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Car Forum / Honda Cars / October 2007How to adjust windshield sprinkler in accord 2004
When I try to wash the windshield in my accord coupe I see the stream of water hits the wiper blade, not the glass. Nowhere in the user manual I can find the procedure... It this the same as with other, older cars, that you can put some paper clip end to the sprinkler hole and move it? I would not like to break it if this is done some other way... > When I try to wash the windshield in my accord coupe I see > the stream of water hits the wiper blade, not the glass. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > put some paper clip end to the sprinkler hole and move it? > I would not like to break it if this is done some other way... I would use either a straight pin or an unbent safety pin, not a paper clip. The pins are tapered and will only go in so far. Paper clip may not even fit. Just insert the pin and move the nozzle around. Dan D '07 Ody EX Central NJ USA take a tooth pic and just move it around. dont worry you wont break it i have done it several times to adjust mine. > It this the same as with other, older cars, that you can > put some paper clip end to the sprinkler hole and move it? > I would not like to break it if this is done some other way... what shape is the nozzle? My 2001 Civic has a nozzle that looks like a horizontal slot, kind of like it fits a slotted screwdriver. I think I actually adjusted it with my fingernail. >> It this the same as with other, older cars, that you can >> put some paper clip end to the sprinkler hole and move it? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > a horizontal slot, kind of like it fits a slotted screwdriver. I think I > actually adjusted it with my fingernail. Yes, it looks like horizontal slot. > When I try to wash the windshield in my accord coupe I see > the stream of water hits the wiper blade, not the glass. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > put some paper clip end to the sprinkler hole and move it? > I would not like to break it if this is done some other way... According to Honda's official documentation: " To adjust the nozzle, use a small, flat-tip screwdriver to push on the deflector and move the ball. Never stick a needle or any such object in the nozzle. Adjust the nozzle so the center of the spray hits the middle of the windshield."  SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >> When I try to wash the windshield in my accord coupe I see >> the stream of water hits the wiper blade, not the glass. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > nozzle. Adjust the nozzle so the center of the spray hits the middle of the > windshield." Thanks, Tegger! Where are you quoting this from, my friend? > The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ > www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ I am not sure if you are aware - honda books and online manuals links on your website are broken. I am getting 404 - not found error code. . >> According to Honda's official documentation: >> " To adjust the nozzle, use a small, flat-tip screwdriver to push on [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Thanks, Tegger! > Where are you quoting this from, my friend? One of the monthly Honda Service News issues. I can't find exactly which one right now, though. > > > I am not sure if you are aware - honda books and online manuals links > on your website are broken. I am getting 404 - not found error code. I just tried them all with no problems. Specifically which link doesn't work? SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ Tegger Wrote: > I just tried them all with no problems. Specifically which link doesn't > work? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ > 'www.tegger.com/hondafaq/' (http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/) Link to "HONDA PARTS" brings this page that does not work! http://www.jdmhondaparts.com/ Thank you, for your site Sam Signaturesomick http://www.automotiveforums.com mx.nodomain.com: > Tegger Wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Link to "HONDA PARTS" brings this page that does not work! > http://www.jdmhondaparts.com/ I have no such link. Are you sure you're not clicking on some ad in a third-party reproduction of my site? Please post the actual URL. If somebody is linking to my site (with bogus ads), I want to know. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > mx.nodomain.com: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Please post the actual URL. If somebody is linking to my site (with bogus > ads), I want to know. At http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/links.html I'm seeing "Honda parts" as the link between "Acura parts online" and "More Honda parts" and it points to http://www.jdmhondaparts.com/ >> somick <somick.2x8h3q@no-mx.nodomain.com> wrote in >> news:somick.2x8h3q@no- mx.nodomain.com: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > as the link between "Acura parts online" and "More Honda parts" and it > points to http://www.jdmhondaparts.com/ Not any more. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >> I am not sure if you are aware - honda books and online manuals links >> on your website are broken. I am getting 404 - not found error code. > > I just tried them all with no problems. Specifically which link doesn't > work? I am talking about links here http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/links.html: These do not work for me on AT&T DSL Internet line at home: http://www.verdad.org/legend/ http://www.uuhome.de/william.darden/ http://www.jdmhondaparts.com/ http://www.sixstroke.com/books/autos/honda_manuals.html http://www.honda.co.uk/owner/workshopmanuals2.html http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/www.elementownersclub.com >>> I am not sure if you are aware - honda books and online manuals >>> links on your website are broken. I am getting 404 - not found error [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > http://www.honda.co.uk/owner/workshopmanuals2.html > http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/www.elementownersclub.com You picked up all those from the "Links" page. I inherited that page three years ago from John Ings, founder of the FAQ. Surely you read the disclaimer at the top of that page. If not, I quote it here: "Warning: This page has not been updated in several years. I inherited it from founder John Ings when I took over this site, and have done nothing with it. I have no idea how many broken links there are. You might be wasting your time." The Links page will very soon either disappear entirely or be drastically altered. Not sure there's any point to it any more, since most of the links are repeated in other pages relevant to their subjects. Plus I have a Search function that John did not. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > You picked up all those from the "Links" page. Yes, I did. The page is on your website. This is what I said originally... > I inherited that page three years ago from John Ings, Does it really matter? Why are you so defensive? It is your website - if you are ok with broken links on your website, I have nothing against it :-) You can have ANYTHING you want on your own website. Have a great day and thank you again for the info about the windshield sprinklers. Cheers, Pszemol. >> You picked up all those from the "Links" page. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > It is your website - if you are ok with broken links > on your website, I have nothing against it :-) I took the link page down. If it's that badly out of date, there's no point in having it up any more. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in news:Xns99B1C20AC98Etegger@ 207.14.116.130: > . >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > One of the monthly Honda Service News issues. I can't find exactly which > one right now, though. Found it! April 2003, third page. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >> When I try to wash the windshield in my accord coupe I see >> the stream of water hits the wiper blade, not the glass. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > nozzle. Adjust the nozzle so the center of the spray hits the middle of the > windshield." OK, I was replacing my wiper inserts today, so there was a perfect excuse to play with the sprinkler nozzles... It is true, they move as described above. The problem I am seeing is more in the geometry of the driver side windshield wiper, which seems to be too high. When I try to adjust position of the nozzle to make the stream of water going over the resting wiper the stream of water is way too high and hits the windshield near the roof of the car. If you move it anywhere lower, steram hits the wiper instead of the windshield. It seems to me, that the proper setting is when the water hits the wiper, because when spraying wipers automaticaly start to move and the next stream hits the glass when the wiper moves... Am I correct or not? Can you adjust the nozzle in your 2004 accord coupe the way the water avoids resting wiper? >>> When I try to wash the windshield in my accord coupe I see >>> the stream of water hits the wiper blade, not the glass. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Am I correct or not? Can you adjust the nozzle in your > 2004 accord coupe the way the water avoids resting wiper? You're supposed to aim the spray so it hits the middle of the glass (up- and-down). If you have trouble getting fineness of aim, the cure is simple: violate Honda's edict. Go to any craft shop and get a cheap set of cross-stitch needles (ask the wife). Cross-stitch needles have a rounded, blunt point, and will not damage the nozzle's surfaces. With the correct, well-fitting size of blunt needle you can stick it directly into the round hole and get finer control over its aim. If your spray pattern is actually a SPRAY rather than a STREAM, disregard my advice above, and obey Honda's. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > You're supposed to aim the spray so it hits the middle of the glass (up- > and-down). [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > If your spray pattern is actually a SPRAY rather than a STREAM, > disregard my advice above, and obey Honda's. Yes, my spray patter is actually spray, not a stream... And the driver side arm of the wiper seems to be too high, in the way of the water stream/sprawy making it impossible to satisfy two constrains: water hiting over the wiper arm and not hiting too high on the windshield (almost roof). Passenger side is OK, no problems there... wiper arm is low and allows setting water target spot on the glass correctly. >> You're supposed to aim the spray so it hits the middle of the glass (up- >> and-down). [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Passenger side is OK, no problems there... wiper arm is low > and allows setting water target spot on the glass correctly. I would lift the driver's side wiper off the glass and aim the nozzle accordingly. I expect to have some hands on experience soon, because the spray on my '03 Accord sedan needs to be re-aimed. > I would lift the driver's side wiper off the glass and aim > the nozzle accordingly. If I do it, and then put the wiper back down than the nozzle will hit the wiper, not the glass. > I expect to have some hands on experience soon, because > the spray on my '03 Accord sedan needs to be re-aimed. Cool, so you will tell me how it works for you. My question would be: can you set up the nozzle on the driver side that the water hits middle point of the glass WHEN THE WIPER IS IN REST on the glass. >> I would lift the driver's side wiper off the glass and aim >> the nozzle accordingly. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > the driver side that the water hits middle point of > the glass WHEN THE WIPER IS IN REST on the glass. I think at least some of the problem here hay be the steepness of the glass. When the glass is too steep, tiny adjustments in aim mean gross movements in pattern on the glass. In other words, you're constantly overshooting or undershooting your intended mark. Do you think this may be the case? SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > I think at least some of the problem here hay be the steepness of the > glass. When the glass is too steep, tiny adjustments in aim mean gross > movements in pattern on the glass. In other words, you're constantly > overshooting or undershooting your intended mark. > > Do you think this may be the case? Not at all. At some point I had the water over the wiper, barelly touching it with the eadge of the spray... Unfortunatelly at this setting majority of water was wetting my moonroof :-) Lowering nozzle ANY lower would cause water hitting wiper. I have to check if I have an original wiper... I got the car used, so who knows. Have to check other accords and compare to mine. >> I think at least some of the problem here hay be the steepness of the >> glass. When the glass is too steep, tiny adjustments in aim mean [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I got the car used, so who knows. > Have to check other accords and compare to mine. Two things I can think of: 1) Aftermarket <gag> wiper blades, or 2) debris in the nozzle affecting the spray pattern. Do both sides have the same spray pattern, or is one noticeably different from the other? If different, one nozzle is slightly blocked. Don't put aftermarket sh.t on your car. If you have any, get rid of it post haste. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > Two things I can think of: > 1) Aftermarket <gag> wiper blades, or [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Don't put aftermarket sh.t on your car. If you have any, get rid of it post > haste. I don't put anything like this on my car. The wiper is probably correct, because I got factory inserts and both fit snugly like they were designed to each other. Driver side nozzle seems weaker than passenger one, but the tubing for this one is much longer than passenger one... I need to check other accords - I am surprised nobody in this group has 2003-2004 coupe to check this for me. In the worst case I will try to buy new nozzles... BTW- I was able to remove the driver side nozzle after unclipping the plastic piece of sieve next to it... But I have no idea how to replace the passenger side one. Do I need to take the solid plastic piece attached with round rivet-like plugs? Are they one-time use or can they be reused ? I am afraid they will crack while removing. >> Two things I can think of: >> 1) Aftermarket <gag> wiper blades, or [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > round rivet-like plugs? Are they one-time use or can they > be reused ? I am afraid they will crack while removing. When at a standstill the driver's spray will hit the wiper blade. ** If you turn the wipers on while spraying, it'll go where you need it. ** Don't try to adjust it so it will spray over the driver's blade when the wipers are not on since it'll spray too high. The only real benefit to spring the driver's side higher is if you're driving at speed, in which the wind and speed of the car will allow the spray to hit the windshield before it sprays over. This doesn't help when you're at a standstill. This used to drive me crazy too on my '05 Accord and I tried adjusting the driver's spray nozzle only to put it close to where it was - just slightly higher. IIRC, when using the washer at a standstill it'll still skim the top of the driver's blade. Once I turn on the wipers, problem gone. OEM blades. -Dave > When at a standstill the driver's spray will hit the wiper blade. ** If you > turn the wipers on while spraying, it'll go where you need it. ** Don't try [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > top of the driver's blade. Once I turn on the wipers, problem gone. OEM > blades. Very strange... Seems to be a design flaw. Is 2008 model the same way? >> When at a standstill the driver's spray will hit the wiper blade. ** >> If you turn the wipers on while spraying, it'll go where you need it. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Very strange... Seems to be a design flaw. How do you see that as a "design flaw"? You seem to be overreacting to a fairly minor thing here IMHO. >>> When at a standstill the driver's spray will hit the wiper blade. ** >>> If you turn the wipers on while spraying, it'll go where you need it. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > How do you see that as a "design flaw"? > You seem to be overreacting to a fairly minor thing here IMHO. Overreactng? I am not selling back the car for that reason. This design flaw is minor, but I consider it a design flaw. If you want to water your windshield and the water hits the wiper instead of the glass than something is wrong here... I have seen many cars in my life and never seen such thing. >> When at a standstill the driver's spray will hit the wiper blade. ** If >> you turn the wipers on while spraying, it'll go where you need it. ** [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Very strange... Seems to be a design flaw. > Is 2008 model the same way? I don't know about the '08 but my guess is yes. You'd only have a problem if you try to pre-soak the windshield before turning on the wiper blades. Otherwise it's fine! -Dave >> Very strange... Seems to be a design flaw. >> Is 2008 model the same way? > > I don't know about the '08 but my guess is yes. You'd only have a problem > if you try to pre-soak the windshield before turning on the wiper blades. > Otherwise it's fine! Yes! Exactly my point. Lets say you are in a dry, deset area... There is a ton of sand on your windshield... When you start wiping it dry you will destroy wiper blade and scratch the glass. In most cases it will not hurt, but it is a bad design. On 10/2/07 8:51 AM, in article fdt10s.bqs.0@poczta.onet.pl, "Pszemol" >>> Very strange... Seems to be a design flaw. >>> Is 2008 model the same way? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > wiping it dry you will destroy wiper blade and scratch the glass. > In most cases it will not hurt, but it is a bad design. I have etched a couple of windshields because the blades started moving before the stream wet enough of the glass. Sometime around the mid 90's they started keeping the wipers down until the sprayers worked for a second or two. One question no one has asked yet: Do you know for sure that the offending wiper blade is actually parking where it should? It could be out of adjustment (usually happens when somebody tries to use the wipers in the winter when they are iced over & frozen to the glass). If you have access to an FSM, the distance from the bottom of the windshield to the blade when its parked is usually in there. If not, look for other similar cars and see how yours compares. >>> I don't know about the '08 but my guess is yes. You'd only have a problem >>> if you try to pre-soak the windshield before turning on the wiper blades. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > they started keeping the wipers down until the sprayers worked for a second > or two. This is exactly what I am talking about. > One question no one has asked yet: Do you know for sure that the offending > wiper blade is actually parking where it should? It could be out of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > its parked is usually in there. If not, look for other similar cars and see > how yours compares. No, I have no access to the factory service manual... >> Two things I can think of: >> 1) Aftermarket <gag> wiper blades, or [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > The wiper is probably correct, because I got factory inserts > and both fit snugly like they were designed to each other. Then they're the right ones. Make sure they're installed on the correct sides! > Driver side nozzle seems weaker than passenger one, but the > tubing for this one is much longer than passenger one... OK, after reading the other replies, here's a question: how do the wipers and washers function in actual use? Does the spray and wiper combo clear the glass properly? Then there may be no problem at all. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >>> Two things I can think of: >>> 1) Aftermarket <gag> wiper blades, or [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > and washers function in actual use? Does the spray and wiper combo clear > the glass properly? Then there may be no problem at all. Bingo! >>> Don't put aftermarket sh.t on your car. If you have any, get rid of >>> it post haste. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Then they're the right ones. Make sure they're installed on the correct > sides! Come on... one is twice as long as the other... :-) >> Driver side nozzle seems weaker than passenger one, but the >> tubing for this one is much longer than passenger one... > > OK, after reading the other replies, here's a question: how do the wipers > and washers function in actual use? Does the spray and wiper combo clear > the glass properly? Then there may be no problem at all. There is a problem: sprinkler waters the wiper, not the glass. > Come on... one is twice as long as the other... :-) It's not that bad. The long size fits on both sides, giving me a little more view of the world. ;-) SignatureClarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5 > Not at all. At some point I had the water over the wiper, > barelly touching it with the eadge of the spray... > Unfortunatelly at this setting majority of water was > wetting my moonroof :-) > Lowering nozzle ANY lower would cause water hitting wiper. There might be substantial downforce airflow at road speeds. SignatureClarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5 >> Not at all. At some point I had the water over the wiper, >> barelly touching it with the eadge of the spray... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > There might be substantial downforce airflow at road speeds. Where would the downforce come from? Car is pushing forward so the air is going UP to the roof. This air will blow the water up. snip > This air will blow the water up. Really? Have you experienced this water levitation? The faster you go the lower on the windshield washer spray will hit. If you want to use the washers at highway speeds the spray should hit near the top of the windshield when the car is at rest. Rain-X works as advertised if you apply it about twice as often as indicated on the package. That stuff does make the water appear to levitate; or bead up and blow away; whichever... > Where would the downforce come from? > Car is pushing forward so the air is going UP to the roof. > This air will blow the water up. Chevy used to have "cowl induction" where the downforce pushed air into the carburetor from the base of the windshield. The air intake for your cabin heater is at the base of the windshield. Some windshield wipers have airfoils to harness the downforce. Cheesy graphics: http://www.up22.com/tech.htm#LiftDownforce SignatureClarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5 >> Where would the downforce come from? >> Car is pushing forward so the air is going UP to the roof. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > The air intake for your cabin heater is at the base of the windshield. Bottom of the windshield is considered a "high pressure" area. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >> I would lift the driver's side wiper off the glass and aim >> the nozzle accordingly. > > If I do it, and then put the wiper back down > than the nozzle will hit the wiper, not the glass. Only when the wiper is parked. I would assume you'd want the wiper moving if you're squirting the windshield. That's my thought - don't know without experimenting if I can hit mid windshield with the wiper parked (and that's not a concern for me). >>> I would lift the driver's side wiper off the glass and aim >>> the nozzle accordingly. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > know without experimenting if I can hit mid windshield with the wiper > parked (and that's not a concern for me). Wiper should move on a wet, not dry and sandy glass. >>>> I would lift the driver's side wiper off the glass and aim >>>> the nozzle accordingly. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Wiper should move on a wet, not dry and sandy glass. If the spray hits the wiper blade, the glass will get wet, at least around here. >>>>> I would lift the driver's side wiper off the glass and aim >>>>> the nozzle accordingly. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > If the spray hits the wiper blade, the glass will get wet, at least > around here. More preciselly, spray hits the wiper arm, not the blade itself. No water hits the glass when wiper is resting parked. All water hits the wiper arm and flows down to the throf. > More preciselly, spray hits the wiper arm, not the blade itself. > No water hits the glass when wiper is resting parked. > All water hits the wiper arm and flows down to the throf.- That's wrong. Nozzle needs adjustment. Fluid should hit the glass about 2/3 the way up. >> More preciselly, spray hits the wiper arm, not the blade itself. >> No water hits the glass when wiper is resting parked. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Nozzle needs adjustment. > Fluid should hit the glass about 2/3 the way up. Please read the beginning of this thread... I have already written any better adjustment is not possible. If I move nozzle up the way water barely touches the wiper arm than the majority of the water spray hits the upper edge of the windshield. The wiper arm is simply in the way and there seem to be nothing I can do with the nozzle to avoid hitting it. When you sit high in the driver seat you clearly see that the driver wiper arm sticks much higher over the edge of the hood than the passenger one. But the wiper is parked below blackened part of the windshield, so it seems to be in the correct position. > I have already written any better adjustment is not possible. > If I move nozzle up the way water barely touches the wiper arm > than the majority of the water spray hits the upper edge of > the windshield. That is exactly right for use at highway speed. Stop work. >>> More preciselly, spray hits the wiper arm, not the blade itself. >>> No water hits the glass when wiper is resting parked. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >below blackened part of the windshield, so it seems to be >in the correct position. I have been reading this thread from the beginning, but still confused about the problem. When I turn on the spray on our '03 Accord, the wipers start immediately, so there is no problem of the spray hitting the wiper blades except occassionally as they wipe. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > I have been reading this thread from the beginning, but still confused > about the problem. When I turn on the spray on our '03 Accord, the > wipers start immediately, so there is no problem of the spray hitting > the wiper blades except occassionally as they wipe. On my 2004 model there is a delay, maybe 1/2 maybe a second, I have not measured it. This delay is enough to press the lever for the water and depress it BEFORE wipers get activated. So the delay, while short, is significant and the first movement of the driver side wiper happened when the glass is stil dry. When you continue spraying water while wipers are moving then the glass is hit with water and there is no problem... But when you have a lot of dust/sand on the windshield and you start the wipers dry you can etch the glass pretty easily with a single move of the dry wiper. |
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