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Car Forum / Honda Cars / December 2007

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2008 Accord EX-L Sedan

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alfred - 05 Nov 2007 23:27 GMT
Hi,

I went to look at Accords at a dealer yesterday. Looks like they can offer
me a fairly good deal. I would be trading in my 3 year old car for a 2008
EX-L Sedan auto. Then put down $1,500.00 I noticed a couple of things. The
Accords no longer have LED tail lights, and the back seat area is much
roomier. The monthly payment with everything including tax would be
$374.00/mo. The EX sedan would be $339.00 with the same terms. 36 month 12k
mi/yr.

I also found that the insurance is less than my current car, and the payment
would be 50.00 more a month than I pay now on a much lower model thats 3
years old. The gas usage difference would end up costing me only $3.00 more
per week than a civic ex.

I was originally looking at the coupes but they told me that they are in
smaller supply and somehow the payments wouldnt work as well into this. I'm
ready to take them up on it in a few days.

Any thoughts on this deal?

Thanks,
tww1491 - 06 Nov 2007 00:06 GMT
> Hi,
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> Thanks,

You don't whether the car is an I4 or a V6.  Sounds like a lease... trade?
jazu - 06 Nov 2007 07:51 GMT
I'd rather go with V6

> Hi,
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> Thanks,
alfred - 07 Nov 2007 02:20 GMT
Okay to clarify, I have a lease now and I would be breaking it 4 months
early. The new car is a lease also. V6...good if you don't mind spending
alot on gas. I'd rather get the I4.

> I'd rather go with V6
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>> Thanks,
Art - 07 Nov 2007 17:40 GMT
Unless you have money to burn keep the old car and save a down payment to
purchase your next car and keep it for at least 7 years.

> Okay to clarify, I have a lease now and I would be breaking it 4 months
> early. The new car is a lease also. V6...good if you don't mind spending
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>>> Thanks,
Bob - 07 Nov 2007 02:59 GMT
>I'd rather go with V6

See if you think the same when gas hits $4 a gallon.
Dick - 07 Nov 2007 04:28 GMT
>>I'd rather go with V6
>>
>See if you think the same when gas hits $4 a gallon.

The V-6 is EPA rated at 19/29.  The I-4 is EPA rated at 21/31.  Do you
really think that 2 mpg difference is going to break the bank?  Even
at $4 per gallon?   That amounts to $4.40 on a 500 mile trip.  If so,
I would go for a Civic or a Prius.  I would much rather have the V-6
for highway travel in an Accord.  Our '03 V-6 regularly gives us 34
mpg on the road.  

Dick

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alfred - 08 Nov 2007 04:27 GMT
Well you have a point there but I cannot afford to get the exl and the v6 so
if given a choice, i'd rather have the exl than just the v6 by it self. I
keep my ac on all the time even with the heat, do 50% city driving and tend
to drive 65-70mph so my mpg is probably a little lower than yours is. With
my 2005 I4 accord I average combined mpg of 23-24 mpg. I dont think that the
gas will go up to 4 dollars a gallon, but it will be up there.

> The V-6 is EPA rated at 19/29.  The I-4 is EPA rated at 21/31.  Do you
> really think that 2 mpg difference is going to break the bank?  Even
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> Dick
tww1491 - 10 Nov 2007 14:01 GMT
>>>I'd rather go with V6
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> Dick

The V6 would be more expensive to maintain in the long run, despite the
small difference between the I4 in gas economy. The I4, for example, does
not require a belt change since it has a chain.
alfred - 10 Nov 2007 14:28 GMT
Yes I heard that the I4 has the timing chain, but I thought that belt or
chain, they all had to be changed at around 120,000 miles. My serpentine
belt in my 2005 Accord I4 ex went at about 30k miles.

> The V6 would be more expensive to maintain in the long run, despite the
> small difference between the I4 in gas economy. The I4, for example, does
> not require a belt change since it has a chain.
Polfus - 13 Nov 2007 01:54 GMT
> The V6 would be more expensive to maintain in the long run, despite the
> small difference between the I4 in gas economy. The I4, for example, does
> not require a belt change since it has a chain.

Aye.

Peace,
Polfus
Polfus - 01 Dec 2007 04:22 GMT
>>I'd rather go with V6
>>
> See if you think the same when gas hits $4 a gallon.

Its almost there a month later....man this sucks a.s to have gas so damn
expensive.

The new Honda Accord can take $40 easy on empty tank here in NYC...holy
krist thats crazy.

I got the 4 cyl. 190 hp one for the gas milage as well...

Peace,
Polfus
alfred - 03 Dec 2007 02:15 GMT
> The new Honda Accord can take $40 easy on empty tank here in NYC...holy
> krist thats crazy.
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> Peace,
> Polfus

Actually its 200 HP, Honda rated it at 190 HP from what I was told in order
to give lower insurance ratings. Gas MPG is around 25 mpg for all general
combined driving provided you dont rev it too much. Here in RI a full tank
will cost $56.42, for regular unleaded so thats not too good. I would assume
the 268 HP V6 would use more gas though.
Al - 03 Dec 2007 02:34 GMT
> Actually its 200 HP, Honda rated it at 190 HP from what I was told in order
> to give lower insurance ratings. Gas MPG is around 25 mpg for all general
> combined driving provided you dont rev it too much. Here in RI a full tank
> will cost $56.42, for regular unleaded so thats not too good. I would assume
> the 268 HP V6 would use more gas though.

Gee, I hope no one from the insurance dept reads your post and finds out
that the wool has been pulled over their eyes.  Now that your source has
leaked this Honda fraud, and you made it public, all of our insurance
rates might get raised.
Polfus - 05 Dec 2007 05:23 GMT
"Al" <al@spamless.com> wrote

> Gee, I hope no one from the insurance dept reads your post and finds out
> that the wool has been pulled over their eyes.  Now that your source has
> leaked this Honda fraud, and you made it public, all of our insurance
> rates might get raised.

Nah....everything is fine.

Peace,
Polfus
Polfus - 05 Dec 2007 05:44 GMT
> Actually its 200 HP, Honda rated it at 190 HP from what I was told in
> order to give lower insurance ratings.

I believe its 190@ 7000rpm just like it says.  I read in Motor Trend ( Oct
2007 ) where *they* reported it at "...200 horsepower at 7000 and 170 pound
feet at 4500 ( EX versions )" ( pg.66 ).  However, the 2008 USA Honda Accord
brochure says 190hp @ 7000 and 162 pound feet at 4400. Motor Trend didn't
put it on the dyno, I'm sure...so I always wondered if its 190 or 200...the
way it feels to me is like its 190 or so.

Which is still *very* powerful, man....my older 5 speed manual '90 Accord
coupe had 130 hp and 145 pound feet, and I could make myself sink back in
the seat easy with that puppy. It was a blast, and still is very quick off
theline ( drove it recently when I went to my buddy's with my new one..he
bought my other one in 2001 ). So the new Accord at 190-200hp and 165-170
pound feet is *NICE*, especially considering its a small in-line 4 cyl.!!!
Viva Honda racing, my man...it trickles down to the consumer eventually :)

The point here?

Its that 190 hp is FINE with me...especially since it sure feels like a
kicker when its rpms kick in. And that I will take the advantage of
insurance ratings as a plus.

But remember its also classified as a full size sedan now, so that costs
more money for insurance. Furthermore, Honda has included *many* features
that *lower* our insurance costs, which is also a plus that I'm glad to have
available...4 total safety features that save us money in insurance. Dropped
my insurance $165 every 6 months. Awesome.

I wish I had a manual, but in NYC area, I need an auto because in and out of
1st/2nd gear constantly in traffic is really a pain in the a...and I am
starting to appreciate the SMOOTH delivery of the engine's power-line...its
surely different than a manual's ability if you are able to use the gears,
but its a nice one regardless of the fact its an automatic.

Then again..I think the new engine and the way its set up requires a little
rethinking on our part as well... It sure is a different beast. Some Toyota
Camerys are very powerful, and man they are smooth when you put your foot in
it...but thats a whole other feel as well.

The way the Honda Accord feels....thats something that no other car
manufacturer on the planet has...that really ..heck..I don't know how to
describe it.

>Gas MPG is around 25 mpg for all general combined driving provided you dont
>rev it too much. Here in RI a full tank will cost $56.42, for regular
>unleaded so thats not too good.

Aarrgg..no doubt.

> I would assume the 268 HP V6 would use more gas though.

It does...21/31 for the 4cyl. in both auto and 5 speed manual vs. 19/29 for
the V6 in the sedan, in automatic option only.

In the V6 Coupe, its 5 speed automatic gets 19/28, but the *6* speed manual
gets 17/25.

So yeah...

Peace,
Polfus
MLD - 04 Dec 2007 20:11 GMT
> >>I'd rather go with V6
> >>
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> Peace,
> Polfus

Cut your costs--fill it up when the tank is only 1/2 empty
Polfus - 05 Dec 2007 05:27 GMT
>> The new Honda Accord can take $40 easy on empty tank here in NYC...holy
>> krist thats crazy.
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>>
> Cut your costs--fill it up when the tank is only 1/2 empty

That's a good idea, especially since it is supposed to get better gas milage
with a full tank.

Why is that..any idea?

Peace,
Polfus

[ Downside...your way, have to fill it up twice as often :)  ]
 
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