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Car Forum / Honda Cars / December 200797 accord stick-no start?
Problem just started this winter. On cold mornings it won't start, won't click even. All accessories work fine. If I play with the clutch pedal, shake the shifter, eventually it starts normally so the battery and solenoid must be fine. It's a 5 speed, so I am working on the assumption that it has to do with one of the switches at the top of the clutch pedal. I have played with the clutch-interlock switch (topmost switch) and thought I had it fixed. But when cold weather came back, same problem. I have no idea what the second switch it for. All help appreciated. nick > Problem just started this winter. On cold mornings > it won't start, won't click even. All accessories [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > nick -------------------------- Second switch is for your brake lights, I think. www.slhondaparts has your diagrams and part numbers. For a '97 with unknown mileage, you need to read up on starters: http://www.hondasuv.com/members/showthread.php?t=20252&highlight=stranded+solenoid The wiggling around and pumping the clutch may be equal to the 'tapping' of the hatchet. Follow the links in the thread too. 'Curly' > For a '97 with unknown mileage, you need to read up on starters: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > 'Curly' Thanks Curly. It's a 97 Accord LX with only about 65K miles and on it's second battery. I do now get a loud click but no start below maybe 40 degrees. I had already tried tapping the solenoid and the clutch interlock switch. Probably the solenoid then?? nick >> For a '97 with unknown mileage, you need to read up on starters: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > nick ------------------------ Follow the links in that 'hatchet' thread and look at the replaceable contacts in the solenoid. If the solenoid clicks but doesn't spin the starter, those could be shot (although your mileage is terribly low). Ever cleaned your grounding point of your battery's black wire? 'Curly' On 12/18/07 12:35 PM, in article qpU9j.36279$D44.20155@trnddc04, "nick" >> For a '97 with unknown mileage, you need to read up on starters: >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > nick If you are still on only the second battery, I would take that battery and get it checked before messing with anything else. I have experienced batteries on the way out that had just enough power to make the solenoid click. Updates: Battery is great, alternator kicks out 14.5. Problem is unrelated to temperature or duration of inactivity. Can happen first thing in the morning, or after a drive during the middle of the day. May not happen at all. This is a 97 accord. In 2004 it had (they tell me!) a new ignition switch replaced as a recall. Anyhow -- sometimes when I go to start it, all I get is the solenoid click. No turnover at all. But if I repeatedly flap the key to Off then start, again and again quickly, the starter turns over and the engine starts. Now .. I ask you .. is this the ignition switch or the starter solenoid???? nick > Updates: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > nick ------------------------- It's the contacts on the solenoid. They're replacable per the link I already provided. You don't have a no-start problem . . you have a no-turn problem. Nothing to do with the ignition switch since you always here it click at the starter. 'Curly' >> Updates: >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > 'Curly' Yep... I had an ol' '76 Civic that would do the same thing. I wacked the starter with a jack handle for several months before having the starter rebuilt.. JT (I ain't cheeep, Ah's frugal!) >> It's the contacts on the solenoid. They're replacable per the link I >> already provided. You don't have a no-start problem . . you have a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > JT ______________ . . . . . Here's the link again. It involves a _HATCHET_ not a jack handle. Same methodology: http://www.hondasuv.com/members/showthread.php?t=20252& Enjoy. 'Curly' >>> It's the contacts on the solenoid. They're replacable per the link I >>> already provided. You don't have a no-start problem . . you have a [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > 'Curly' Shades of Lizzy Borden?? <G> JT OK, used the hatchet trick and am convinced. I will order a $25 solenoid kit. When I complete the order online will they eventually ask me the model/year of the car? Also, how difficult is it to get at the bottom bolt on the starter?? > OK, used the hatchet trick and am convinced. I will > order a $25 solenoid kit. When I complete the order [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Also, how difficult is it to get at the bottom bolt > on the starter?? ------------------------- If you need the hatchet, it's usually because the solenoid isn't getting ground through the brushes / armature. Read the thread again. I have edited it for clarity. If yours clicks, but doesn't crank it is more likely the solenoid contacts mentioned by the member 'Carbuff2'. 'Curly' How difficult is it to get at the bottom bolt on the starter?? I do a lot of wrenching on our old MG, but all the bolts and nuts are pretty simple to get to. How's the 97 Accord 4 cyl starter to get off?? Yes, mine clicks. Loud. If I repeatedly flick the key from OFF to III and back eventually the solenoid contacts come together and it starts. So I am planning to order the Nippondenso starter SOLENOID contact repair kit WITH plunger. Izzat OK?? > How difficult is it to get at the bottom bolt > on the starter?? I do a lot of wrenching on our [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > order the Nippondenso starter SOLENOID contact repair > kit WITH plunger. Izzat OK?? --------------------- Yes, you've got it! Mine needs to come out soon because I've got the noisy gears / bushing that go EEeewww when I let go of the key.I can't say about the difficulty cuz I've never done one on a Honda. Look in there with a mirror and a good flashlight. Parts diagrams are at www.slhondaparts.com but they rarely help for what you need to know. Search www.tegger.com and see if there's anything about starter removal. 'Curly' Hey Curly, Starter is out -- howcum Honda uses two (2) different size bolts to mount the starter?? Contacts in Solenoid are truly fried. Plunger bad too. Trying to order kit online now. Many thanks nick > Hey Curly, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > nick ---------------------- Would you be better off picking up a used starter from a wrecker (or a good 'rebuilt' off eBay) in order to get you going again sooner? You could then take your time getting the old one fixed like new (or not). I guess it depends if you're keeping your Accord until 600,000 miles :-) They give trouble so rarely. 'Curly' No sweat! We got my wife's civic and our MG so we be covered. As we are retired, we need less transport these days. If I can really replace those contacts and plunger for thirty bucks, that's a whole lot better than the (approx) three hundred bucks for a rebuilt starter. I really appreciate the tip. nick > Would you be better off picking up a used starter from a wrecker (or a > good 'rebuilt' off eBay) in order to get you going again sooner? >> Problem just started this winter. On cold mornings >> it won't start, won't click even. All accessories [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > 'Curly' Kinda doubt it. Would be silly to have brake lights come on every time you shifted... On the other hand, if you have cruise control, it's almost certain it's the cruise disable switch. You definitely want cruise to drop out if you depress the clutch pedal. Some cars use the same switch for starter interlock and cruise disable. [smile] --Rick > Kinda doubt it. Would be silly to have brake lights come on every time > you shifted... On the other hand, if you have cruise control, it's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > [smile] > --Rick -------------------------- Hey, Rick . . . But wouldn't it make those pesky TAILGATERS nervous?? Sorry, it's hard for us automatic guys think MANUAL tranny / clutch. I guess the parts diagrams at www.slhondaparts.com will confirm your suggestion. 'Curly' My 98 was involved in a ignition switch recall, due to contacts not heavy enough to current the current. I don't know if 97s where involved in that also. Just a thought. > My 98 was involved in a ignition switch recall, due > to contacts not heavy enough to current the current. > I don't know if 97s where involved in that also. > Just a thought. ------------------------- The RECALL NOTICES are here, check it out: http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/tsb/index.html#list 'Curly' > My 98 was involved in a ignition switch recall, due > to contacts not heavy enough to current the current. > I don't know if 97s where involved in that also. > Just a thought. Yeah, I believe mine was replaced in that recall. What has me curious is that it only seems to be a problem when its below, say, 50 degrees. And if I do get it started, and let it warm up a bunch, it seems to be ok as well. When it won't turn over, I DO get a solenoid click. Would that not imply that the switch is ok but the solenoid/starter is at fault?? > Yeah, I believe mine (ignition switch) was replaced in that recall. What > has me curious is that it only seems to be a problem [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > not imply that the switch is ok but the solenoid/starter is > at fault?? ------------------------- What do you mean, 'let it warm up a bunch'? Like on the driveway? 'Curly' |
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