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Has anyone tried driving the new 2008 Accord? I was just wondering if its a real noticible improvement for the ride, comfort and power, handling etc. Thanks, Al >Has anyone tried driving the new 2008 Accord? No, it's amazing. Not one person anywhere, including honda has ever tried to drive it. >>Has anyone tried driving the new 2008 Accord? > No, it's amazing. Not one person anywhere, including honda has ever > tried to drive it. :-) > >Has anyone tried driving the new 2008 Accord? > > No, it's amazing. Not one person anywhere, including honda has ever > tried to drive it. Sounds more like a new GM car. > Has anyone tried driving the new 2008 Accord? I was just wondering if its a > real noticible improvement for the ride, comfort and power, handling etc. > > Thanks, > Al Gosh, I hope so because they certainly didn't improve the looks..... Dan D '07 Ody EX Central NJ USA >> Has anyone tried driving the new 2008 Accord? I was just wondering if its >> a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Gosh, I hope so because they certainly didn't improve the looks..... Yeah, it's a real dog alright....just this side of butt-ugly. I do like my '07 though.... >>> Has anyone tried driving the new 2008 Accord? I was just wondering if its >>> a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Yeah, it's a real dog alright....just this side of butt-ugly. > I do like my '07 though.... I had a chance to see 2008 coupe and sedans yesterday at the dealership. They were both black. I know that taste is something very personal, but I have to agree with you: compared to 2007 new accord looks much worse. Very "aggressive", much smaller-looking car. I have 2004, silver - I like a lot how it looks like, I like 2007 even better because it reminds me much smoother and slimer 2002 and if I could afford it I would make a switch for 2007... But 2008 - not apealing at all. Especially not black. One interesting thing I noticed what the door edge guards looking like a piece of tape in the color of the body paint. With the name "stealth" and the price $99 it was pretty funny, but maybe practical. Especially for coupe with much larger, easy to scratch doors. Do you guys know any cheaper alternative? But not as cheesy as electrical tape? :-) Duct tape would not be looking good either, however it would match my silver paint :-) >I had a chance to see 2008 coupe and sedans yesterday at the dealership. >They were both black. I know that taste is something very personal, but >I have to agree with you: compared to 2007 new accord looks much worse. >Very "aggressive", much smaller-looking car. That is interesting. I noticed the same thing when driving by a dealership yesterday. Car looks smaller, but is in fact much larger. It's even moved up a class in size. For now, I much prefer my 2003, but I thought the same thing about the 1999 until I got used to the 2003. Now I think it's beautiful. Especially with the gold package. Maybe the 2008 will grow on me. The only thing I would like for the 2003 is the LED trunk lights in the later models. I hate the looks of the wing. Built into the trunk (ala Cadillac) is much nicer. Maybe I should get a 2007 while there are still some around. Dick  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>I had a chance to see 2008 coupe and sedans yesterday at the dealership. >>They were both black. I know that taste is something very personal, but [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Dick For me, the new Honda Accord is just okay (not great not terrible) in appearance but I think the latest Camry is ugly. >>>I had a chance to see 2008 coupe and sedans yesterday at the dealership. >>>They were both black. I know that taste is something very personal, but [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > For me, the new Honda Accord is just okay (not great not terrible) in > appearance but I think the latest Camry is ugly. I would second that -- looks OK. Of course, since I have an 0-6 Accord coupe I4 I have no reason to buy new for quite some -- perhaps when the next generation comes out. We will likely replace my wife's 0-3 Pilot next year with the last of the current model when the price ought to be down. >> I had a chance to see 2008 coupe and sedans yesterday at the dealership. >>They were both black. I know that taste is something very personal, but [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > dealership yesterday. Car looks smaller, but is in fact much larger. > It's even moved up a class in size. Accord EX-L Coupe, AT 2008 2007 2004 (data from MSN Autos website) Engine: 2.4L I4 (hp) 190 160 160 3.0L V6 (hp) 268 244 240 Exterior: Curb Weight (lb) 3366 3177 3104 Wheelbase (in.) 107.90 105.10 105.10 Length (in.) 190.90 187.80 187.60 Width (in.) 72.80 71.30 71.30 Track Front (in.) 62.20 61.10 61.10 I can understand the width change since 2008 model has its ugly, ugly looking door handles sticking out of the body :-) How terrible it looks compared to flush handles in older models! Interior: Front Headroom (in.) 37.40 37.50 37.50 Rear Headroom (in.) 35.10 36.10 36.10 Front Legroom (in.) 42.20 43.10 43.10 Rear Legroom (in.) 33.10 31.90 31.90 Front Shoulder Room (in.) 58.40 56.10 56.10 Rear Shoulder Room (in.) 54.50 55.40 55.40 Front Hip Room (in.) 56.40 54.20 54.20 Rear Hip Room (in.) 46.30 46.10 46.10 You are right, to my surprise, that the exterior of the car is bigger. However interior is not bigger, and in most categories smaller. The 2008 is also almost 200 pounds heavier, so it makes it like you are carrying one extra passenger all the time... Stronger engine compesates this, but the fact stays true that you are moving more steel to travel from point A to point B. This has to have a negative impact on the fuel economy. BTW - what category makes it go up in the class in size? >> That is interesting. I noticed the same thing when driving by a >> dealership yesterday. Car looks smaller, but is in fact much larger. >> It's even moved up a class in size. >You are right, to my surprise, that the exterior of the car is bigger. >However interior is not bigger, and in most categories smaller. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >BTW - what category makes it go up in the class in size? According to http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/info.shtml#sizeclasses class is based on interior passenger and cargo volume. A mid-size car is defined as one with 110 to less than 120 cubic feet. A large car has 120 and over. Edmunds still shows the 2008 Accord as an EPA rated mid-size car, however, I cannot find it yet on the EPA website. I have read other reviews that state the Accord is now a large car. Can't give you a reference right now. Dick SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > According to http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/info.shtml#sizeclasses > class is based on interior passenger and cargo volume. A mid-size car [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > have read other reviews that state the Accord is now a large car. > Can't give you a reference right now. Coupe: http://automobiles.honda.com/accord-coupe/specifications.aspx?group=interior Cargo Volume (cu. ft.) 11.9 Passenger Volume (cu. ft.) 92.1 (for LX-S) or 89.7 (for the rest of trims) The sum will be 104 for LX-S or 101.7 for the rest. Both coupes fit Compact range 100 - 109. Same for sedans: Cargo Volume (cu. ft.) 14 Passenger Volume (cu. ft.) 106 (for LX / LX-P) 101 (rest of the trims) The sum will be 120 for LX or 115 for the rest. So all sedans will be mid-size except LX which barely slip out to large. When I was looking at the 2008 accord at the dealership I was comparing coupe to my 2004, and it *looked* smaller than mine. >>> I had a chance to see 2008 coupe and sedans yesterday at the dealership. >>>They were both black. I know that taste is something very personal, but [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > >BTW - what category makes it go up in the class in size? If it matters I read the 2008 is 3 cu. ft larger inside than the older Accords. Most of it from my inspection is in head height. >>> That is interesting. I noticed the same thing when driving by a >>> dealership yesterday. Car looks smaller, but is in fact much larger. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > If it matters I read the 2008 is 3 cu. ft larger inside than the older > Accords. Most of it from my inspection is in head height. Well, it must be sedan then, because coupe has smaller headroom. >>>> That is interesting. I noticed the same thing when driving by a >>>> dealership yesterday. Car looks smaller, but is in fact much larger. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > >Well, it must be sedan then, because coupe has smaller headroom. Correct. I did not look at the coupe's specs. Yes the car is bigger, and its in the full size category instead of a mid sized car. It has alot more HP and is supposed to have better handling and braking and ride. Its already in my dealerships where I am. I personally like the looks of the new accord. I don't think its ugly at all.I was thinking about dark gray for a color, but still not sure if I want this car. Maybe. >>>>You are right, to my surprise, that the exterior of the car is bigger. >>>>However interior is not bigger, and in most categories smaller. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Correct. I did not look at the coupe's specs. > Yes the car is bigger, and its in the full size category instead of a mid > sized car. It has alot more HP and is supposed to have better handling and > braking and ride. Its already in my dealerships where I am. I personally > like the looks of the new accord. I don't think its ugly at all.I was > thinking about dark gray for a color, but still not sure if I want this car. > Maybe. I sat in a couple of 2008 sedans yesterday but didn't bother with a test drive. (No 5-speeds in stock.) Size: Accord isn't a full sized car by Buick standards. The back seat is now more comfortable in terms of leg room and I think the two front seats are a bit wider. Seats: IMHO, the cloth seats in the 2008 EX are very comfortable, FAR better than those in the last Accord (which I thought were lousy). However, the 2008 leather seats are awful. You sit on top of the leather seat, not in it. The leather is pretty hard which only makes the poor seat design that much worse. Exterior styling: IMHO, no contest, the 2008 is *far* nicer than the previous Accord. Dashboard: If I were to buy a sedan based on the dash design, I wouldn't buy an Accord. Toyota does a much better job. YMMV > Seats: IMHO, the cloth seats in the 2008 EX are very comfortable, FAR > better than those in the last Accord (which I thought were lousy). Funny, I think my 2004 Accord cloth seats are great. Now my future car choice has a lot to do with the seat! Since I was recently considering a small SUV for a future replacement, I sat in a CR-V, RAV-4, Forester, and Outback. To me, none of them could compare to the comfort and quality of the 2004 Accord seat. I wouldn't be able to tolerate any of them. I think it was because the seats themselves are shallower than those of the Accord. If the 2008 seats are even better, then I'm glad to hear that. On alt.autos.honda (or whatever it is), a fellow reported he prefers the styling of the CR-V over the RAV-4. Go figure. ;-) This is why there are many manufacturers and models from which to choose -- something for everybody's tastes and needs. snip > Now my future car > choice has a lot to do with the seat! snip Well, there are plenty of aftermarket seats if that's the only thing a particular vehicle needs to make it onto your "buy" list. Yeah, the AWD V6 RAV4 is a pretty interesting package considering the outstanding mpg, strong engine and utility. >> Now my future car >> choice has a lot to do with the seat! > snip > Well, there are plenty of aftermarket seats if that's the only thing a > particular vehicle needs to make it onto your "buy" list. Isn't there an "issue" with replacing all the OEM seat's electricals and the side air bag into the aftermarket seat? > >> Now my future car > >> choice has a lot to do with the seat! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Isn't there an "issue" with replacing all the OEM seat's electricals electricals can be handled; > and the > side air bag into the aftermarket seat? side air bag - that's a problem I hadn't considered...but now that you mention it that's why my dealer suggested I go to a seat re- upholsterer when I complained about seat comfort. >> Isn't there an "issue" with replacing all the OEM seat's electricals > > electricals can be handled; > >> and the >> side air bag into the aftermarket seat? > side air bag - that's a problem I hadn't considered...but now that > you mention it that's why my dealer suggested I go to a seat re- > upholsterer when I complained about seat comfort. Yeah, all that. It ain't the 60's no more... But moving right along, it's the size, depth, and shape of the seats I've complained about that can't be "fixed" by an upholsterer... unfortunately. If I hadn't ever owned my 2004 Accord I probably would never have noticed how "bad" the aforementioned car seats are to me now. Right after I plunked myself down into a RAV-4's driver seat, I had to get out. It was all over at that point. > >> Isn't there an "issue" with replacing all the OEM seat's electricals > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > the size, depth, and shape of the seats I've complained about that can't be > "fixed" by an upholsterer I'm not so sure about that. My dealer assured me they can change just about everything other than the side air bag. On the other hand, my dealer just wanted to sell me a car... ... unfortunately. If I hadn't ever owned my 2004 > Accord I probably would never have noticed how "bad" the aforementioned car > seats are to me now. Right after I plunked myself down into a RAV-4's driver > seat, I had to get out. It was all over at that point. Those 2004 Accord seats are pretty firm. Toyota seats are usually too soft and too short in seat cushion length IMHO. The contrast between your Accord and RAV4 might mask real comfort issues (although I really don't doubt your assessment of those Toyota seats). You might want to "sit around" a few dealerships for a butt check. :-) I think Volvo seats are highly regarded by the automotive press. I personally like BMW's Sport seats. FYI: I found the RAV4's driving position more awkward than I found the seats to be uncomfortable but I'll admit to not having spent any significant time behind the wheel. > Those 2004 Accord seats are pretty firm. Toyota seats are usually too > soft and too short in seat cushion length IMHO. The "too short in seat cushion length," as well as its shape, particularly under the thighs, has become the big issue for me. All the cars I cited have seats that are too short for me now. But as you suggest, the driving position of the RAV-4 (or any SUV) may have something to do with my discomfort in them. When I sat in them, I knew I'd be very unhappy in any of them for having to drive any length of time. Thus the old maxim "try before you buy." >Yes the car is bigger, and its in the full size category instead of a mid >sized car. It has alot more HP and is supposed to have better handling and >braking and ride. Its already in my dealerships where I am. I personally >like the looks of the new accord. I don't think its ugly at all.I was >thinking about dark gray for a color, but still not sure if I want this car. >Maybe. It would be one of two cars I'd select to buy if I had to buy a car today. >>Yes the car is bigger, and its in the full size category instead of a mid >>sized car. It has alot more HP and is supposed to have better handling and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >It would be one of two cars I'd select to buy if I had to buy a car >today. Just to add to my earlier post, those 2 cars today would be the Accord or Corolla tho I'd prefer to not to buy them in their first model year unless I have to have a new car (I already have 4 cars so not likely I need one immediately). Of course I could buy lexus, bmw, etc.. but I have better things to do with my excess money. And yeah, I buy with cash nowadays. > Just to add to my earlier post, those 2 cars today would be the Accord > or Corolla tho I'd prefer to not to buy them in their first model year > unless I have to have a new car (I already have 4 cars so not likely I > need one immediately). Of course I could buy lexus, bmw, etc.. but > I have better things to do with my excess money. And yeah, I buy with > cash nowadays. I am confused... Why do you think you need to explain your financial situation here? :-) Let's talk about cars, how you pay for them and how much is on your savings account is not our business :-) >> Just to add to my earlier post, those 2 cars today would be the Accord >> or Corolla tho I'd prefer to not to buy them in their first model year [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Let's talk about cars, how you pay for them and how much is on >your savings account is not our business :-) Just to explain that I could have no problem obtaining more expensive cars but otherwise I agree with you. Don't worry I won't discuss my financial situation any further. >> Has anyone tried driving the new 2008 Accord? I was just wondering if its >> a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > '07 Ody EX > Central NJ USA It looks like an Acura TL and a Hyundai Sonata mashed together. The dashboard is an improvement over the old one which is real ugly and cheap looking. >Has anyone tried driving the new 2008 Accord? I was just wondering if its a >real noticible improvement for the ride, comfort and power, handling etc. > >Thanks, >Al I was wondering the same thing. My guess is it's not that different but experience is the best to listen to. I've tried today. I drove V6 and 4cyl. and I can tell these are two different cars. I didn't like 4cyl. I still prefer my '05 Buick Lacrosse. When comes to V6. This one is better then my Lacrosse, but Honda is much lauder. Altogether I liked V6 Accord and I believe this will be my next car (next year) > Has anyone tried driving the new 2008 Accord? I was just wondering if its > a real noticible improvement for the ride, comfort and power, handling > etc. > > Thanks, > Al > Has anyone tried driving the new 2008 Accord? I was just wondering if its > a real noticible improvement for the ride, comfort and power, handling > etc. Yeah...bought one, cash. An EX w/4 cylinder in black with tan/wood interior/cloth seats. Larger, super ride, stiff chasis, handling, interior design and materials, looks, engine power/smoothness, etc...and finally a dash display that I can look at again ( last one I liked was '90-94 model year )! Big fat Michelin tires ( $150 and up a pop I might add come replacement time ), sweet high-beams/lights, great seats, familiar Honda interior design lay-out, etc... I wouldn't recommend the LX..in fact, Honda doesn't even think they'll be the best sellers ( which is odd )...they think the EX will, and I agree. Only "regrets"..wish I could have waited a month or two to pay a little less ( I did the MSRP thing, dangit!...but I was one of the first to get one, and they were even trying to get up to $2000 OVER MSRP and sucke..err..folks were buying them like bottles of water! ), and wish the stock stereo was better. Then again, I don't listen to radio when I drive, so it matters not to me or else I would have gotten a better one to begin with. Oh..and I *prefer* the 4 over the V6...especially at speed during passing...I can't handle to "lag" a V6 goes thru to "kick in". I love my '08 Honda Accord EX sedan! I am more satisfied with it over previous Accords. I almost got an '07 Accord, and I am SOOO glad I didn't. The new Accord kicks the '07s butt in every way. Anyone who says differently is trying to justify their purchase IMHO...put the two next to each other, and I do NOT believe anyone would ask for the keys to the older model. Unless they don't want the better car for some reason. "Hold on tight to your dreams!" ( thats an old ELO song in the commercials for those too young to remember ). And I have lost count how many people have come up to me, pulled up beside me admiring the car, asking about it...its a stunning ride IMHO and it turns heads in person. Oh yeah....mine is PZEV rated, and in NY, that means I have a 15 year/150,000 mile warrantee on the Emmisions system, which covers a LOT of stuff. YES!!!!!!!! Peace, Polfus "Polfus" wrote in message... > Oh..and I *prefer* the 4 over the V6...especially at speed during > passing...I can't handle to "lag" a V6 goes thru to "kick in". We prefered the 4 also, but chose the V6 instead to get the power seats. Wife was (still is) pretty steamed at Honda for shortchanging the passenger seat - it only has 4-way power. She is short and likes to raise the seat up to see better, but she can't do it in the new Accord. Heck, her old Trailblazer she traded in had full power on the passenger seat - seems Honda's flagship car could have that, too. Doesn't make much sense to have to put an aftermarket seat cushion in a $29k top-of-the-line car. :( What were you thinking Honda??? Btw, I'm sure they sell the '08 Accord in the UK so they must have full power driver seats that would fit the passenger side of US cars - what are the chances for a retrofit? We'd like to keep this car a long time and it's the little detail things like this that add up to disappointment over the years. The headrests are pretty uncomfortable also - they seem to push your head too far forward and there is no fore/aft control. Beware if you have long hair - you'll have to wear it down or in a bun on TOP of your head to be comfortable - ponytails not allowed in this car. It also seems odd that they don't have a hanging hook on the passenger side of the rear seat like they do on the drivers side. Other than those deficiencies, it's been a great car so far. Just wish Honda would work on their details a little more - it could be so much better of a car with very little extra added at the factory. > We prefered the 4 also, but chose the V6 instead to get the power seats. Don't they put power sits in 4-cyl EX-L(eather) version? >> We prefered the 4 also, but chose the V6 instead to get the power seats. > > Don't they put power sits in 4-cyl EX-L(eather) version? Not on the passenger side, for sure. > We prefered the 4 also, but chose the V6 instead to get the power seats. My 4 cyl sedan has the power seats ( 8 way ). Maybe its a Coupe thing? Lemme go check...Honda site says the EX-L Coupe has 8 way seats with a 4 cyl. http://automobiles.honda.com/accord-coupe/price.aspx?Model=CS1188JNW What am I missing? > Wife was (still is) pretty steamed at Honda for shortchanging the > passenger seat - it only has 4-way power. Dang..thats nice. My EX sedan has manual passenger seats...shoot. > She is short and likes to raise the seat up to see better, but she can't > do it in the new Accord. I'm sorry..that must be fraustrating for her. Aren't coupes like an Accord puts out supposed to be about a single driver pretty much? Meaning...passengers and back seat occupants aren't really something a Coupe buyer worries about really anyway? Or am I off base here...point is, when I got my '90 Coupe as a younger man, I wasn't thinking about transporting anyone really buy myself. Now that I do think of those things...well...thats why the 4 door sedan this time. > Heck, her old Trailblazer she traded in had full power on the passenger > seat - seems Honda's flagship car could have that, too. Yeah...4 way is still cool though. And the Trailblazer is a different beast...and definately not a Coupe :) How tall is your wife? > Doesn't make much sense to have to put an aftermarket seat cushion in a > $29k top-of-the-line car. :( Hey...she must be shorter, or like to seat herself much much higher than normal...in which case its a judgement subjective call as to if its the cars fault or too much to expect from a Honda Accord Coupe...or your wife puts herslef too high in the seat.... If that is in any way the case, then you should make sure if she does the same thing with the seat when she drives, the steering wheel is corretly lined up with her chest or else she'll get a facefull of airbag or a stomach full of it....it should be aimed at the chest, and she shouldn't be too close to the wheel or have it telescoping out too far...thats EXTREMELY dangerous. Just talking is all..I have no idea what she or you look like, and it doesn't matter unless you wanna tell me...all I am doing is just enjoying discussing Honda Accords! > What were you thinking Honda??? I think its interesting I bout the SAME car I bought 15 years ago...a black Honda Accord EX ( sedan and auto this time, though ). That 1990 model Accord coupe had a 130 hp 4 and I had 5 speed manual which I could use well. The new Accords 190hp 4 is nice...takes you to speed smoothly...its deceptively smooth, in fact...feels like its not as strong but it IS..its just so smooth that it feels like its not even really exerting a lot off effort. But it does :) I just showed my friend who thought his Caddy's V8 was fast....he tried to pull away and I just hung in his blind spot so he flipped when he next saw that I was still beside him. > Btw, I'm sure they sell the '08 Accord in the UK so they must have full > power driver seats that would fit the passenger side of US cars - what are > the chances for a retrofit? Good question....or else just get a nice pillow and be done with it. Seems that they could make it 4 way still, just make the front/back the manual type with the lever under the front of the seat, and change 2 of the "4 way" functions to up and down for seat height. > We'd like to keep this car a long time and it's the little detail things > like this that add up to disappointment over the years. Bah...its a Coupe meant to be driven by single driver types IMHO.... But I must admit that the back of the new Coupe is pretty dang big! > The headrests are pretty uncomfortable also - they seem to push your head > too far forward and there is no fore/aft control. Those take getting used to..and you have to have them adjusted correctly or else you'll experience what you are right now. Check the Owner's Manual and you'll see what I mean I think. I for one think the new headrests are sweet...the hell with whiplash, dude..and ever little close of the distance between the occupant's head and headrest is critical when a rear end collision occurs. > Beware if you have long hair - you'll have to wear it down or in a bun on > TOP of your head to be comfortable - ponytails not allowed in this car. Again...adjusted correctly, that should be resolved. Try it and lemme know...I think you have it too low. > It also seems odd that they don't have a hanging hook on the passenger > side of the rear seat like they do on the drivers side. Again...single driver Coupe thinking I believe. But I tried to find what you meant..can't find a pic that explains what you are talking about. What "hook" are you talking about...on the actual back of the seat itself? I gotta look at the back of my sedan's seats...I'll let you know whats back there on mine. > Other than those deficiencies, it's been a great car so far. Just wish > Honda would work on their details a little more - it could be so much > better of a car with very little extra added at the factory. Yeah...always the case, isn't it :) Peace, Polfus >> We prefered the 4 also, but chose the V6 instead to get the power seats. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > What am I missing? We have the sedan EX-L. Power PASSENGER seat is ONLY available with the V6. Had we realized it was so limited in it's power range, we would have stuck with the four-cylinder that we originally wanted. Sucks to pay a $2500 premium and not get what you were expecting, except worse mpg, higher maintenance costs, poorer handling, etc. >> Wife was (still is) pretty steamed at Honda for shortchanging the >> passenger seat - it only has 4-way power. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Aren't coupes like an Accord puts out supposed to be about a single driver > pretty much? This is the sedan. Four door. Family car. > Meaning...passengers and back seat occupants aren't really something a > Coupe buyer worries about really anyway? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Yeah...4 way is still cool though. And the Trailblazer is a different > beast...and definately not a Coupe :) Nor is our sedan :) > How tall is your wife? 5' >> Doesn't make much sense to have to put an aftermarket seat cushion in a >> $29k top-of-the-line car. :( [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cars fault or too much to expect from a Honda Accord Coupe...or your wife > puts herslef too high in the seat.... She likes to seat herself high for visibility purposes rather than moving the seat as forward as possible. > If that is in any way the case, then you should make sure if she does the > same thing with the seat when she drives, the steering wheel is corretly > lined up with her chest or else she'll get a facefull of airbag or a > stomach full of it....it should be aimed at the chest, and she shouldn't > be too close to the wheel or have it telescoping out too far...thats > EXTREMELY dangerous. Exactly, which is why she would prefer to sit higher rather than further forward. At least Honda knew to make the driver's seat 8-way - why didn't they carry that over to the passenger side like one would expect?!? > That 1990 model Accord coupe had a 130 hp 4 and I had 5 speed manual which > I could use well. I have a 2002 Accord coupe (150hp 4, 5 speed). It works well for my needs, but I got the stripper model. I expected the wife's luxury model to be a little better appointed. >> Btw, I'm sure they sell the '08 Accord in the UK so they must have full >> power driver seats that would fit the passenger side of US cars - what >> are the chances for a retrofit? > > Good question....or else just get a nice pillow and be done with it. Shouldn't have to do those kind of things for a $29k car that's had several decades to get things right. > Seems that they could make it 4 way still, just make the front/back the > manual type with the lever under the front of the seat, and change 2 of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Bah...its a Coupe meant to be driven by single driver types IMHO.... No, it's a sedan. Where did you get that it was a coupe? > But I must admit that the back of the new Coupe is pretty dang big! > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Check the Owner's Manual and you'll see what I mean I think. I did all of that. Made sure the headrest was as the manual described. She hates it that way and would rather drive without it, whiplash be damned. > I for one think the new headrests are sweet...the hell with whiplash, > dude..and ever little close of the distance between the occupant's head > and headrest is critical when a rear end collision occurs. See above. >> Beware if you have long hair - you'll have to wear it down or in a bun on >> TOP of your head to be comfortable - ponytails not allowed in this car. > > Again...adjusted correctly, that should be resolved. Nope. >> It also seems odd that they don't have a hanging hook on the passenger >> side of the rear seat like they do on the drivers side. > > Again...single driver Coupe thinking I believe. Nope, it's a sedan. > But I tried to find what you meant..can't find a pic that explains what > you are talking about. > > What "hook" are you talking about...on the actual back of the seat itself? It's the hook for hanging clothes on, it's near the OS (grab) handle above the window. My wife travels for business a lot and appreciates extra hooks (like her Trailblazer had). Honda does not have their clothes-hanging bar available yet, so she is limited in carrying hanging clothes. > I gotta look at the back of my sedan's seats...I'll let you know whats > back there on mine. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Yeah...always the case, isn't it :) Her Trailblazer had everything she needed except a good ride, good economy and good stability in the wind, ice, etc. Those main things are why we traded down to the Accord. Btw, why doesn't Accord offer a trip computer that many cheaper models offer? She misses that, too. >We have the sedan EX-L. Power PASSENGER seat is ONLY available with the V6. >Had we realized it was so limited in it's power range, we would have stuck >with the four-cylinder that we originally wanted. Sucks to pay a $2500 >premium and not get what you were expecting, except worse mpg, higher >maintenance costs, poorer handling, etc. The V6 is limited in its power range? You have to be kidding. Mine can hit 100 mph in nothing flat if passing several cars. I have never owned a car with that much power, including a 1967 Pontiac GTO. >Her Trailblazer had everything she needed except a good ride, good economy >and good stability in the wind, ice, etc. Those main things are why we >traded down to the Accord. Btw, why doesn't Accord offer a trip computer >that many cheaper models offer? She misses that, too. My '03 with Nav shows: Real time MPG Average MPG Trip Miles Range (Miles to empty.) Estimated Time remaining Elapsed Time Average Speed Outside Temperature Calendar Caculator/Converter What more did you want? Dick SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>We have the sedan EX-L. Power PASSENGER seat is ONLY available with the >>V6. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > can hit 100 mph in nothing flat if passing several cars. I have never > owned a car with that much power, including a 1967 Pontiac GTO. Oh, it's got fantastic power and performance, I never said that it didn't. Just that the four-cylinder had all of the power that we needed, and it would have gotten better mpg, lower maintenance costs, better handling, etc. >>Her Trailblazer had everything she needed except a good ride, good economy >>and good stability in the wind, ice, etc. Those main things are why we [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > What more did you want? That's the problem - you have to get the NAV system to get a trip computer. She didn't want the NAV system as it would likely make her car sick from the screen motion on the dash. We already have a Nuvi for the nav stuff and she can just follow the voice prompts without having to look at it. >That's the problem - you have to get the NAV system to get a trip computer. >She didn't want the NAV system as it would likely make her car sick from the >screen motion on the dash. We already have a Nuvi for the nav stuff and she >can just follow the voice prompts without having to look at it. I was just responding to your statement that Honda doesn't offer a trip computer on the Accord. It does, you just have to buy the nav package to get it like you said. Tell your wife that NO ONE is more susceptible to motion sickness than me. There is no motion on the screen that would bring it on. Everything moves at a snail's pace. Personally, having once owned a car with nav, I would never own another without it. Of course I take a lot of trips. Dick SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>That's the problem - you have to get the NAV system to get a trip >>computer. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Personally, having once owned a car with nav, I would never own > another without it. Of course I take a lot of trips. Point taken on the Nav system. We already have an updated Nuvi that she has gotten used to and really likes, so purchasing the Nav system in the Accord seemed kinda pointless on top of taking the chance of a moving screen in the dash. >>>That's the problem - you have to get the NAV system to get a trip >>>computer. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >seemed kinda pointless on top of taking the chance of a moving screen in the >dash. Besides the navigation aspect of the nav system, it's kind of cool to be able to give the Honda over 160 voice commands for A/C, radio, etc. The built-in navi does so much more than an add-on system. For example, you could tell it (by voice) to find you the nearest Italian restaurant. Then you could tell it to call the restaurant using your bluetooth enabled cel phone. It's just an amazing system. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Besides the navigation aspect of the nav system, it's kind of cool to > be able to give the Honda over 160 voice commands for A/C, radio, etc. > The built-in navi does so much more than an add-on system. For > example, you could tell it (by voice) to find you the nearest Italian > restaurant. Then you could tell it to call the restaurant using your > bluetooth enabled cel phone. It's just an amazing system. That is amazing....but I didn't get one because I think I would have a wreck if I was driving and trying to navigate that screen. But I sure wouldn't deny that system if someone gave it to me free of charge!!!! Peace, Polfus >> Besides the navigation aspect of the nav system, it's kind of cool to >> be able to give the Honda over 160 voice commands for A/C, radio, etc. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Peace, >Polfus Once you set up where you want to go, the voice commands tell you everything you need to know. You don't have to look at the screen unless you want to. Dick SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Once you set up where you want to go, the voice commands tell you > everything you need to know. You don't have to look at the screen > unless you want to. > > Dick Okay..fine. With everyone reminding me about this, its safe to say everyone has now made me sorry I didn't get my '08 Accord with NAV. Everyone happy now? ; ) Peace, Polfus >> Besides the navigation aspect of the nav system, it's kind of cool to >> be able to give the Honda over 160 voice commands for A/C, radio, etc. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > That is amazing....but I didn't get one because I think I would have a wreck > if I was driving and trying to navigate that screen. Almost everything can be navigated by the sound of your voice. Navigating with your finger (touchscreen) can be done for example on the red light or when you stop for any other occasion... > But I sure wouldn't deny that system if someone gave it to me free of > charge!!!! This is exactly what happened to me when I was discussing an option to buy new 2007 accord back in May '07. When I was dissatisfied with the price of new EX-L coupe with no NAV the salesman offered selling me EX-LNAV for the price of EX-L without NAV. So you can definitelly get NAV for no cost when you buy new Accord if you bargain properly... :-) The trick did not work for me because I was just playing with this new accord - I was there to buy my 2004 EX-L coupe. >> That is amazing....but I didn't get one because I think I would have a >> wreck if I was driving and trying to navigate that screen. > > Almost everything can be navigated by the sound of your voice. > Navigating with your finger (touchscreen) can be done for example > on the red light or when you stop for any other occasion... I know...and I read in one ad that it has over 700 voice activated functions. Dude..thats like seriously having a conversation with the car...amazing. >> But I sure wouldn't deny that system if someone gave it to me free of >> charge!!!! [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > So you can definitelly get NAV for no cost when you buy new > Accord if you bargain properly... :-) \ No doubt. I just don't have those back and forth skills.. > The trick did not work for me because I was just playing with > this new accord - I was there to buy my 2004 EX-L coupe. Well...I bet you sure wouldn't deny a 2008 Accord EX-L Coupe either! Peace, Polfus > I know...and I read in one ad that it has over 700 voice activated > functions. > > Dude..thats like seriously having a conversation with the car...amazing. It is really cool, indeed. >> So you can definitelly get NAV for no cost when you buy new >> Accord if you bargain properly... :-) > > No doubt. I just don't have those back and forth skills.. I really did not have to go back and forth a lot... I just took the test drive in '07 EX-L with NAV and I shown the interest, shown I like the NAV. When back in the dealership from the test drive I was immediatelly talking about the price of EX-L without NAV comenting NAV is just a toy, and reacted with "too high" coment for the price I received for a car without NAV. This commen alone triggered dealer response: "how about a car with NAV for a price of a cheaper option?". Really no effort :-)) >> The trick did not work for me because I was just playing with >> this new accord - I was there to buy my 2004 EX-L coupe. > > Well...I bet you sure wouldn't deny a 2008 Accord EX-L Coupe either! My plan was to pay for a car with my money and new was 10 thousand more than the 2004 was. 04 looked and drove the same as 07 and at 38k miles it was really a nice car. Now it has almost 50k :-) >> Dude..thats like seriously having a conversation with the car...amazing. > > It is really cool, indeed. Man..you freaks are making me wish I had gotten one.. Then again..here in NYC...I thought it best to keep it plain on the inside...no need to tempt the theives. > I really did not have to go back and forth a lot... > I just took the test drive in '07 EX-L with NAV and I shown the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > This commen alone triggered dealer response: "how about > a car with NAV for a price of a cheaper option?". Really no effort :-)) Wait a minute...that sounds fishy. "For the price of a cheaper option"....what does that mean *exactly*? > My plan was to pay for a car with my money and new was 10 > thousand more than the 2004 was. Well thats a serious deterent right there...how much money you gots ta spend. > 04 looked and drove the same as 07 and at 38k miles it was really a nice > car. No doubt...that sounds like you got a good deal. Plus difference between 2004 and 2007..yeah..I hear you..basically the same. >Now it has almost 50k :-) ! Peace, Polfus > Wait a minute...that sounds fishy. > > "For the price of a cheaper option"....what does that mean *exactly*? Well... EX-L without NAV is a cheaper option to buy Accord than EX-L with NAV, isn't it? >> Wait a minute...that sounds fishy. >> >> "For the price of a cheaper option"....what does that mean *exactly*? > > Well... EX-L without NAV is a cheaper option to buy Accord > than EX-L with NAV, isn't it? Sure..and I'm not an idiot, dude. It just seems that the wording may have meant he would have charged you *something* ...just not a lot. To my mind, at least..otherwise he would have said "Yeah..I'll get you one with NAV for same price as without". "For the price of a cheaper option" doesn't seem to be saying the same thing. Anyway...regardless....congrats on your Accord. Peace, Polfus > It just seems that the wording may have meant he would have charged you > *something* ...just not a lot. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > "For the price of a cheaper option" doesn't seem to be saying the same > thing. Well, I was quoting from memory - the bottom line is that we were discussing two EX-L cars and it was clear I could get EX-L for the price of EX-LNAV. > Anyway...regardless....congrats on your Accord. Thanks. >> It just seems that the wording may have meant he would have charged you >> *something* ...just not a lot. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > we were discussing two EX-L cars and it was clear I could > get EX-L for the price of EX-LNAV. Well..then I wish I had your car deler when I was shopping :) >> Anyway...regardless....congrats on your Accord. > > Thanks. You using Mobile 1 or the like? I use it exclusively, so I can't wait until the first oil change is due after the first, original factory one. Peace, Polfus >> Well, I was quoting from memory - the bottom line is that >> we were discussing two EX-L cars and it was clear I could [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I use it exclusively, so I can't wait until the first oil change is due > after the first, original factory one. Yes, I am paying 3x as much to get synthetic oil at honda dealer. I need to switch to do it myself, but I am not sure how might this impact my "honda care" extended warranty... BTW - I got the invitation recently for a 50000 miles maintenance work to the dealer - do you guys know what can be expected from such a service on the 2004 accord 4-cyl EX-L ? >>> Well, I was quoting from memory - the bottom line is that >>> we were discussing two EX-L cars and it was clear I could [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> I use it exclusively, so I can't wait until the first oil change is due >> after the first, original factory one. >Yes, I am paying 3x as much to get synthetic oil at honda dealer. >I need to switch to do it myself, but I am not sure how might this >impact my "honda care" extended warranty... >BTW - I got the invitation recently for a 50000 miles maintenance >work to the dealer - do you guys know what can be expected >from such a service on the 2004 accord 4-cyl EX-L ? Why don't you just ask the neighbor's kid to read the maintenance schedule for you? >>BTW - I got the invitation recently for a 50000 miles maintenance >>work to the dealer - do you guys know what can be expected >>from such a service on the 2004 accord 4-cyl EX-L ? > > Why don't you just ask the neighbor's kid to read the maintenance schedule > for you? Here's a better newsgroup for you, fruitcake: alt.dumbasslosersthatthinktheyarefunnybutarereallyanasshole Polfus >>>BTW - I got the invitation recently for a 50000 miles maintenance >>>work to the dealer - do you guys know what can be expected >>>from such a service on the 2004 accord 4-cyl EX-L ? >> >> Why don't you just ask the neighbor's kid to read the maintenance schedule >> for you? >Here's a better newsgroup for you, fruitcake: Neighbors kid couldn't stop laughing at you? Why don't you just read it yourself? >>>>BTW - I got the invitation recently for a 50000 miles maintenance >>>>work to the dealer - do you guys know what can be expected [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Neighbors kid couldn't stop laughing at you? Why don't you just > read it yourself? Hey you dumb son of a bitch...you don't even know who you are talking to, and you obviously have no reading skills as well. I am not the original poster, you dumbass! You don't leave much room to get any more stupid. You cut on others and yet you can't even read properly. LOL! You could shut the f.ck up and I *guarantee* no one be upset, nor miss you one bit. Polfus > Yes, I am paying 3x as much to get synthetic oil at honda dealer. > I need to switch to do it myself, but I am not sure how might this > impact my "honda care" extended warranty... Their Owner's Manual says that if you change it yourself, just keep records of it in the seperate record book that comes with the car. I would keep all receipts, and just document the required info at change time. The manual says it will NOT void any warranty, unless of course they can prove you did something wrong..like not putting a *new* oil bolt-washer thingie back on, or use wrong formula/weight oil, or something like that. I will be changing the first one myself, no doubt. Second one too when oil filter needed. Other stuff like fluids we should always check ourselves. Brake fluid should be done by someone that knows how, and I could do it, but what a pain it is and I might screw it up easily. Etc... > BTW - I got the invitation recently for a 50000 miles maintenance > work to the dealer - do you guys know what can be expected > from such a service on the 2004 accord 4-cyl EX-L ? Fluid checks, tire check/rotation, oil/filter change if needed, shocks check, timing? perhaps, put on the Dyne Im sure...who knows especially since its out of warranty, except if has used car one. Most likely you'll pay for everything on the "service" appointment. Best thing really is to call 'em, ask fer Service Dept., and ask 'em...everything else is a guess really. Peace, Polfus >> Yes, I am paying 3x as much to get synthetic oil at honda dealer. >> I need to switch to do it myself, but I am not sure how might this [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > be done by someone that knows how, and I could do it, but what a pain it is > and I might screw it up easily. Etc... I saw the manual but I was wondering if somebody here has first hand experience in usung this honda care warranty and if they did not give hard time because oil changes were done not in the shop. >> BTW - I got the invitation recently for a 50000 miles maintenance >> work to the dealer - do you guys know what can be expected [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Best thing really is to call 'em, ask fer Service Dept., and ask > 'em...everything else is a guess really. I called them, and the person faxed me a list. They call it "Minor Maintenance Package", cost is $138 + tax. This is the list: - Oil & filter change - Scope engine (check timing & carb.) - Inspect & top off all fluid levels - Inspect, clean & adjust brakes - Rotate tires, check pressure - Inspect transmission (adjust clutch for manual trans models) - Inspect suspension system - Inspect steering system - Safety inspection - Check battery charge level/battery cable condition - Perform final road testing > I saw the manual but I was wondering if somebody here > has first hand experience in usung this honda care warranty > and if they did not give hard time because oil changes were > done not in the shop. Well I called Honda directly and asked them. Regardless....they don't care apparently as long as you keep records of it, and receipts don't hurt either to prove it. Call Honda USA yourself for peace of mind... 1-800-999-1009. >> Best thing really is to call 'em, ask fer Service Dept., and ask >> 'em...everything else is a guess really. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > - Check battery charge level/battery cable condition > - Perform final road testing There you go... Peace, Polfus >> Wait a minute...that sounds fishy. >> >> "For the price of a cheaper option"....what does that mean *exactly*? > > Well... EX-L without NAV is a cheaper option to buy Accord > than EX-L with NAV, isn't it? Around $2,000... >>We have the sedan EX-L. Power PASSENGER seat is ONLY available with the >>V6. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > can hit 100 mph in nothing flat if passing several cars. I have never > owned a car with that much power, including a 1967 Pontiac GTO. Oops! I see where you read me wrong. I meant that the passenger SEAT was so limited in its power range. >> What am I missing? > > We have the sedan EX-L. Power PASSENGER seat is ONLY available with the > V6. Sorry..I understand now..I thought you had the coupe, but I confused you with another poster..senile moment, no doubt :) nd I sure do wish my EX had some power passenger seats..but then again, I don't *expect* it to. IO still haven't even checked..I wonder if it has a manual height adjust? I don't think so, but Im gonna check anyway...its in the parking lot and not right outside or else I would have checked already... > Had we realized it was so limited in it's power range, we would have stuck > with the four-cylinder that we originally wanted. Sucks to pay a $2500 > premium and not get what you were expecting, except worse mpg, higher > maintenance costs, poorer handling, etc. Yeah..you would think that a Honda V6 would be killer since thats what they use in Cart racing/Grand Prix/Daytona 500, etc... ( Steve Martin voice on ) "But..NOOOOOO!" Its like its a cheap V4 or something...disappointing especially after one drives the 190 hp 4 cyl and realizes the difference in the two is not what one would expect. >> Aren't coupes like an Accord puts out supposed to be about a single >> driver pretty much? > > This is the sedan. Four door. Family car. Again...my bad..sorry...wrong model :) >> Yeah...4 way is still cool though. And the Trailblazer is a different >> beast...and definately not a Coupe :) > > Nor is our sedan :) Aarrrggg! >> How tall is your wife? > > 5' See..there it is..I knew it...IMHO, your expectations might be high because 5' is short, man! But still..if you got the cash, and the will...try to get you a European Honda seat if you can't live with a pillow. Lemme know how much they quote you for when you find out, if you go that route. > She likes to seat herself high for visibility purposes rather than moving > the seat as forward as possible. Yeah...I understand. But I meant that Honda could re-allocate the controls..still have the 4 way in the passenger, but make one of the dual controls for height, and change the front/back dual button to the standard manual lever under the seat. > Exactly, which is why she would prefer to sit higher rather than further > forward. At least Honda knew to make the driver's seat 8-way - why didn't > they carry that over to the passenger side like one would expect?!? You got me, my man...maybe they don't consider the passenger's height will be 5', or that one would need to sit so high in the seat. And to be accurate, the drivers is actually only 6 way...the 7 and 8th way is just the lumbar support button! So..6 way...up/down/front/back/seat up/seat back down. > I have a 2002 Accord coupe (150hp 4, 5 speed). It works well for my > needs, but I got the stripper model. I expected the wife's luxury model > to be a little better appointed. Hey man....I understand. Especially since it wouldn't cost THAT much more to include the height adjustment. Probably some survey that they did also showed passengers don't care as much about that feature, so maybe thats why they didn't include it? Just a guess...remember, I too wish my EX had the power seat for the passenger as well..and no doubt 6 or 8 way would be killer. >> Good question....or else just get a nice pillow and be done with it. > > Shouldn't have to do those kind of things for a $29k car that's had > several decades to get things right. Yeah..or else your wife's needs aren't the same as the general buying demographic? I am playing devil's advocate here...maybe your expectations are too much as well, because there aren't that many adults 5' or less. See what I mean? I AM NOT YOUR DEALER OR ENEMY..I am simply trying to let you understand that your specific complaint would be like me saying the car is too small because I am 6'7"...well....maybe Honda doesn't build cars for folks that are 6'7"...see what I am getting at? Here's another thought, or guess, really" Maybe having a seat height adjustment would put people too high in the seat for the passenger air bag to deploy in the correct line of trajectory? Regardless...would be real nice if Honda made it an OPTION...let the buyer choose, right?!! Unless again...its got something to do with the air bag? > No, it's a sedan. Where did you get that it was a coupe? Again, sorry..I thought you were another poster using a different email account here...my fault. I understand that you have a sedan! :) > I did all of that. Made sure the headrest was as the manual described. > She hates it that way and would rather drive without it, whiplash be > damned. She wouldn't say that if she got a real case of whiplash, I guarantee you. >> I for one think the new headrests are sweet...the hell with whiplash, >> dude..and ever little close of the distance between the occupant's head [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Nope. Well....I don't understand unless you sit up so straight that you drive with your head almost or touching the headrest? I mean..there *IS* room behind your head if its adjusted properly...take a pic of what its doing and post it if you can! > It's the hook for hanging clothes on, it's near the OS (grab) handle above > the window. My wife travels for business a lot and appreciates extra > hooks (like her Trailblazer had). Honda does not have their > clothes-hanging bar available yet, so she is limited in carrying hanging > clothes. Gotcha...but you can still use the grab handles if needed, no? I wonder if the dealer can install one? > Her Trailblazer had everything she needed except a good ride, good economy > and good stability in the wind, ice, etc. Those main things are why we > traded down to the Accord. Btw, why doesn't Accord offer a trip computer > that many cheaper models offer? She misses that, too. Mine has one doesn't it? What are you referring to exactly, as far as features of a trip computer? Peace, Polfus I hope lack of a seat height adjustment for the passenger, lack of a rear passenger seat clothes hook, and lack of a trip computer degrade your ultimate pleasure of owning the nicest Honda Accord ever built! There are SOOO many new features that are at work that you don't even see that make your car *excellent*. "Polfus" wrote in message... >> Had we realized it was so limited in it's power range, we would have >> stuck with the four-cylinder that we originally wanted. Sucks to pay a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > drives the 190 hp 4 cyl and realizes the difference in the two is not what > one would expect. We have a road leading into our neighborhood that's posted 50mph for about eight miles. The V6 seems to be wandering through different cylinder modes on this road at this speed and it gives the car a funny feeling. > Mine has one doesn't it? What are you referring to exactly, as far as > features of a trip computer? Something that gives you remaining miles left on your tank of gas (that's what she really misses, although I'm trying to get her to use her tripmeter to essentially tell her the same thing). They also have other stuff like instantaneous mpg readout that we don't really use, but she really wants the 'remaining miles' feature. > I hope lack of a seat height adjustment for the passenger, lack of a rear > passenger seat clothes hook, and lack of a trip computer degrade your > ultimate pleasure of owning the nicest Honda Accord ever built! There are > SOOO many new features that are at work that you don't even see that make > your car *excellent*. Oh, don't get me wrong, we love the car. It's just the little detail things that really bug us with what would otherwise be a nearly perfect vehicle. With any luck, someone at Honda is listening and will add these features to the next-gen Accord and we will trade up then. Otherwise, she may be looking at toyota or (aaack!) gm again down the road. > We have the sedan EX-L. Power PASSENGER seat is ONLY available with the V6. > Had we realized it was so limited in it's power range, we would have stuck > with the four-cylinder that we originally wanted. Sucks to pay a $2500 > premium and not get what you were expecting, except worse mpg, higher > maintenance costs, poorer handling, etc. You did not have a chance to test drive the vehicle before buying? Did not test the sits? Why? If they were so important to you ? > Shouldn't have to do those kind of things for a $29k car that's had several > decades to get things right. It is kind of funny when you are ungry on a manufacturer instead of being ungry for yourself for not testing if the car is right for you. > It's the hook for hanging clothes on, it's near the OS (grab) handle above > the window. My wife travels for business a lot and appreciates extra hooks > (like her Trailblazer had). Honda does not have their clothes-hanging bar > available yet, so she is limited in carrying hanging clothes. I am starting to think you got this car on eBay and did not have a chance to look at it before paying :-))) Your complaints are rediculus - you decided to buy a car you did not liked and now everybody else is guilty but you ? I am sure the demo you were testdriving did not have this hook either... > Her Trailblazer had everything she needed except a good ride, good economy > and good stability in the wind, ice, etc. Those main things are why we > traded down to the Accord. Btw, why doesn't Accord offer a trip computer > that many cheaper models offer? She misses that, too. It has two trip computers. Press the button and switch the display between them. |
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