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Car Forum / Honda Cars / December 2007no start 89 honda civic 1.5
The car has 230,000 miles on the body and 130,000 on replaced SOHC1.5 Dual Point Injected . While driving the car began to miss, it was parked for a day then it wouldnt start. 5 months later i replaced the fuel filter and put in some new plugs and it started and ran well for about 30minutes then it bogged down and died again, any ideas? maybe just old gas, on high mileage car with an old fuel tank... 1983TRT@gmail.com wrote in news:eb0d1d4e-4b40-4120-ac74-aa70fae00d93 @o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com: > The car has 230,000 miles on the body and 130,000 on replaced SOHC1.5 > Dual Point Injected . While driving the car began to miss, it was > parked for a day then it wouldnt start. 5 months later i replaced the > fuel filter and put in some new plugs and it started and ran well for > about 30minutes then it bogged down and died again, any ideas? > maybe just old gas, on high mileage car with an old fuel tank... Got spark?  SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > 1983TRT@gmail.com wrote in news:eb0d1d4e-4b40-4120-ac74-aa70fae00d93 > @o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Got spark? Sorta sounds like a dying coil.. JT > 1983...@gmail.com wrote in news:eb0d1d4e-4b40-4120-ac74-aa70fae00d93 > @o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > The UnofficialHonda/Acura FAQwww.tegger.com/hondafaq/ yeah i have spark on all the plugs > 1983...@gmail.com wrote in news:eb0d1d4e-4b40-4120-ac74-aa70fae00d93 > @o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > The UnofficialHonda/Acura FAQwww.tegger.com/hondafaq/ also, when trying to pull out the primary ingector for a visual check i broke off the plastic connector, i have that replaced with a remanufactured one..., when i pulled off the old fuel filter i dumped it out and dark brown gas came out, im still thinking there is some crap in the tank from being run on empty to many times, so i put the backend of the car on jacks and lowered the fuel tank and drained the old gas which came out very yellow, and took off the fuel line that goes to the filter from the tank and disconnected the connection at the filter and used compressed air to blow that line out of any buildup, there were some small particles that came out that like dust . now after reading almost everything on your website im starting to worry that it might not be anything related with the fuel system at all. when i turn the ignition on i can hear the fuel pump turn on , so idont know, the ingector cost me 80bucks for that mistake, its probably something simple right, i was thinking that maybe the filter on the fuel pump might be clogged up, after 230,000miles thanks for your response! >> 1983...@gmail.com wrote in news:eb0d1d4e-4b40-4120-ac74-aa70fae00d93 >> @o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > thanks for your response! open the air bleed plug at the top of the filter and turn the ignition on - if the pump's pumping, you'll get plenty of gas out. next time, unless one is /known/ to have failed, never touch the injectors on the dpfi - they're ultra reliable. and removal requires a special puller to get them out without damage. next step is look for stored codes on the ecu - report back accordingly. also how old are the plugs? are they bosch? if so, replace with oem ngk plugs - my experience with bosch is exactly as you describe - work fine one day, will even spark out of the car, but the car will /never/ start. toss them out and replace. do the same for the plug leads too while you're at it. only use honda oem or the expensive high quality coiled core leads from ngk or magnecor. make sure the leads are on in the right order - it's not unknown for the neighbor kids to mess things about. > >> 1983...@gmail.com wrote in news:eb0d1d4e-4b40-4120-ac74-aa70fae00d93 > >> @o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > - Show quoted text - right now the battery is on charge, but the plugs are brand new ngk i will get the battery back in and check for codes soon loose duece <1983TRT@gmail.com> wrote in news:49a751f0-c440-4169-a714- 97dd9553876f@w28g2000hsf.googlegroups.com: >> 1983...@gmail.com wrote in news:eb0d1d4e-4b40-4120-ac74-aa70fae00d93 >> @o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > buildup, there were some small particles that came out that like > dust . With your decription of the gas, I'd say you have a fuel problem, all right. Brown and yellow gas doesn't burn particularly well. If the spark is nice and blue, it's fine. And you should be able to find decent injectors at a local wreckers for a lot less than $80. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > loose duece <1983...@gmail.com> wrote in news:49a751f0-c440-4169-a714- > 97dd95538...@w28g2000hsf.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > - Show quoted text - most wreckers want to keep the injectors with the engines, and arent willing to sell them seperatly, in the greater Dallas area i couldnt get a single yard to let me pull one. so, i guess its a fuel pump. i think that it might be worth totally disconnecting the tank, >> loose duece <1983...@gmail.com> wrote in >> news:49a751f0-c440-4169-a714- [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > worth totally > disconnecting the tank, This will not be "worth it" until after you have checked/replace a number of other, much easier to check items. I base this on the many reports of no start here and their remedy. Rarely has the problem been the fuel pump. You need to check the items listed at Tegger's site. E.g. -- check the main relay. See Tegger's site for quick ways to diagnose this. -- Are ignition parts (wires, plugs, distributor rotor and cap) OEM? Yup they cost more. That's because they last way longer. I say this as a cheapskate who learned the hard way. Check the wires' resistance. Car sounds like it's due for a tuneup, anyway. -- Put a bottle of Chevron Techron fuel system cleaner into a near empty tank, filled the tank, and run? You have an old car with an engine with an unknown history. You want to start with as clean a slate as possible when diagnosing, and one that has to be cleaned anyway for optimal operation. > >> loose duece <1983...@gmail.com> wrote in > >> news:49a751f0-c440-4169-a714- [quoted text clipped - 92 lines] > > - Show quoted text - when i replaced the fuel pump before i checked and all the plugs had spark, now NO SPARK...the plugs are new the cables have little resistance none over 14000ohms, the distributor is in good shape and so is the rotor(they look like new but probly not OEM), i found the elusive Main relay and it passed the 3 click test, i tested the ignitor and on the white wire i couldnt get continuity from the white to ground, my book says to look for an open on the white wire or check for ground on G101 and G151, but i cant seem to find G101 or g151 ,and the white leads to the ECU if im not mistaken but no visible open, the ground on the thermostat is solid and uncorroded, a new dist cap and rotor might do the trick so i will go to get those tonight anyways thanks for all the constructive criticsm, the quest continues, this forum discussion board is so nice to fall back on ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,thanks all! > > "loose duece" <1983...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 115 lines] > > - Show quoted text - ok so new distcap and rotor, still no spark??? > > > "loose duece" <1983...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 119 lines] > > - Show quoted text - okay just threw on some good working cables and no spark, so its either the coil or the igniter right? > okay just threw on some good working cables and no spark, > so its > either the coil or the igniter right? Unless some non-OEM part is not working, then I would next check the coil and igniter. Use Tegger's site http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/faq.html#startrun for tips on checking each, plus the several free online manuals for your 89 Civic, like at autozone.com and http://www.honda.co.uk/car/owner/workshop.html >>>>>> loose duece <1983...@gmail.com> wrote in >>>>>> news:49a751f0-c440-4169-a714- [quoted text clipped - 98 lines] > okay just threw on some good working cables and no spark, so its > either the coil or the igniter right? check out the igniter pages at tegger.com. > >>>>>> loose duece <1983...@gmail.com> wrote in > >>>>>> news:49a751f0-c440-4169-a714- [quoted text clipped - 102 lines] > > - Show quoted te i have an 90 honda civic Shop Service Mnual and im going through the test... >>>>>>>> loose duece <1983...@gmail.com> wrote in >>>>>>>> news:49a751f0-c440-4169-a714- [quoted text clipped - 102 lines] > i have an 90 honda civic Shop Service Mnual and im going through the > test... here are some relevant topics on which the manual is insufficient. 1. main relay - you still need to pull it and check it. 2. igniter testing. 3. coil testing. that's why those of us with experience in this stuff refer you to the collective knowledge contained in tegger.com. or you can keep wasting your [our] f.cking time. your call. > >>>>>>>> loose duece <1983...@gmail.com> wrote in > >>>>>>>> news:49a751f0-c440-4169-a714- [quoted text clipped - 114 lines] > > - Show quoted text - yes i have been reading the f.cking tegger page , im working on it, sorry to waste your f.cking time! > yes i have been reading the f.cking tegger page , im > working on it, > sorry to waste your f.cking time! Just sharing opinions. The shop manual is helpful for coil and igniter diagnostics. So is Tegger's site. Use both, afaic. Your 90 Civic manual may not nail exactly your 89 Civic. Maybe skim the 89 Civic CRX manual at the UK site, for one. Elle Original owner, 91 Civic, with its igniter, coil, and distributor housing all replaced at least once by yours truly, with help from this group and the manual (Tegger's site did not have info on this then). >> loose duece <1983...@gmail.com> wrote in news:49a751f0-c440-4169-a714- >> 97dd95538...@w28g2000hsf.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > so, i guess its a fuel pump. i think that it might be worth totally > disconnecting the tank, see if it will pump through the bleed before you do that. absolutely no point doing work based on guesses - be sure of your diagnosis first. |
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