckle, press out the hub center,
press out the stud, replace stud and reassemble.  but you can also do it
by cutting away part of the splash guard to get access.  but that's a
cheap and dirty fix.  you can probably buy a whole new knuckle with hub
from a junk yard for less than it'll cost you to mess about like that.

whatever you do though, do NOT pound on the hub - you'll damage the
bearings.

heh, it happens... at least you realised it tho @ tegger :P

i was kinda wondering wtf you were talking about... cuz g20zoom is the
threadstarter and all... why would he have sensible knowledge of his
own problem... ya know? lol no matter tho.

those bolts should be cranked... not necessarily with an impact, but
cranked none-the-less. I think the torque spec is something like
100-115 lb/ft^2

heh... read a torque wrench.. it's measured in ft.lbs... which is
"pounds per square foot." you're torquing to a given pressure. the
purpose of torquing a nut and bolt assembly is to allow frictional
forces to maintain a certain pressure over a given AREA of the
contacted surfaces... in other words, when you torque the nut and bolt
to 80 lb.ft., you're torquing them to 80 lbs per Ft^2 of contact
surface area... Don't try to school me.. I'm here for a reason.

and he wasn't talking about the lugnuts... he was talking about the
caliper retainer to hub mount bolts.

yeah, a 3 leg (crow's foot) puller is usually for anything riding on a
central shaft... they work by putting pressure against the backside of
the object you're trying to remove, which is done by applying pressure
to the front side of the object it's riding on... simply put, there is
no center "shaft" in a hub bearing.... so no, it wouldn't work w/o
modifying the design of the pulling... which completely defeats the
purpose of using it.

I apologize for saying that incorrectly, I should have mentioned that
the pressure spec is 100-115 lb/ft^2 (the amount of pressure applied to
release the bolt)

Jim Beam, before posting an arguement, whether you're right or not,
read your own posted links... b/c you're actually right about the
torque versus pressure thing, but wrong about the factor of
multiplication.

taken from wiki article "torque":
Since energy can be thought of as the result of "force times distance",
energy is always a scalar whereas torque is "force cross distance" and
so is a (pseudo) vector-valued quantity.

Force cross distance refers to a 1:1 relationship, hence, no
multiplication or division, no adding or subtracting.

The "confusion" that I experienced when I misquoted was that I
transposed the theories of "torque manipulation" and "force exertion"
since torque can be displayed as an application of pressure, in terms
that pressure can be translated as force...

Either way, this thread has reached it's pinnacle of usefulness, and
we're way off topic...

By the way, simple equation for a math scholar to check out algorithmic
programs for accuracy:  [(e^(pi)) - (pi)]

The answer should always come to 20... unless your Floating Point
Handlers have rounding errors. This is standard to test your system for
data compliance.

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And in case you're wondering, about 10 seconds.

Look... you're now argueing with yourself... that little blurb came
right from the article that you pointed me to... on wiki... meaning
that you didn't even know what you were posting...

"Force cross Distance" is the proper terminology for torque... meaning
that the relationship is 1:1.

As far as what you're saying, I understand that, and I already
corrected myself for... The place that confused me isn't on you to
decide, I'm quite well aware of what I mistook.

dude... that "force cross distance thing" CAME FROM THE ARTICLE THAT YOU
POSTED... could you be more ignorant?  Since it came from the article
that YOU POSTED WHILE TRYING TO PROVE ME WRONG, that must mean that you
also were wrong, since you were quoting an unknown or unchecked source..
*and yes, when you post a website for research purposes, you are, in
fact, quoting it.* And now, after all, to add to the stupidity, you're
debating with material taken IN CONTEXT from your source... you may be
smart enough to catch the follies of those who don't stay up late at
night planning every single word they type, like you, but you're still
not intelligent enough to realize that A) your kind of help isn't
welcome, and B) no matter how much you want to believe that you're
always correct about everything, you're not.

Did I hit pretty close to home there? GOOD. Stop tearing this thread to
sh.t b/c you feel like making yourself look smarter than you actually
are... ffs, I mis-posted a single damn word, and you're jumping all
over it like someone is going to die as a result of my inherent
penchance (sp) for mistyping small bits of info when I've just woken
after long nights of not sleeping BECAUSE I HAVE A LIFE, outside of
calling the most sophomoric mistakes of those attempting to save
someone some money becuase for f.ck's sake, we all know that noone in
this country needs any more of that... <./sarcasm -off>

as far as using a better portal to access the thread... lmao.. I'm
using the site the damn thing is hosted on... it can't get much better
than that.

and as far as insulting the ppl trying to help me, YES I insult those
who give unsolicited help and then proceed to condescend the one who
didn't ask for the help in the first place....

so in closing, I"d just like to ask one thing... ARE YOU DONE YET?

Actually, it IS hosted on a web server... it's called " www.automotive
forums.com " which is exactly where I get access to it.

Automotive Forums  > Unmoderated Usenet Topics  > Honda would be the
path FROM the server that this is HOSTED ON to get to this particular
area... ;)

I'm quite aware of what usenet is, and how it's accessed... thank you.

This "mirror" that you speak of, well, it's an image... just like any
mirror.. it holds an "identical image of what is being mirrored"...
correct?

Now.. that would mean that although UseNet is not in fact hosted on a
webserver, this particular "mirror" is... so I'm still correct in that
sense..

Still, to end this petty bullshit, no matter who may have been wrong or
right, the point is that this thread has gotten so far off topic that
it's utterly worthless to continue posting.

I mentioned this earler, to no avail, in an attempt to end the
argument, which should never have started.. after finding that I
mis-quoted myself, I corrected myself, only to find that certain people
in this world are entirely unwilling to let something go as a mistake,
and must take time out of their lives to attempt to belittle others in
a futile effort to make themselves seem smarter.

It never works.

End it.. it's pointless, just get over it, and get back to your damn
lives.