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Elle - 26 Dec 2007 19:09 GMT
My 91 Civic is due for some new ignition wires. I started
checking OEM online Honda parts places that I have used in
the past. Shipping seems to have shot through the roof. From
reports here and some other shopping, I have become vaguely
aware that dealerships increasingly offer parts online at
discounted internet prices. So I googled for {online OEM
Honda parts [my state]}. The second hit yielded a dealership
five miles from me selling prices as competitive as I have
seen at Majestic and San Leandro Honda (long-time online
dealers), but of course without the shipping charge. I get
to pay sales tax, but I am obliged to do so anyway even with
online purchases.
Inigo Lopez de Loyola - 26 Dec 2007 20:32 GMT
> My 91 Civic is due for some new ignition wires. I started checking OEM
> online Honda parts places that I have used in the past. Shipping seems to
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> charge. I get to pay sales tax, but I am obliged to do so anyway even with
> online purchases.

If you buy online from a supplier who does not have a "business nexus" in
your state, they can't collect sales tax from you any you're not "obliged"
to pay it
Say What? - 26 Dec 2007 21:04 GMT
>> Honda (long-time online dealers), but of course without the shipping
>> charge. I get to pay sales tax, but I am obliged to do so anyway even with
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> your state, they can't collect sales tax from you any you're not "obliged"
> to pay it

Bzzzzzzzzzzt!  Wrong answer!  At least it is in all the states where I
have a passing knowledge of their revenue act and that's a couple dozen.

Just to make sure though, why don't you make a couple of large on-line
purchases from some firms that don't have the business presence or nexus
in your state?  Then, tally up your receipts and call your state revenue
department and tell them you purchased goods in a foreign state for use
in your home state but didn't pay any taxes.  See what they say about
that.  I'm sure they'll be more than happy to send you the appropriate
reporting form.

Granted, it's an honor system in 99% of the cases but just because it's
an honor system does not mean you are not obliged to pay the tax.

OTOH, those that don't report it are probably at 101%<g>
jim beam - 26 Dec 2007 21:27 GMT
>>> Honda (long-time online dealers), but of course without the shipping
>>> charge. I get to pay sales tax, but I am obliged to do so anyway even
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> that.  I'm sure they'll be more than happy to send you the appropriate
> reporting form.

not for online transactions - the supremes nixed that.
http://www.cbpp.org/12-13-99tax.htm

> Granted, it's an honor system in 99% of the cases but just because it's
> an honor system does not mean you are not obliged to pay the tax.
>
> OTOH, those that don't report it are probably at 101%<g>
Say What? - 26 Dec 2007 21:38 GMT
>> state for use in your home state but didn't pay any taxes.  See what
>> they say about that.  I'm sure they'll be more than happy to send you
>> the appropriate reporting form.
>
> not for online transactions - the supremes nixed that.
> http://www.cbpp.org/12-13-99tax.htm

Jim, please re-READ what you have quoted.  It's pretty clear but you do
have to read and understand what their ruling was. I stand by my
original post.

Quote from your link, above:

Who Will Remit Sales Taxes on Internet and Mail-Order Sales?

The vitality of the sales tax as a critical state and local government
revenue source has been eroded in recent years by the rapid growth in
mail-order and Internet sales. Sales taxes are due on mail-order and
Internet purchases just as they are on purchases in stores.(1) But a
large majority of the sales taxes due on mail-order and Internet
purchases made by individual consumers and a significant share of the
taxes due on purchases made by businesses are effectively uncollectible.
States and localities are unable to collect these taxes because the
Supreme Court has prohibited states from requiring mail-order and
Internet merchants to charge the customer for the tax and remit it to
the customer's state unless the merchant has a physical presence or
"nexus" within the state's borders. This means that although an Internet
merchant like Amazon.com presumably has customers in every or nearly
every state, it can only be required to collect sales tax from customers
in its home state of Washington and a handful of other states in which
it has built warehouses or stationed personnel.

If the seller does not charge and remit the tax, laws require customers
of Internet and mail-order companies to pay the state and local sales
tax directly to their home states. However, compliance with this
self-remittance requirement is almost non-existent in the case of
individual consumers and is spotty in the case of businesses that make
purchases from Internet, mail-order, and other "remote" sellers. The
combination of weak tax compliance by purchasers and a sharply limited
tax collection obligation on the part of remote sellers is eroding the
sales tax base of state and local governments
jim beam - 26 Dec 2007 21:48 GMT
>>> state for use in your home state but didn't pay any taxes.  See what
>>> they say about that.  I'm sure they'll be more than happy to send you
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> tax collection obligation on the part of remote sellers is eroding the
> sales tax base of state and local governments

what part of:
"...because the Supreme Court has prohibited states from requiring
mail-order and Internet merchants to charge the customer for the tax and
remit it to the customer's state unless the merchant has a physical
presence or "nexus" within the state's borders" is unclear?
Say What? - 26 Dec 2007 22:01 GMT
>>>> state for use in your home state but didn't pay any taxes.  See what
>>>> they say about that.  I'm sure they'll be more than happy to send
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
> remit it to the customer's state unless the merchant has a physical
> presence or "nexus" within the state's borders" is unclear?

I saw it but kept on reading which, apparently, you did not.

What part of...

"Sales taxes are due on mail-order and Internet purchases just as they
are on purchases in stores."

and

"If the seller does not charge and remit the tax, laws require
customers of Internet and mail-order companies to pay the state and
local sales tax directly to their home states. However, compliance
with this self-remittance requirement is almost non-existent in the
case of individual consumers and is spotty in the case of businesses
that make purchases from Internet, mail-order, and other "remote"
sellers.." is unclear to you?

Remember, if you will, that the OP said that he had no obligation to pay
the tax himself.  He is obliged to pay it.  As you have pointed out, the
merchant selling to him is NOT required to collect it unless they have a
physical presence or nexus in his state.  The synopsis of the USSC
decision also points out that the tax which is due is "effectively
uncollectable," I said as much in my post.
jim beam - 26 Dec 2007 23:06 GMT
>>>>> state for use in your home state but didn't pay any taxes.  See
>>>>> what they say about that.  I'm sure they'll be more than happy to
[quoted text clipped - 68 lines]
> decision also points out that the tax which is due is "effectively
> uncollectable," I said as much in my post.

in other words, you're arguing against yourself.  well done.
Howard Lester - 26 Dec 2007 23:16 GMT
>> Remember, if you will, that the OP said that he had no obligation to pay
>> the tax himself.  He is obliged to pay it.  As you have pointed out, the
>> merchant selling to him is NOT required to collect it unless they have a
>> physical presence or nexus in his state.  The synopsis of the USSC
>> decision also points out that the tax which is due is "effectively
>> uncollectable," I said as much in my post.

> in other words, you're arguing against yourself.  well done.

You'd make a good lawyer.

;-)
Tony Harding - 29 Dec 2007 20:18 GMT
>>> Remember, if you will, that the OP said that he had no obligation to pay
>>> the tax himself.  He is obliged to pay it.  As you have pointed out, the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> You'd make a good lawyer.

I wouldn't retain him based on this thread.
John Horner - 30 Dec 2007 16:19 GMT
>>> Remember, if you will, that the OP said that he had no obligation to pay
>>> the tax himself.  He is obliged to pay it.  As you have pointed out, the
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> ;-)

Not really.  It is important to understand the law before arguing it,
and obvious Mr. Beam doesn't.
Say What? - 26 Dec 2007 23:19 GMT
> in other words, you're arguing against yourself.  well done.

You really need to do something about your reading comprehension.

"Ignorance can be cured but stupidity is forever."  You appear to be
either terminal or a troll.
Grumpy AuContraire - 27 Dec 2007 02:05 GMT
>>>>>> state for use in your home state but didn't pay any taxes.  See
>>>>>> what they say about that.  I'm sure they'll be more than happy to
[quoted text clipped - 70 lines]
>
> in other words, you're arguing against yourself.  well done.

Well, actually you both are...  It is legislation that was passed that
prohibits any form of internet taxes except when a vendor has a physical
presence in the affected state...

But the short of it is, generally no tax..

JT
Dave Kelsen - 27 Dec 2007 03:22 GMT
On 12/26/2007 8:05 PM Grumpy AuContraire spake these words of knowledge:

>>>>>>> state for use in your home state but didn't pay any taxes.  See
>>>>>>> what they say about that.  I'm sure they'll be more than happy to
[quoted text clipped - 78 lines]
>
> JT

Altogether wrong.

Remember that we're talking about state taxes here.

What the Supreme Court said was, in essence, 'you owe the tax, but we're
not going to force the seller to collect it.'

The buyer still owes it, and the state can (and if it knows about it,
will) collect it.

RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
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in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as
possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it."

Grumpy AuContraire - 27 Dec 2007 16:11 GMT
> On 12/26/2007 8:05 PM Grumpy AuContraire spake these words of knowledge:
>
[quoted text clipped - 94 lines]
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen

So, did you pass fifth grade civics?

It appears that YOU have the problem parsing here...

JT
Dave Kelsen - 27 Dec 2007 19:39 GMT
On 12/27/2007 10:11 AM Grumpy AuContraire spake these words of knowledge:

>> On 12/26/2007 8:05 PM Grumpy AuContraire spake these words of knowledge:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> It appears that YOU have the problem parsing here...

I'll accept your apology after you ask a tax preparer in your state.
Note that I'm not asking you to take my word.  Do the research; it's
easy.  You can also ask a representative of the Revenue department, in
your state capital.  Rather than making yourself look stupid here, why
don't you try that?

If you get some other answer, by all means let me and all the others
here know, and I'll be the one looking stupid.  I'll be reading and waiting.

RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
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know why I look this way.  I've traveled a long way and some of the
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Dave Kelsen - 27 Dec 2007 03:19 GMT
On 12/26/2007 5:06 PM jim beam spake these words of knowledge:

>>>>>> state for use in your home state but didn't pay any taxes.  See
>>>>>> what they say about that.  I'm sure they'll be more than happy to
[quoted text clipped - 70 lines]
>
> in other words, you're arguing against yourself.  well done.

No, Jim, he's not.  It's just this simple.

1.)  Here's how it works out: purchases accrue tax to the state and at
the rate of the purchaser.

2.)  The business which is the seller is not mandated to collect it (if
they do not have a physical business structure in the state of the
purchaser.)

2.) does not eliminate 1.)

If you make the purchase, you owe the tax.  If your state can document
that you owe it, they can (and will) collect it.  If your state can
document that you lied about making the transaction, that's tax fraud.

RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
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higher education positively fortifies it." - Stephen Vizinczey

John Horner - 30 Dec 2007 16:18 GMT
>>>> Honda (long-time online dealers), but of course without the shipping
>>>> charge. I get to pay sales tax, but I am obliged to do so anyway
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> not for online transactions - the supremes nixed that.
> http://www.cbpp.org/12-13-99tax.htm

All the supreme court did was to nix requiring the various mail order
companies to collect taxes on behalf of the home states of their
purchasers.  However, the individual buyer is still legally required to
pay the taxes to their home state.  In practice almost nobody does so
and in practice the states have rarely tried to enforce this law against
individuals, but I know first hand that they sometimes go after business
purchasers because there is enough money potentially there to make the
costs of collections worthwhile.
Grumpy AuContraire - 27 Dec 2007 02:02 GMT
>>> Honda (long-time online dealers), but of course without the shipping
>>> charge. I get to pay sales tax, but I am obliged to do so anyway even
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Bzzzzzzzzzzt!  Wrong answer!  At least it is in all the states where I
> have a passing knowledge of their revenue act and that's a couple dozen.

Bzzzzt! Really Wrong Answer!!!

If they, (the vendor), has no physical presence in your state and the
order is via the internet, NO TAX OF ANY KIND CAN BE COLLECTED.

So called "use tax" tactics DO NOT APPLY to internet sales.

(One of the very few good things our conggress critters accomplished)

JT
Dave Kelsen - 27 Dec 2007 03:27 GMT
On 12/26/2007 8:02 PM Grumpy AuContraire spake these words of knowledge:

>>>> Honda (long-time online dealers), but of course without the shipping
>>>> charge. I get to pay sales tax, but I am obliged to do so anyway even
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> JT

When you file your state income tax this year, look for an entry about
this.  You will be asked to declare the amount of your untaxed
out-of-state purchases; this will absolutely include any purchases made
over the intarweb.  If you lie, you are committing the crime of tax
fraud.  The chances of being caught are small, but only because the
various states aren't pursuing this avenue currently, not because the
records are hard to get.

If you don't want to wait until you file your taxes, ask a tax preparer;
they should be popping up like jack rabbits in the next several weeks.

RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
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Elmo P. Shagnasty - 27 Dec 2007 06:18 GMT
> If they, (the vendor), has no physical presence in your state and the
> order is via the internet, NO TAX OF ANY KIND CAN BE COLLECTED.

It CAN be collected and passed on to the local taxing authority.

However, there's no mandate that such collection take place in such a
situation.

There's a big difference.  A retailer may act as a tax collector for any
venue.
Grumpy AuContraire - 27 Dec 2007 16:15 GMT
>>If they, (the vendor), has no physical presence in your state and the
>>order is via the internet, NO TAX OF ANY KIND CAN BE COLLECTED.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> There's a big difference.  A retailer may act as a tax collector for any
> venue.

That retailer who collects a bogus tax is open to litigation which they
will lose.

A state law can never trump a federal law.  In this case, federal law is
specific regarding taxes and the internet. That's why state guv'ments
are cryin' that giant whining sound.

JT
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 27 Dec 2007 17:52 GMT
> > There's a big difference.  A retailer may act as a tax collector for any
> > venue.
>
> That retailer who collects a bogus tax is open to litigation which they
> will lose.

Sure, if it's bogus.

But if they choose to collect the tax and pass it on to the appropriate
taxing authority, that's fine.

There's nothing that PREVENTS them from doing so.  Fortunately for us,
neither is there anything that FORCES them to do so.
John Horner - 30 Dec 2007 16:21 GMT
> Bzzzzt! Really Wrong Answer!!!
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> JT

You should read the legislation more carefully.  The federal law
prohibits forcing companies to collect sales taxes from out of state
customers.  It does not prohibit states from charging or collecting use
taxes directly from the customers.

Some people don't seem to comprehend this distinction.
Elle - 26 Dec 2007 23:34 GMT
> If you buy online from a supplier who does not have a
> "business nexus" in your state, they can't collect sales
> tax from you any you're not "obliged" to pay it

One is legally required to report it on one's state's taxes
and pay sales tax on it. Poster "Say What" is correct. Check
state tax instructions yourself.

The enforceability of these state sales tax laws is another
matter.
Tony Harding - 29 Dec 2007 20:29 GMT
>> If you buy online from a supplier who does not have a
>> "business nexus" in your state, they can't collect sales
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> and pay sales tax on it. Poster "Say What" is correct. Check
> state tax instructions yourself.

In NJ it asks if you've made any untaxed (sales tax) purchases. Anyone
who answers "yes" is paying a Stupid Tax IMHO.   ;)
Grumpy AuContraire - 29 Dec 2007 22:09 GMT
>>> If you buy online from a supplier who does not have a "business
>>> nexus" in your state, they can't collect sales tax from you any
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> In NJ it asks if you've made any untaxed (sales tax) purchases. Anyone
> who answers "yes" is paying a Stupid Tax IMHO.   ;)

Ain't that the truth...  But stupid often does what stupid sez.

Ya gotta luv 'em!

JT
Tony Harding - 30 Dec 2007 18:14 GMT
>>>> If you buy online from a supplier who does not have a "business
>>>> nexus" in your state, they can't collect sales tax from you any
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Ain't that the truth...  But stupid often does what stupid sez.

No argument there, JT.
jim beam - 26 Dec 2007 21:18 GMT
> My 91 Civic is due for some new ignition wires. I started
> checking OEM online Honda parts places that I have used in
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> to pay sales tax, but I am obliged to do so anyway even with
> online purchases.

no you're not.  if your supplier doesn't have a presence in your state,
your online purchases are federally exempt.  simply factor that into
your purchase decision and if it makes sense, order from a supplier
outside your state and save the tax.
Woody - 27 Dec 2007 00:21 GMT
You really need to take some classes in reading comprehension. You may then
understand what you are reading and get some of the facts correct.

>> My 91 Civic is due for some new ignition wires. I started checking OEM
>> online Honda parts places that I have used in the past. Shipping seems to
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> purchase decision and if it makes sense, order from a supplier outside
> your state and save the tax.
E Meyer - 27 Dec 2007 00:58 GMT
This thread gets my vote for most anal retentive of the year.  Quick show of
hands - Who among the readers here has ever voluntarily sent their state a
sales tax payment for an out of state internet purchase?

On 12/26/07 6:21 PM, in article
reCcj.34880$Pv2.30416@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net, "Woody" <TheDuck@pond.net>
wrote:

> You really need to take some classes in reading comprehension. You may then
> understand what you are reading and get some of the facts correct.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>> purchase decision and if it makes sense, order from a supplier outside
>> your state and save the tax.
News - 27 Dec 2007 01:31 GMT
You'll find it happens quite frequently after an audit...

> This thread gets my vote for most anal retentive of the year.  Quick show of
> hands - Who among the readers here has ever voluntarily sent their state a
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>>>purchase decision and if it makes sense, order from a supplier outside
>>>your state and save the tax.
E Meyer - 27 Dec 2007 03:10 GMT
Yeah, right... I'm going to volunteer my internet purchases to an auditor
who has absolutely no way to find them any other way. Get real!

On 12/26/07 7:31 PM, in article
FoSdnWz3ZIvrne7anZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@speakeasy.net, "News" <News@Groups.com>
wrote:

> You'll find it happens quite frequently after an audit...
>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>>>> purchase decision and if it makes sense, order from a supplier outside
>>>> your state and save the tax.
News - 27 Dec 2007 03:43 GMT
If you think so... Give it a try.

Presumably, you'll be able to make up receipts showing tax paid...

> Yeah, right... I'm going to volunteer my internet purchases to an auditor
> who has absolutely no way to find them any other way. Get real!
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>>>>>purchase decision and if it makes sense, order from a supplier outside
>>>>>your state and save the tax.
E Meyer - 27 Dec 2007 16:09 GMT
And exactly who is going to be asking for these receipts?

I live in Texas, a state which has no state income tax.  There is no
personal state tax filing, no forms, no affidavits, no audits.  Sales taxes
are collected by businesses.

The Federal government has no incentive to care about this. If you live in a
state without an income tax, sales taxes are deductible, thereby possibly
reducing your federal income tax due.

Back to my original assertion -- This is the most anal retentive thread of
the year.  I'm still waiting for that show of hands.  Who here has sent
unsolicited sales tax payments for internet purchases to their state?

On 12/26/07 9:43 PM, in article
GNadnfqhSoLqgu7anZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@speakeasy.net, "News" <News@Groups.com>
wrote:

> If you think so... Give it a try.
>
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
>>>>>> purchase decision and if it makes sense, order from a supplier outside
>>>>>> your state and save the tax.
Elle - 27 Dec 2007 18:58 GMT
> Back to my original assertion -- This is the most anal
> retentive thread of
> the year.  I'm still waiting for that show of hands.  Who
> here has sent
> unsolicited sales tax payments for internet purchases to
> their state?

They are solicited. Google to verify the point.

I posted my carefully qualified comment only to be complete.
Fact is, states are trying to deal with the loss of sales
tax revenue from internet purchases.

I have at least once paid taxes on internet purchases. It
was due in small part to fear of possibly being audited for
other things. But other times I have blown it off, breaking
the law. Fact is it's a pittance. I happen to be grateful to
live in a country where the chances of my political leaders
being murdered, along with dozens of innocent people, are
slim. Paying taxes to support our government (while it's a
terrible system, I know you seriously could not come up with
another one). Your reaction is stupidity.

Why do you care what other people's personal choices are?
You some kind of busybody?

The bigger point of the thread is I paid some $4 in sales
tax yesterday to a local internet OEM parts supplier and
saved some $17 (Majestic's s/h charge) in transportation
etc. costs. The part was the same price both locally and at
Majestic.

These days, before ordering online from a company far away,
folks should either google or call their dealer and ask if
they have a parts department that sells through the
internet, with competitive yada prices.
E Meyer - 27 Dec 2007 19:25 GMT
On 12/27/07 12:58 PM, in article 13n7tdpirtnbt35@corp.supernews.com, "Elle"
<honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote:

>> Back to my original assertion -- This is the most anal
>> retentive thread of
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> terrible system, I know you seriously could not come up with
> another one). Your reaction is stupidity.

What a load of crap!!

So according to you, if I choose not to somehow send my state a tax payment
from out of state internet purchases I have made (as far as I know, there is
not even a mechanism to do so in my state), then I hate my country, I am
condemning the government to fall, its leaders to be assassinated, and I am
stupid.  Now, who is overreacting here?

> Why do you care what other people's personal choices are?
> You some kind of busybody?

Huh?   My point is, rhetoric aside, you are now the only person I have ever
encountered who admits to paying.  I posted the question because I believe
it is a total non-issue for the vast majority.

> The bigger point of the thread is I paid some $4 in sales
> tax yesterday to a local internet OEM parts supplier and
> saved some $17 (Majestic's s/h charge) in transportation
> etc. costs. The part was the same price both locally and at
> Majestic.

Which is a monetary decision that makes perfect sense.  I normally make the
same calculation (total cost including shipping & tax) when I decide where
and how to buy.  

The only point (big or small) I have seen being thrashed in this thread is
this nonsense about paying sales taxes uncollected by internet vendors.

> These days, before ordering online from a company far away,
> folks should either google or call their dealer and ask if
> they have a parts department that sells through the
> internet, with competitive yada prices.

I totally agree.
Dave Kelsen - 27 Dec 2007 19:47 GMT
On 12/27/2007 1:25 PM E Meyer spake these words of knowledge:

> On 12/27/07 12:58 PM, in article 13n7tdpirtnbt35@corp.supernews.com, "Elle"
> <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
> The only point (big or small) I have seen being thrashed in this thread is
> this nonsense about paying sales taxes uncollected by internet vendors.

No one is trying to tell you that you should pay it.  That's up to you.

The only point I have made, and I think this is true of most of the
others in this thread who have posted, is that the tax exists, and the
authority to collect it exists.  The states don't have the means, or in
some cases the desire, to collect it, and you can almost assuredly
continue to not pay sales tax on those items with impunity.

Similarly, I continue to exceed posted speed limits, because the state
(and county, municipal) authorities don't have the means to enforce the
law - they aren't able to stop me most of the time when I do it.  But
when I do, I am aware that I am breaking a law; I'm just not likely to
get caught.  When I make a purchase over the internet and do not pay
sales tax when I submit my taxes at the end of the year, I am breaking
the law; I'm just not likely to get caught.

RFT!!!
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E Meyer - 27 Dec 2007 22:18 GMT
On 12/27/07 1:47 PM, in article 47740148$0$28881$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,

> On 12/27/2007 1:25 PM E Meyer spake these words of knowledge:
>
[quoted text clipped - 70 lines]
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen

Totally true, 'though I still do occasionally trip over that unexpected
speed trap.  I think the risk with the tax (at least until the states
discover the internet for their own uses) is substantially less.
Elle - 27 Dec 2007 22:59 GMT
> The only point I have made, and I think this is true of
> most of the others in this thread who have posted, is that
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> continue to not pay sales tax on those items with
> impunity.

Agreed, except I think this may change sooner rather than
later. It of course would likely require a change in federal
law to have any teeth, since the key probably is to get
internet stores to collect the tax.

> Similarly, I continue to exceed posted speed limits,
> because the state (and county, municipal) authorities
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> of the year, I am breaking the law; I'm just not likely to
> get caught.

The above denotes my thoughts as well, of course.

More importantly--

I pulled up to the dealership yesterday to make my
incredibly savvy parts purchase. One space right in front of
the showroom is available for beautiful me and my beloved
crate (my 1991 Civic). Dashing young man in gleaming white
shirt and nice tie (car salespeople have the nicest ties)
comes out to "greet me." I smile, greet him back, and point
out, "Purrs like a kitten, doesn't she?... Daggang Civic
won't die... I just need a few parts." Though defeated, he
laughs, nods, and strolls away. With my Honda, I ain't
sharkbait.

She runs even better with the new ignition wires.  :-)
Tony Harding - 29 Dec 2007 20:35 GMT
>> The only point I have made, and I think this is true of
>> most of the others in this thread who have posted, is that
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> law to have any teeth, since the key probably is to get
> internet stores to collect the tax.

Something the 'Net sellers are lobbying against furiously, I'm sure.
Tony Harding - 29 Dec 2007 20:34 GMT
> On 12/27/2007 1:25 PM E Meyer spake these words of knowledge:

<snipped>

"The best years of your life are the ones in which you decide your
problems are your own.  You do not blame them on your mother, the
ecology or the president.  You realize that you control your own
destiny." -- Albert Ellis

Wow, not often I see Al Ellis quoted online!
Tony Harding - 29 Dec 2007 20:30 GMT
> And exactly who is going to be asking for these receipts?
>
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> the year.  I'm still waiting for that show of hands.  Who here has sent
> unsolicited sales tax payments for internet purchases to their state?

I think you have your answer.  :)
John Horner - 30 Dec 2007 16:15 GMT
>> My 91 Civic is due for some new ignition wires. I started checking OEM
>> online Honda parts places that I have used in the past. Shipping seems
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> your purchase decision and if it makes sense, order from a supplier
> outside your state and save the tax.

Not exactly.  You are exempt from sales taxes in the state where the
supplier is, but technically you are liable for use taxes (the
equivalent of sales tax) in your home state where you receive the goods.
 In practice very few individuals pay these use taxes because the home
state doesn't know about it, but in theory in a detailed audit you could
be caught up in it.  I imagine that with a court order Amazon and others
could be compelled to give your state a list of all your purchases.

I was in a business one time where the business was audited by the state
looking for use tax collection on out of state purchases, so at least in
some places I know that states do indeed make some effort to collect these.

John
Tony Harding - 30 Dec 2007 18:16 GMT
>>> My 91 Civic is due for some new ignition wires. I started checking
>>> OEM online Honda parts places that I have used in the past. Shipping
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> looking for use tax collection on out of state purchases, so at least in
> some places I know that states do indeed make some effort to collect these.

As others have posted, IIRC, businesses, sometimes; individuals, hardly
ever.
MAT - 03 Jan 2008 06:46 GMT
> My 91 Civic is due for some new ignition wires. I started checking OEM
> online Honda parts places that I have used in the past. Shipping seems to
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> charge. I get to pay sales tax, but I am obliged to do so anyway even with
> online purchases.

I just stumbled upon the 'official' "Honda E-store" website linked from
Honda Owner's Link website and the prices of a front disc brake pad set from
the 2 accessible dealers to me are DOUBLE the going web price.  I guess it's
YMMV with different kind of parts and dealers but I can likely do better
with  maintenance parts purchased en masse online.  Mostly I was impressed
that Honda is now pimping parts directly through their dealer network via
the same factory drawings we've been used to over the years.  One thing I
love about Honda is their ubiquitous, online parts and knowledge
availability.
Elle - 03 Jan 2008 17:10 GMT
> I just stumbled upon the 'official' "Honda E-store"
> website linked from Honda Owner's Link website and the
> prices of a front disc brake pad set from the 2 accessible
> dealers to me are DOUBLE the going web price.  I guess
> it's YMMV with different kind of parts and dealers

I think so, though improvement has been steady in the last
few years. Googling turns up a heckuva lot more OEM parts
dealers these days.

> but I can likely do better with  maintenance parts
> purchased en masse online.  Mostly I was impressed that
> Honda is now pimping parts directly through their dealer
> network via the same factory drawings we've been used to
> over the years.  One thing I love about Honda is their
> ubiquitous, online parts and knowledge availability.

This is important to me, too. Before I buy a Toyota (maybe
in a few years when my 91 Civic dies), I will want to know
how available online drawings and OEM parts are.
 
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