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Car Forum / Honda Cars / December 2007First Oil Change Suggestions
Hello, On my sister's 08 Accord she is almost at the point of her first oil change. I'm going to wait until between 15-20% to change it but I'm wondering should I use a dino oil on this change or a synthetic blend before going fully synthetic. Also should I have one more additional change after this one with the dino or synthetic blend or will one be enough? Thanks, Nick On Dec 9, 9:23 am, n...@nowhere.com wrote: > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Thanks, > Nick Nick: go with the synthetic blend for the first one and then go full synthetic there after, i can tell you that i have NEVER had any internal engine problems with using synthetic oil with routine changes. also with the vehicle think about using a K&N air filter for better engine breathing and about twice a year spray and clean out the air intake. Bentracer and Bentrider <lowbike1@comcast.net> wrote in news:952dd8e2-6288- 487d-af00-6126fac92935@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com: > also with the vehicle think about using a K&N air filter for better > engine breathing Think about it, then think again... http://home.stny.rr.com/jbplock/ISO5011/SPICER.htm > and about twice a year spray and clean out the air > intake. You don't "spray" the "intake", you swab the throttle body clean. The two are not the same thing. And it only needs to be done once per year if you drive a lot, every two years if you drive less.  SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > Think about it, then think again... > http://home.stny.rr.com/jbplock/ISO5011/SPICER.htm !!! >> and about twice a year spray and clean out the air >> intake. > > You don't "spray" the "intake", you swab the throttle body clean. The two > are not the same thing. And it only needs to be done once per year if you > drive a lot, every two years if you drive less. Just wanted to say that I think thats a cool website for info. It mirrors some of the stuff I've been telling people for years! Even though you took it over, I still like it and appreciate the link...full of awesome info. Much to read! Peace, Polfus >> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > Even though you took it over, I still like it and appreciate the link... That's really got to make Tegger feel good... ;-) "Howard Lester" <heylester@dakotacom.net> wrote in news:13lpa20mve5nc88 @corp.supernews.com: >>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > >> Even though you took it over, I still like it and appreciate the link... > > That's really got to make Tegger feel good... ;-) John Ings passed away of lung cancer a short while after he asked me to take over the site for him. He asked me to assume care of the site because he knew the end was coming. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >>> Even though you took it over, I still like it and appreciate the link... >> >> That's really got to make Tegger feel good... ;-) > John Ings passed away of lung cancer a short while after he asked me to > take over the site for him. He asked me to assume care of the site because > he knew the end was coming. That IS sad, and we thank you for taking it over. What I was addressing was Polfus intimating that "despite you taking it over" he likes it anyway. I don't think he/she meant it, but it was languaged that way. >>>> Even though you took it over, I still like it and appreciate the >>>> link... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > likes it anyway. I don't think he/she meant it, but it was languaged > that way. I found Polfus's statement kind of funny, actually. I went through a few drafts of a reply before I decided to get serious because I didn't know what else to say. His reply reminded me of an old Dilbert comic where the characters had to go through one of those corporate "team building" exercises. This exercise had to do with being required to say something nice about one of your co-workers whom you didn't really like. The strip has Wally saying to Alice, "In spite of your leathery skin, I admire your co-workers". SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > I found Polfus's statement kind of funny, actually. I went through a few > drafts of a reply before I decided to get serious because I didn't know [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > co-workers whom you didn't really like. The strip has Wally saying to > Alice, "In spite of your leathery skin, I admire your co-workers". Heh..well I didn't mean it like that at all..I just knew you didn't *create* the site, so thats why I said it. "What are words for, when no one listens anymore.." :) Peace, Polfus >>>> Even though you took it over, I still like it and appreciate the >>>> link... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > was Polfus intimating that "despite you taking it over" he likes it > anyway. I don't think he/she meant it, but it was languaged that way. ??? How you thought that is wild... No..I know that the site wasn't Teggar's creation, so thats why I said what I did. Peace, Polfus > "Howard Lester" <heylester@dakotacom.net> wrote in news:13lpa20mve5nc88 > @corp.supernews.com: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > take over the site for him. He asked me to assume care of the site because > he knew the end was coming. Thats terrible...may he R.I.P.. Peace, Polfus > On Dec 9, 9:23 am, n...@nowhere.com wrote: >> Hello, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > engine breathing and about twice a year spray and clean out the air > intake. With a Japanese car, unless you use salad oil-- you're not going to have an engine problem. > With a Japanese car, unless you use salad oil-- you're not going to have > an engine problem. LOL! > Hello, > > On my sister's 08 Accord she is almost at the point of her > first oil change. I'm going to wait until between 15-20% to change it Do it at 15% or less only..Honda can tell if you change it early, which according to them it is if you change at 20%. > but I'm wondering should I use a dino oil on this change or a > synthetic blend before going fully synthetic. Also should I have one [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Thanks, > Nick You can go directly to full synthetic and not look back. I like Mobile 1.....whats your choice? Peace, Polfus I only use Mobil 1. I've been running it for years in my Integra and my 95 and 99 Accords. I just recall in the newsgroup others suggested using a synthetic blend on the first change and then going to full synthetic on the 2nd. I wanted to find out if that was still the case. >> Hello, >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >Peace, >Polfus > I only use Mobil 1. I've been running it for years in my Integra and > my 95 and 99 Accords. Have you done a double blind test against dino oils under the same circumstances in the same cars? No? Then how do you know Mobil 1 is better than dino? I used nothing but dino in my 92 Civic Si. I sold it with 120K on it a few years ago; my nephew drove it for three years, then he sold it with 145K on it. All dino. When we did the Blackstone analysis at 120K, it came back "no significant engine wear and plenty of lubricants left; you can easily extend your oil change interval". Mobil 1 is largely marketing. It may have some benefits under some circumstances, but in a consumer Honda engine it's a waste of money. Use dino. If you feel like it, change the oil at half the interval. You'll still save significant money while having all the benefits of good lubrication and long engine life. >> I only use Mobil 1. I've been running it for years in my Integra and >> my 95 and 99 Accords. > > Have you done a double blind test against dino oils under the same > circumstances in the same cars? "Double-blind" testing? What would make you suggest this methodology of engine oil "testing"? > No? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > few years ago; my nephew drove it for three years, then he sold it with > 145K on it. All dino. That's not very convincing "double-blind" testing, if that's what you are saying *you* did. !!! Did you put your 92 Civic Si in the shop to have them inspect the engine internally before you sold it each time? Get it on the dyno to compare initial levels when new and the results before you sold it? How do you know what it was other than just knowing that t he car started and ran for that length of time? You see my point? > When we did the Blackstone analysis at 120K, it came back "no > significant engine wear and plenty of lubricants left; you can easily > extend your oil change interval". Errr....how is that possible, especially when Blackstone Labratories tests *just* the oil sample you send them? I mean..they never looked at the car, so how can you say they said "no significant engine wear"? > Mobil 1 is largely marketing. It may have some benefits under some > circumstances, but in a consumer Honda engine it's a waste of money. Can you prove that, and show a link that proves it? > Use dino. If you feel like it, change the oil at half the interval. That's not something I would be interested in at all with conventional oils. > You'll still save significant money while having all the benefits of > good lubrication and long engine life. I don't like conventional oils for the crap that gets in there from processing, so Ill stick with the clean stuff. And my original 1990 Accord has 192,000+ ( I just called my buddy that has it ), and used Mobile 1 all the way. Still running, strong too, with not one repair needed to the engine in 17 years. Not bad, eh? Peace, Polfus >>> I only use Mobil 1. I've been running it for years in my Integra and >>> my 95 and 99 Accords. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > I mean..they never looked at the car, so how can you say they said "no > significant engine wear"? because if the engine is wearing, wear product is present in the oil. the proportions are directly correlated. no wear product, no wear. it's very simple. >> Mobil 1 is largely marketing. It may have some benefits under some >> circumstances, but in a consumer Honda engine it's a waste of money. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Not bad, eh? with a honda, that's routine with conventional oils. > > Have you done a double blind test against dino oils under the same > > circumstances in the same cars? > > "Double-blind" testing? > > What would make you suggest this methodology of engine oil "testing"? Because it's a good methodology for ANY testing. "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote >> > Have you done a double blind test against dino oils under the same >> > circumstances in the same cars? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Because it's a good methodology for ANY testing. He doesn't have two of the exact same car. How do you suggest then that he do a "double-blind" study? Peace, Polfus > >> "Double-blind" testing? > >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > How do you suggest then that he do a "double-blind" study? It doesn't matter. Without that, you can't make any claims. You say Mobil 1 worked for you; I say for 1/5 the cost, dino works the exact same way and gives the exact same results in any modern consumer Honda engine. I know that for a fact. All you know is that you spent more and got the same results I did. You don't know if spending more gives you more. "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote >> >> "Double-blind" testing? >> >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > It doesn't matter. Well it certainly did to you, sir. > Without that, you can't make any claims. Didn't stop you from doing so :) > You say Mobil 1 worked for > you; I say for 1/5 the cost, Its not 5x as much....but go ahead... > dino works the exact same way Conventional oils provide same characteristics as synthetic oils? You serious? > and gives the > exact same results in any modern consumer Honda engine. Got a link to that info, or is that just your "double-blind" opinion? > I know that for a fact. All you know is that you spent more and got the > same results I did. You don't know if spending more gives you more. Hey..think what you want...no skin off my skinny legs. Peace, Polfus > > dino works the exact same way > > Conventional oils provide same characteristics as synthetic oils? > > You serious? The end result is the same, so yes. I repeat: in a modern Honda consumer engine, you're wasting your time with Mobil 1 (which isn't entirely synthetic, either). But if it makes you happy, like buying overpriced and frequently watered down Starbucks coffee makes so many people happy, then go ahead and float your boat. >> > dino works the exact same way >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > The end result is the same, so yes. Okay....I see you like to avoid issues, so I'll quit trying to speak with you. > I repeat: in a modern Honda consumer engine, you're wasting your time > with Mobil 1 (which isn't entirely synthetic, either). > But if it makes you happy, like buying overpriced and frequently watered > down Starbucks coffee makes so many people happy, then go ahead and > float your boat. Have a nice day. Peace, Polfus > >> Conventional oils provide same characteristics as synthetic oils? > >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Okay....I see you like to avoid issues, so I'll quit trying to speak with > you. no, not at all. If the end result is the same, does the difference make a difference? > > Then how do you know Mobil 1 is better than dino? > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > That's not very convincing "double-blind" testing, if that's what you are > saying *you* did. I'm putting a counterpoint to your point. >> > Then how do you know Mobil 1 is better than dino? >> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I'm putting a counterpoint to your point. Yeah, but I asked more questions than the single point you responded to...mainly, about the Blackstone Labs testing results. Peace, Polfus <snip> >> Mobil 1 is largely marketing. It may have some benefits under some >> circumstances, but in a consumer Honda engine it's a waste of money. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Not bad, eh? Not bad at all; but you're arguing "post hoc, ergo propter hoc" here, namely since you put 192k miles on your car and used Mobil 1, it's because you used Mobil 1, which is simply not proven. <not intended as a flame, BTW> >> And my original 1990 Accord has 192,000+ ( I just called my buddy that >> has it ), and used Mobile 1 all the way. Still running, strong too, with [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > <not intended as a flame, BTW> None taken. However, the original poster wrote the first "post hoc, ergo propter hoc": " I used nothing but dino in my 92 Civic Si. I sold it with 120K on it a few years ago; my nephew drove it for three years, then he sold it with 145K on it. All dino." I simply countered with a similar logic that I figured he might understand. Peace, Polfus > And my original 1990 Accord has 192,000+ ( I just called my buddy that has > it ), and used Mobile 1 all the way. Still running, strong too, with not > one repair needed to the engine in 17 years. > > Not bad, eh? '01 EX-V6 with 195,000 miles on the odometer. Only using whatever dino oil the local Carquest has. Don't change the oil till the flashing "maint" light appears. Only engine related repair done thus far is the EGR valve for which there was a TSB on. Not bad, eh? >> And my original 1990 Accord has 192,000+ ( I just called my buddy that >> has it ), and used Mobile 1 all the way. Still running, strong too, with [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Not bad, eh? You're a really funny guy, but lemme quote Tony Harding for my retort...which you most certainly will be looking for: "Not bad at all; but you're arguing "post hoc, ergo propter hoc" here, namely since you put 192k miles on your car and used [dino oil], it's because you used [dino oil], which is simply not proven." Peace, Polfus >>> And my original 1990 Accord has 192,000+ ( I just called my buddy that >>> has it ), and used Mobile 1 all the way. Still running, strong too, with [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > namely since you put 192k miles on your car and used [dino oil], it's > because you used [dino oil], which is simply not proven." Nope. I never said I had that many miles because I use dino oil, rather in spite of it. I've pocketed a great deal of extra money by not over spending on my vehicle. The reason many of us buy Honda's is because they will keep running by putting peanut oil in the engine. If I wanted to spend extra money maintaining my vehicle I would have bought something more exotic. > Nope. I never said I had that many miles because I use dino oil, rather > in spite of it. I've pocketed a great deal of extra money by not over > spending on my vehicle. Cool ! If you change oil every 6000 miles, and if the car lasts 200,000 miles, then using Mobil 1 will cost you about $500 over the life of the car. Thats not too much in my mind, so I don't mind. My 1990 Accord is obviously almost 18 years old, so thats not a lot of money spread out over 18 years. > The reason many of us buy Honda's is because they will keep running by > putting peanut oil in the engine. LOL! That's not why I buy a Honda, but I hear your reason. > If I wanted to spend extra money maintaining my vehicle I would have > bought something more exotic. Heh...no doubt. Like a Mercedes....costs too much just to schedule a service appointment! Peace, Polfus >> Nope. I never said I had that many miles because I use dino oil, rather >> in spite of it. I've pocketed a great deal of extra money by not over [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > miles, then using Mobil 1 will cost you about $500 over the life of the > car. 200,000??? You have low expectations. This is a Honda we're talking about. >> Cool ! If you change oil every 6000 miles, and if the car lasts 200,000 >> miles, then using Mobil 1 will cost you about $500 over the life of the >> car. > > 200,000??? You have low expectations. This is a Honda we're talking > about. How many people here have a Honda Accord that they are still driving with over 200,000 miles? Seriously....I want to know. Peace, Polfus >> Cool ! If you change oil every 6000 miles, and if the car lasts 200,000 >> miles, then using Mobil 1 will cost you about $500 over the life of the >> car. > > 200,000??? You have low expectations. This is a Honda we're talking > about. You have a Honda Accord with over 200,000 miles? If so, how many of yours have lasted that long, and when did they give up the ghost? Peace, Polfus >>> Cool ! If you change oil every 6000 miles, and if the car lasts 200,000 >>> miles, then using Mobil 1 will cost you about $500 over the life of the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You have a Honda Accord with over 200,000 miles? I will in about 2 months (maybe more if I travel abroad for business as much as I am expecting to in January and February) > If so, how many of yours have lasted that long, and when did they give up > the ghost? See past message in this group. People listing their high mileage Honda threads come around every couple of months. >>> 200,000??? You have low expectations. This is a Honda we're talking >>> about. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I will in about 2 months (maybe more if I travel abroad for business as > much as I am expecting to in January and February) Not sure if thats a yes or no, but I see what you mean. Thats really good if it does go to 200,000. >> If so, how many of yours have lasted that long, and when did they give up >> the ghost? > See past message in this group. People listing their high mileage Honda > threads come around every couple of months. I guess that will translate, unless you tell me otherwise, that you have never had a Honda Accord that made it to 200,000 miles. All I am saying in addition is that I don't think its accurate to suggest that its "the norm" when people speak of this milestone. 200,000 is a *ton* of miles, and most people just do not have a car long enough to get there. It happens, sure...but I still maintain that it's not the norm. I will check the past postings and see if I can get some kinda number on it... Peace, Polfus >>>> 200,000??? You have low expectations. This is a Honda we're talking >>>> about. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Not sure if thats a yes or no, but I see what you mean. That's an "almost yes" from me, I'm at 195k and change right now and my round-trip commute to the office (which I usually make 3 days a week) is 150miles. > Thats really good if it does go to 200,000. Unless it gets hit by a bus, hitting and passing 200k is pretty much a given for my vehicle. >>> If so, how many of yours have lasted that long, and when did they give >>> up the ghost? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I guess that will translate, unless you tell me otherwise, that you have > never had a Honda Accord that made it to 200,000 miles. This is my first time owning a car more than 3 years, so yeah, for me, it's a first coming up. > All I am saying in addition is that I don't think its accurate to suggest > that its "the norm" when people speak of this milestone. Depends on what defines "the norm". People voluntarily getting rid of their vehicle while they are still running doesn't count against it. Someone had to receive that car. > 200,000 is a *ton* of miles, and most people just do not have a car long > enough to get there. They may not have it from 0-200,000, but when they get rid of it at 120,000 someone picks it up if still running. > It happens, sure...but I still maintain that it's not the norm. I will > check the past postings and see if I can get some kinda number on it... > That's an "almost yes" from me, I'm at 195k and change right now and my > round-trip commute to the office (which I usually make 3 days a week) is > 150miles. > Unless it gets hit by a bus, hitting and passing 200k is pretty much a > given for my vehicle. > This is my first time owning a car more than 3 years, so yeah, for me, > it's a first coming up. > Depends on what defines "the norm". People voluntarily getting rid of > their vehicle while they are still running doesn't count against it. > Someone had to receive that car. > They may not have it from 0-200,000, but when they get rid of it at > 120,000 someone picks it up if still running. All I hope you realize is that its not the *norm*, nor "routine". Peace, Polfus >> That's an "almost yes" from me, I'm at 195k and change right now and my >> round-trip commute to the office (which I usually make 3 days a week) is [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > All I hope you realize is that its not the *norm*, nor "routine". What is the "norm"? Do you have statistics defining the "norm". Or is under 200K your perception of what the "norm" is? When I was deciding what to buy when I got my current Accord, my decision was heavily swayed by the common perception that lasting hundreds of thousands to miles was indeed the "norm". >> All I hope you realize is that its not the *norm*, nor "routine". > > What is the "norm"? Do you have statistics defining the "norm". Or is > under 200K your perception of what the "norm" is? I think the "norm" for Hondas seems to be about 150,000-180,000 miles. Most people do not have a car that long to put 200,000 miles on it, or the car itself doesn't last. Out of 10 Honda Accord owners, you think that 8/10 will have over 200,000 miles on their car? 5/10? 1/10? You tell me, what you think the "norm" is..., i.e.the reason you dispute my statement. > When I was deciding what to buy when I got my current Accord, my decision > was heavily swayed by the common perception that lasting hundreds of > thousands to miles was indeed the "norm". Lemme know what it actually turns out to be... we'll see, and if I'm still here when or if you do make it to that number. FWIW, one of the reasons I got my Honda ( again ) is the common perception that you can't kill 'em. If it makes it to 200,000 miles, then I will be very happy. I don't count on it though, with so many factors coming into play. Peace, Polfus snip > > 200,000 is a *ton* of miles, and most people just do not have a car long > > enough to get there. FWIW I own 3 cars. Two have over 200,000 miles; one Honda product (Legend bought with 80,000 miles) and one Toyota (Sienna, new car purchase). Neither of these cars had any difficulty making it to 200,000 but the Honda product, 8 years older than the Toyota, has required a lot more repair work. Just had the old Legend tested for emissions and it passed easily. People get bored and want change. So they don't replace worn parts (perhaps suspension) wait 'till the brakes are making noise, bring the car in, get an estimate of $2500 to $4000 to fix all the maintenance they deferred and use that as an excuse to buy another car. Keeps the economy going... > FWIW > I own 3 cars. Two have over 200,000 miles; one Honda product (Legend [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Keeps the economy going... Again...good points. And thats wild you have two with that amount of miles...thats pretty dang good. Peace, Polfus The consensus for the past few years in this newsgroup have suggested that synthetic was the way to go. I would definitely like to see what some 2003+ engines look like on dino oil following the new Maintenance Minder schedule which can be between 5-7k miles. If you can also comment on how frequently you changed your oil, that would help in the discussion. >> I only use Mobil 1. I've been running it for years in my Integra and >> my 95 and 99 Accords. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >You'll still save significant money while having all the benefits of >good lubrication and long engine life. > The consensus for the past few years in this newsgroup have suggested > that synthetic was the way to go. I would definitely like to see what > some 2003+ engines look like on dino oil following the new Maintenance > Minder schedule which can be between 5-7k miles. If you can also > comment on how frequently you changed your oil, that would help in the > discussion. '01 EX-V6 with 195,000 miles on the odometer. Only using whatever dino oil the local Carquest has. Don't change the oil till the flashing "maint" light appears. Only engine related repair done thus far is the EGR valve for which there was a TSB on. >I only use Mobil 1. I've been running it for years in my Integra and > my 95 and 99 Accords. I just recall in the newsgroup others suggested > using a synthetic blend on the first change and then going to full > synthetic on the 2nd. I wanted to find out if that was still the case. I wouldn't use a synthetic blend at all. Again....you can go directly to full synthetic and not look back :) I would only use Mobile 1 myself, btw...never anything else. Peace, Polfus >> Hello, >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > I like Mobile 1.....whats your choice? Dino. Why pay 5 times more for synthetic when it is not required? >> Hello, >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > I like Mobile 1.....whats your choice? that's "m-o-b-i-l". no "e". "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote >> I like Mobile 1.....whats your choice? > > that's "m-o-b-i-l". no "e". Sorry..my bad. Peace, Polfus > should I use a dino oil on this change or a > synthetic blend before going fully synthetic. For the record Honda motor does not specify synthetic oil for the '08 Accord engine. See pg. 317 of your owner's manual. Which says you can use it, providing it meets the current API specifications and is changed at intervals shown on the information display So for normal driving there is no advantage using synthetic oil in your Honda engine. There are thousands of Honda vehicles with well over 100k miles, that have never used synthetic lubricants of any kind in the engine. Also know that using synthetic oil does not void your warranty. Save the difference in price between Petroleum oil and synthetic oil and buy some good wax/polish for the exterior painted surfaces. Or, better (in my book) pay a professional to maintain the outside of the car. -- Tp, -------- __o ----- -\<. -------- __o --- ( )/ ( ) ---- -\<. -------------------- ( )/ ( ) ----------------------------------------- No Lawsuit Ever Fixed A Moron... > There are thousands of Honda vehicles with well over 100k miles, that > have never used synthetic lubricants of any kind in the engine. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and buy some good wax/polish for the exterior painted surfaces. Or, > better (in my book) pay a professional to maintain the outside of the car. Couple of points: 1) I don't wanna use more oil than I have to with the environment and not to mention the world's dependency on crude oil. 2) Synthetics can definately help with that total figure annually, no? 3) I have a black car, so I always wash the thing myself...by hand. Literally. Peace, Polfus snip > See pg. 317 of your owner's manual. Which says you can use it, > providing it meets the current API specifications and is changed at > intervals shown on the information display > So for normal driving there is no advantage using synthetic oil in > your Honda engine. I don't agree. There's considerable oil analysis evidence that conventional motor oil does not last for 10,000 miles whereas synthetic does. Synthetic oil flows MUCH better in very cold temperatures, thus significantly reducing engine wear for those living in cold climates. Similarly, synthetic doesn't suffer from thermal breakdown the way conventional oil does in very hot climates. Sludge is not a problem with synthetic oil. > There are thousands of Honda vehicles with well over 100k miles, that > have never used synthetic lubricants of any kind in the engine. True. And there are thousands of Honda vehicles with well over 100K miles that use synthetic oil routinely. I agree that the average driver is served well-enough with conventional oil changes every 5000 miles given a moderate climate. Under those conditions, I'd expect a Honda engine to last 200K miles so long as other PM items are attended to. Synthetic isn't necessary to reach 200K miles, it just requires a lot fewer oil changes. In article <90e50504-027f-4a47-b25e-3055923ba4e8@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, > > So for normal driving there is no advantage using synthetic oil in > > your Honda engine. > > I don't agree. There's considerable oil analysis evidence that > conventional motor oil does not last for 10,000 miles whereas > synthetic does. And you pay for the privilege. In the end, all you get is the privilege of not stopping in for those few extra oil changes. You don't get a price break, that's for sure. In a normal consumer Honda engine, there's no benefit. On Dec 16, 5:13 pm, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote: > In article > <90e50504-027f-4a47-b25e-3055923ba...@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > And you pay for the privilege. How much is the question. > In the end, all you get is the privilege of not stopping in for those > few extra oil changes. You don't get a price break, that's for sure. I do my own oil changes. Synthetic oil and oil filter costs less than $30. Annual costs depend upon how many miles/year you drive. > In a normal consumer Honda engine, there's no benefit. This is true in a moderate climate and for someone who keeps up with PM but is not a DIYer. Synthetic does allow the typical consumer the luxury of not having to worry much about forgetting to check/change their motor oil on schedule. Unlike readers of this newsgroup, I'm not sure the typical owner even checks their engine oil level between oil changes. In article <2e63f5f7-12a2-4835-8030-d5c475c7d3d0@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > > In the end, all you get is the privilege of not stopping in for those > > few extra oil changes. You don't get a price break, that's for sure. > > I do my own oil changes. Synthetic oil and oil filter costs less than > $30. > Annual costs depend upon how many miles/year you drive. So do your own oil changes with regular oil. You'll save money, and the engine will respond just the same. > In article > <2e63f5f7-12a2-4835-8030-d5c475c7d3d0@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > So do your own oil changes with regular oil. You'll save money, and the > engine will respond just the same. What most people fail to understand is that whatever lubricant is chosen, abrasive particulate matter is generated by gasoline internal combustion engines and some will end up in suspension in the lubricant regardless of the type chosen. So, the change interval would be the same at least from that perspective. Using a good grade of dino lubricant for engines just makes more sense to me. Now, if one considers applications for transmissions, etc, the picture can change drastically... Give 'em hell Elmo! JT On Dec 17, 8:53 pm, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote: > In article > <2e63f5f7-12a2-4835-8030-d5c475c7d...@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > So do your ownoilchanges with regularoil. You'll save money, and the > engine will respond just the same. Here in southern Ontario winter temps sometimes get as cold as -30*F and synthetic oil doesnt even BEGIN to thicken until ambient reaches -45(Mobil 1) Therefore in severe service and extreme climate conditions like we experience here , synthetic is the way to go . In the summer I use Mobil 1, 5W30 synthetic gray cap , in the winter I use Mobil 1,15W30 yellow cap synthetic (15,000 mile gauranteed oil ). (2002 Camry -4) I change my oil and filter, twice a year , spring and fall, and car still uses no oil that I can discern on the dipstick. (120,000k) And runs like a dream. For those interested I also use Lucas fuel treatment every tank full of gas. Being of a skeptical nature, when my son told me about it ? I thought ? what have I got to lose ? so I tried it. The car runs so much smoother now I cant really believe it.It took about 4 tankfuls to start working but now its very smooth and quiet. so it seems to work for me .Mileage is much better too. I think what it does is clean the injectors and lubricate them , but I`m only guessing , all I know is it DOES work. In article <79a2256f-5358-4bf8-9db0-5d150f221072@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, > For those interested I also use Lucas fuel treatment every tank full > of gas. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > about 4 tankfuls to start working but now its very smooth and quiet. > so it seems to work for me .Mileage is much better too. You need to drive the car without knowing what's in it. Trust me, it "runs so much smoother now" simply because your mind won't let you think you wasted your money on that stuff. > In article > <79a2256f-5358-4bf8-9db0-5d150f221072@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > "runs so much smoother now" simply because your mind won't let you think > you wasted your money on that stuff. i'm a huge skeptic, but even i can't completely dismiss everything like this elmo. a true synthetic does offer advantages, as listed previously. if you potter about town at 25 and change your oil every 6 weeks, you may well not benefit, but if your application is at the end of the thermal, chemical or mechanical scales, you will. |
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