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Car Forum / Honda Cars / January 2008Accord coupe - washer fluid container
For the second time I needed to refil washer fluid in my 2004 accord coupe. I got the 1 gallon jug from the store when the washer nozzles stopped delivering fluid. Poured the bottle but before the bottle was empty the container in the car was full and overflowing. 2-3 inches of the fluid left unused in the bottle. Is this what you get? Or my pump is not sucking all the fluid from the container? Why would you design a car with a washer fluid container just smaller than the widely available container the fluid is sold in the stores? Would you consider it as a bad design? > For the second time I needed to refil washer fluid in > my 2004 accord coupe. I got the 1 gallon jug from the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Would you consider it as a bad design? If your preferred method is to suck the reservoir absolutely dry before refilling it, thus risking being without washer fluid at some point when you really need it, then yes, I suppose you might consider it a bad design. If, on the other hand, you do what a lot of people do and add fluid to the reservoir periodically before it's completely dry, and then put the bottle back in the garage for next time, then it really doesn't much matter how big either the reservoir or the bottle is, does it? > If your preferred method is to suck the reservoir absolutely dry before > refilling it, thus risking being without washer fluid at some point when you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > back in the garage for next time, then it really doesn't much matter how big > either the reservoir or the bottle is, does it? I can see you are an old fashioned guy who likes to spend time with his car and keep the garage full of funny bottles... :-) Good design in my opinion would be low fluid warning light on the dashboard and reservoir big enough to hold FULL bottle when the warning ligth comes on to minimalise required mainenance. The only warning I get from my accord is that the stream of water is weaker, but then I have 2-3 more attempts and it is dry. Even then it does not hold the full bottle, which is sad... :-) Don't get me wrong, but I am comparing this accord to my old 1995 camry, which it happens had the reservoid big enought to hold the full gallon of fluid in one big gulp. >> If your preferred method is to suck the reservoir absolutely dry before >> refilling it, thus risking being without washer fluid at some point when you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> back in the garage for next time, then it really doesn't much matter how big >> either the reservoir or the bottle is, does it? >I can see you are an old fashioned guy who likes to spend time >with his car and keep the garage full of funny bottles... :-) >Good design in my opinion would be low fluid warning light >on the dashboard and reservoir big enough to hold FULL bottle >when the warning ligth comes on to minimalise required mainenance. some cars do. If they all did, then you'd be whining that it doesn't hold a 5 gallon drum puchased at costco. >>> If your preferred method is to suck the reservoir absolutely dry before >>> refilling it, thus risking being without washer fluid at some point when you [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > some cars do. If they all did, then you'd be whining that it > doesn't hold a 5 gallon drum puchased at costco. Bad argument, since 1 gallon jug is *the smallest* amount of washer fluid you can buy in a retail stores... > Bad argument, since 1 gallon jug is *the smallest* amount > of washer fluid you can buy in a retail stores... Did you know that you can also get the little concentrated dry tablets and add water to those? Just saying that you won't have to store any fluid afterwards if you don't want to...just keep a 1 gallon jug somewhere to use again. Or...just use the left-over from the 1 gallon jug to top off your fluid levels *instead* of having to go back out and buy a whole other gallon jug just to top off your levels. And another thing..dude...don't wait until your fluid is starting to run out before you fill it up...you obviously aren't checking it enough if this happens! Peace, Polfus > I can see you are an old fashioned guy who likes to spend time > with his car and keep the garage full of funny bottles... :-) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > water is weaker, but then I have 2-3 more attempts and it is dry. > Even then it does not hold the full bottle, which is sad... :-) My '01 coupe has a warning light, and when it comes on I can put an entire jug of washer fluid in and still have room left for more... Maybe it's because I'm in Canada (the frozen white north and all), or maybe the design of the '04 required a smaller reservoir. >> I can see you are an old fashioned guy who likes to spend time >> with his car and keep the garage full of funny bottles... :-) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > because I'm in Canada (the frozen white north and all), or maybe the design > of the '04 required a smaller reservoir. In my user manual there is a note about warning light for Canadian models, even for 2004. I think I will look around for a Canadian version of the washer reservoid then :-)) >>> I can see you are an old fashioned guy who likes to spend time >>> with his car and keep the garage full of funny bottles... :-) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Canadian models, even for 2004. I think I will look around > for a Canadian version of the washer reservoid then :-)) Suit yourself, but you're greatly overreacting here IMHO. >>>> I can see you are an old fashioned guy who likes to spend time >>>> with his car and keep the garage full of funny bottles... :-) [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Suit yourself, but you're greatly overreacting here IMHO. I like to play with stuff like this - I am an engineer :-) > In my user manual there is a note about warning light for > Canadian models, even for 2004. I think I will look around > for a Canadian version of the washer reservoid then :-)) But will it fit? WHY did Honda use a smaller reservoir in USA models...there MUST be a reason. Peace, Polfus >> In my user manual there is a note about warning light for >> Canadian models, even for 2004. I think I will look around [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > WHY did Honda use a smaller reservoir in USA models...there MUST be a > reason. The only reason MIGHT be that the smaller reservoir with no sensor is half or 1/3 the price than a bigger one with the sensor... Then somoebody very "smart" assumed that since in US there a many states that do not see snow around the year the US version does not need a big reservoir nor the sensor. Good luck Far North USA... I wonder if for US version there is a "cold weather" option to buy. I bet if it was possible even rear defroster would be removed to save on manufacturing cost. Who cares about you dealing with winter... > >> In my user manual there is a note about warning light for > >> Canadian models, even for 2004. I think I will look around [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > states that do not see snow around the year the US version does > not need a big reservoir nor the sensor. Good luck Far North USA... The same can be said for the placement of the washer nozzles in my '03 and '07 Accords, which is in a recess under the lip of the hood, a location where snow & ice tend to get packed in by the driver-side wiper on the backstroke, blocking the nozzle. --Gene >> The only reason MIGHT be that the smaller reservoir with no sensor >> is half or 1/3 the price than a bigger one with the sensor... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > location where snow & ice tend to get packed in by the driver-side wiper > on the backstroke, blocking the nozzle. Exactly the point. Mine 04 accord coupe driver nozzle is additionally very hard to adjust the way it does not hit the driver wiper in the park location. So if you want to spray a dirty window BEFORE the first swing of the wiper arm scratching your dry glass you are out of luck. It seems to be obvious that windshield washing design was the last on the designer mind when accord was on its "drafting table"... "Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com> wrote > Then somebody very "smart" assumed that since in US there a many > states that do not see snow around the year the US version does [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I bet if it was possible even rear defroster would be removed to > save on manufacturing cost. Who cares about you dealing with winter... Good point, to tell you the truth... Peace, Polfus Maybe it's > because I'm in Canada (the frozen white north and all), or maybe the design > of the '04 required a smaller reservoir. Yeah, and you guys (and girls) get the heated mirrors. We don't. Even my old '85 Scirocco had heated mirrors, but not this new Civic. Grr.... > Maybe it's >> because I'm in Canada (the frozen white north and all), or maybe the design >> of the '04 required a smaller reservoir. > > Yeah, and you guys (and girls) get the heated mirrors. We don't. Even > my old '85 Scirocco had heated mirrors, but not this new Civic. Grr.... I wonder how much savings honda got not doing these things. I got EX-L trim, you would expect it to be fully loaded - such a wrong idea. my 2008 civic LX (canadian version) has heated mirrors and a washer jug that accomodates 4L (just over 1 gallon) no problem. My 98 civic also takes over a gallon of washer fluid. t >> Maybe it's >>> because I'm in Canada (the frozen white north and all), or maybe the design [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I wonder how much savings honda got not doing these things. >I got EX-L trim, you would expect it to be fully loaded - such a wrong idea. > my 2008 civic LX (canadian version) has heated mirrors and a washer jug that > accomodates 4L (just over 1 gallon) no problem. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > -- > Message posted via CarKB.comhttp://www.carkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/honda-cars/200801/1 I work for a company that makes master cylinder reservours for the brake system manufacturers and we also make a few washer bottles. The whole thing comes down to space. The master cylinder reservoir and the washer fluid reservoirs are one of the last things designed for the engine compartment. All the hardware that must be there and has to be in a particular position are put into the envelope and the the master cylinder reservoir is designed and squeezed into whatever space is left which will allow the correct fluid volume for all the federally mandated brake system tests. It is even worse for the washer bottle. It gets squashed into whatever room is left and sometimes that space allows for a gallon and sometimes not. Since there is no federal regulation on the amount of washer fluid available, you get what fits. I hope this helps. > my 2008 civic LX (canadian version) has heated mirrors and a washer jug that > accomodates 4L (just over 1 gallon) no problem. The Owner's Manual for my 2003 Accord Sedan lists the windshield washer reservoir's capacity as 2.5l for the US model and 4.5l for the Canadian model. Does anyone know if the Canadian reservoir would fit a US model? >> my 2008 civic LX (canadian version) has heated mirrors and a washer jug that >> accomodates 4L (just over 1 gallon) no problem. > > The Owner's Manual for my 2003 Accord Sedan lists the windshield washer > reservoir's capacity as 2.5l for the US model and 4.5l for the Canadian > model. Does anyone know if the Canadian reservoir would fit a US model? That is funny, because I could fit much more than 2.5L to my 2004 coupe (US). My user manual also lists 2.6 US quarts / 2.5 liter. What is going on ? > That is funny, because I could fit much more than 2.5L to my 2004 coupe > (US). Really? Are you sure? How much is "much more" would you estimate? Peace, Polfus >> That is funny, because I could fit much more than 2.5L to my 2004 coupe >> (US). > > Really? Are you sure? How much is "much more" would you estimate? To be more precise I have measured left over from the gallon bottle: it was 3 1/2 cups. So my honda fits at least 3 quarts and 1/2 cup. The reservoir was not completelly dry when I pour the new fluid there. >>> That is funny, because I could fit much more than 2.5L to my 2004 coupe >>> (US). [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > it was 3 1/2 cups. So my honda fits at least 3 quarts and 1/2 cup. > The reservoir was not completelly dry when I pour the new fluid there. Well quit confusing me...I have enough trouble as it is :) Peace, Polfus >> my 2008 civic LX (canadian version) has heated mirrors and a washer jug >> that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > reservoir's capacity as 2.5l for the US model and 4.5l for the Canadian > model. Does anyone know if the Canadian reservoir would fit a US model? Good question, that is! Peace, Polfus >>> my 2008 civic LX (canadian version) has heated mirrors and a washer jug >>> that [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Good question, that is! If I knew a good online part store handling Canada and knew the part number for the canadian version reservoir I would buy it to check :-) Any group members from Canada are reading us maybe? > Maybe it's >> because I'm in Canada (the frozen white north and all), or maybe the >> design of the '04 required a smaller reservoir. > Yeah, and you guys (and girls) get the heated mirrors. We don't. Even my > old '85 Scirocco had heated mirrors, but not this new Civic. Grr.... Yeah, this is my first experience with heated mirrors, and they're a lot more useful than I first thought... even without ice or snow they clear off condensation nicely :) >> Maybe it's >>> because I'm in Canada (the frozen white north and all), or maybe the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > more useful than I first thought... even without ice or snow they clear > off condensation nicely :) Yeah they do! I was also pleasantly surprised at their effectiveness. Peace, Polfus > >> Maybe it's >>>> because I'm in Canada (the frozen white north and all), or maybe the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Yeah they do! I was also pleasantly surprised at their effectiveness. Anybody knows where is the switch to control heat to the mirrors? > Anybody knows where is the switch to control heat to the mirrors? On the dash, to the very right of the air blower choices, closest to the passenger seat..you'll see the little rear-view mirror icon. Peace, Polfus > Anybody knows where is the switch to control heat to the mirrors? You can see it here on the right of the picture: http://automobiles.honda.com/images/2008/accord-sedan/interior-gallery/gal_lg4.jpg Above AC button, to the left of "Mode" button, on this model. Peace, Polfus >> Anybody knows where is the switch to control heat to the mirrors? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Above AC button, to the left of "Mode" button, on this model. Thanks, but I was wondering about 2004 coupe without navi. Did they have heater mirrors in Canada back in 2004? >>> Anybody knows where is the switch to control heat to the mirrors? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Thanks, but I was wondering about 2004 coupe without navi. I don't think the US version did. > Did they have heater mirrors in Canada back in 2004? Good question... Peace, Polfus >> I can see you are an old fashioned guy who likes to spend time >> with his car and keep the garage full of funny bottles... :-) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > because I'm in Canada (the frozen white north and all), or maybe the > design of the '04 required a smaller reservoir. Yes..Canadian models have a larger reservoir than US models...4.5L whereas we have a 2.5L here in USA. A 1 gallon jug equates to 3.8L or so, so a 1 gallon jug will readily go into your Accord. In USA, a 2.5L reservoir comes out to .65 gallons, so thats why the thread we now participate in....there's .35 gallons left over fluid using a 1 gallon jug here in USA on a car designed using metric system in Japan and that upset the original poster who thinks its a design flaw, even though it may be just the way it works out here in USA since we STILL have not gotten a grip on the metric system, or Americans just refuse to...but thats a whole other thread. Peace, Polfus Canadians also pay 15-20% more for the same vehicle than you lucky basts in the US... maybe this is Honda's way of saying sorry... HA! t >>> I can see you are an old fashioned guy who likes to spend time >>> with his car and keep the garage full of funny bottles... :-) [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >Peace, >Polfus > Canadians also pay 15-20% more for the same vehicle than you lucky basts in > the US... maybe this is Honda's way of saying sorry... HA! It is hard to imagine that heated mirrors + bigger washer reservoir make the car 15-20% more expensive :-) in other words, be happy with what you got! Base Accord LX in Canada (but bigger washer resevoir) = $26480 Same Accord in USA = $20995 Price includes freight and PDI. t >> Canadians also pay 15-20% more for the same vehicle than you lucky basts in >> the US... maybe this is Honda's way of saying sorry... HA! > >It is hard to imagine that heated mirrors + bigger washer reservoir >make the car 15-20% more expensive :-) > Good design in my opinion would be low fluid warning light > on the dashboard and reservoir big enough to hold FULL > bottle > when the warning ligth comes on to minimalise required > mainenance. I personally am finding much of the "fancy" electronics to be more trouble than they're worth. I am on an extended visit in a house with a heat pump with too many electronics to it. Four visits so far from the repair technician in one year. Contrast this with my own house's furnace: Four years and no problems whatsoever. Same deal with newer cars. So much of the electronics are bells and whistles or break too often. >> Good design in my opinion would be low fluid warning light >> on the dashboard and reservoir big enough to hold FULL [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Same deal with newer cars. So much of the electronics are > bells and whistles or break too often. Yes, but taking your argument you should use abacus instead of your computer to do all the calculations ;-) I generally agree with you that fancy electronics add components to the system, and in consequence we have more components, and bigger probability for a system failure due to the single component failure... But in the case of the low fluid warning lamps it is no issue, because if the warning system fails you will not have anything worse than a system without warning system. So if you have to choose a system with no warning light and a system with a warning light which might get wrong some day I would take the "risk" of having this convenience. To be honest I am going to find this sender unit on some Canadian autoparts site and outfit it in my USA version :-) I hope necessary harness is there to give the signal to the light on the dashboard... If successful I promisse to come back here and describe this mod for anybody wanting to do the same. > To be honest I am going to find this sender unit on some > Canadian autoparts site and outfit it in my USA version [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to come back here and describe this mod for anybody > wanting to do the same. No thanks. I can tell a non-engineer, non-technician when I see him. >> To be honest I am going to find this sender unit on some >> Canadian autoparts site and outfit it in my USA version [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > No thanks. I can tell a non-engineer, non-technician when > I see him. Any problems at work or at home? Can we help you somehow to improve your self esteem?? > > To be honest I am going to find this sender unit on some > > Canadian autoparts site and outfit it in my USA version [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > No thanks. I can tell a non-engineer, non-technician when I > see him. I am going to add this issue to my list of 100,000,000 of the World's greatest problems, but cannot assure you that it will be at the top. Keep in mind that I am the sort of guy who is just happy when my car actually starts in the morning. <watson.g@sbcglobal.net> wrote "Elle" <honda.lion...@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote: > "Pszemol" <Psze...@PolBox.com> wrote >>> I hope necessary harness is there to give the signal to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> I >>see him. > I am going to add this issue to my list of > 100,000,000 of the World's greatest > problems, but cannot assure you that it > will be at the top. Keep in mind that I am > the sort of guy who is just happy when my car > actually starts in the morning. :-) We're in the middle of a serious recession. The underpinnings are too much credit. IOW, money has just disappeared. The nation and now world are in a panic, and unfortunately it's justified (for at least a year or more). Then this spoiled, unskilled uneducated yuppie is complaining that he can't add a full gallon of windshield washer fluid to his Honda. > But in the case of the low fluid warning lamps it is no > issue, because if the warning system fails you will not > have anything worse than a system without warning system. > So if you have to choose a system with no warning light > and a system with a warning light which might get wrong > some day I would take the "risk" of having this convenience. Yes. So much better to depend on a possibly malfunctioning warning lamp when checking it manually would be such a bother. Now, once you've made the modification, you will assume it has ample fluid. Then, just when you need it most (windshield covered with crud from a truck) you will go to use the washer fluid and then discover it is empty because no one bothered to lift the hood and look. Yes, "a system with a warning light which might get wrong some day" is definitely an improvement! > But in the case of the low fluid warning lamps it is no > issue, because if the warning system fails you will not > have anything worse than a system without warning system. > So if you have to choose a system with no warning light > and a system with a warning light which might get wrong > some day I would take the "risk" of having this convenience. NOTHING will be more reliable than checking the reservoir with your own eyes regularly. Its free, fool-proof, and void of any chance of electrical malfunction. Peace, Polfus >> But in the case of the low fluid warning lamps it is no >> issue, because if the warning system fails you will not [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Its free, fool-proof, and void of any chance of electrical malfunction. It is probably funny to you, but me presonally - I would trust more heartless machine and an electronic circuit than my very unreliable human memory. That same thinking is used to install headlights on chime when you open the driver door - exactly because humans tend to be forgetful. And exactly as with the headlights chime circuit, low washer fluid light ADDS a step to the system and does not prevent you from checking the fluid level in a more traditional way with a dipstick, if you want. So for me - big YES for the warning light, it will never bother you, because you will check the fluid level every day and top it off every time you plan to drive, right? :-) > That same thinking is used to install headlights on chime > when you open the driver door - exactly because humans [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > fluid level in a more traditional way with a dipstick, > if you want. As a side note, I finally noticed that the long plastic strap that retains the washer reservoir cap IS a dipstick, with markings and everything... I never thought to check the level, I just fill it up when I know I've been using a lot... --Gene >> NOTHING will be more reliable than checking the reservoir with your own >> eyes regularly. >> >> Its free, fool-proof, and void of any chance of electrical malfunction. > > It is probably funny to you, I wan't trying to be funny, just honest..really...checking visually regularly is just what I do...everyone's different :) > but me presonally - I would > trust more heartless machine and an electronic circuit > than my very unreliable human memory. Good point...everyone's different as I said, and perhaps checking regularly isn't an option, especially if you don't even like to get out of your car when its so cold and rainy... > That same thinking is used to install headlights on chime > when you open the driver door - exactly because humans [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > bother you, because you will check the fluid level every > day and top it off every time you plan to drive, right? :-) Oh no....of course not ! Like I said as well..I agree with you, and would love the warning option for it as well like on Canadian models. Peace, Polfus > Like I said as well..I agree with you, and would love the warning > option for it as well like on Canadian models. You may not even have the wiring for it. Certainly you don't have the dash light.  SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >> Like I said as well..I agree with you, and would love the warning >> option for it as well like on Canadian models. > > You may not even have the wiring for it. Certainly you don't have the dash > light. Cool...makes no difference to me...I seem to check the fluids regularly as I enjoy taking care of my car. I mean..seriously..I like doing the maintenance. I mean...a pilot walks around his airplane-know what I mean? Peace, Polfus >>> But in the case of the low fluid warning lamps it is no >>> issue, because if the warning system fails you will not [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > trust more heartless machine and an electronic circuit > than my very unreliable human memory. You must either rarely ever have to fill the reservoir up or never lift the hood of your car. I never have a problem. Well, there was one once. I had driven some 500 miles on one of those winter days when the road was just wet. Muddy spray from the traffic ahead meant I was using the sprayers every few seconds, it seemed. I went through what was in the tank, a whole new gallon, and I still ran out. > That same thinking is used to install headlights on chime > when you open the driver door - exactly because humans > tend to be forgetful. I unplugged mine because it was making me careless. Plus I unplugged the key-in beeper for the same reason. In the ensuing 15 years paranoia has ensured I have neither left my headlights on nor locked myself out, not even once. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >For the second time I needed to refil washer fluid in >my 2004 accord coupe. I got the 1 gallon jug from the >store when the washer nozzles stopped delivering fluid. >Poured the bottle but before the bottle was empty >the container in the car was full and overflowing. >2-3 inches of the fluid left unused in the bottle. >Is this what you get? Or my pump is not sucking all >the fluid from the container? >Why would you design a car with a washer fluid >container just smaller than the widely available >container the fluid is sold in the stores? For the same reason you don't design all cars with a 200 gallon fuel tank. >Would you consider it as a bad design? Only if you expect to have a lot of owners without the technical skills required to reseal a container and stow it away. > For the same reason you don't design all cars with a 200 gallon fuel tank. This is your second stupid analogy in this thread... Where can you buy fuel in 200 gallon barrels in retail? I would suggest you think your responses trough before you hit the send button... >>Would you consider it as a bad design? > Only if you expect to have a lot of owners without the technical skills > required to reseal a container and stow it away. I am sure you have technical skills to get up from the couch and walk to the TV to change the channel but you still think it is very convenient to use the remote... It is not that I cannot put the cap back on the bottle and store the bottle - I just see it as very inconvenient. If it was - let's say - half bottle left unused - then I would understand, but we are talking about 10-15%. Do they REALLY had such a hard time squizing this extra pint into the very slightly bigger reservoir? Doubt it. They just did not care. Lack of attention to details? >> For the same reason you don't design all cars with a 200 gallon fuel tank. > >This is your second stupid analogy in this thread... No. You're just too stupid to get it. There are compromises made in designing cars. It's lovely to have a 200 gallon fuel tank, but size and weight make it impossible. >>> For the same reason you don't design all cars with a 200 gallon fuel tank. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > designing cars. It's lovely to have a 200 gallon fuel tank, but size > and weight make it impossible. You completelly missed the point, and that is why your analogy is simply stupid. I am not arguing I want 20 gallon reservoir for a washer fluid to keep me going for two years - I am complaining that the reservoir is unable to fit a STANDARD RETAIL PACKAGE of the product. Get it now? >>>> For the same reason you don't design all cars with a 200 gallon >>>> fuel tank. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Get it now? It probably has to with available room. Automakers tend to make the washer bottles fit oddly-shaped leftover room behind the front bumper. The bottles tend to look as though they were "blown in place", they fit the weird shape so well. Maybe there wasn't any room to make your bottle any bigger. Mine happens to hold about a pint over a gallon. You should have seen the bottles they used to put on cars in the old days. They held a quart, if that. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >>>>> For the same reason you don't design all cars with a 200 gallon >>>>> fuel tank. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > You should have seen the bottles they used to put on cars in the old days. > They held a quart, if that. Yes, but things were much cleaner then. ;) > It probably has to with available room. > > Automakers tend to make the washer bottles fit oddly-shaped leftover room > behind the front bumper. The bottles tend to look as though they were > "blown in place", they fit the weird shape so well. Maybe there wasn't any > room to make your bottle any bigger. I would agree with you if I did not know that Canadian version of the Accord has almost twice the volume its reservoir... I cannot imagine Canadian version having much more space in that area to fit a bigger bottle with a sensor and extra wire. I would rather lean toward saving money with smaller, simpler bottle. > Mine happens to hold about a pint over a gallon. Is yours Canadian version? Acording to the specs it should fit 4.5 liters. > You should have seen the bottles they used to put on cars in the old days. > They held a quart, if that. Well, maybe they were designed to be sold in California only? ;-) The poor guy in Montana or Michigan would have to add the fluid every 15 minutes during his winter trips... ;-) >> It probably has to with available room. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I would agree with you if I did not know that Canadian version > of the Accord has almost twice the volume its reservoir... I found it hard to believe Honda would spend the money to make two different reservoir sizes...until I checked the reservoir capacities for my Canadian car and the US version of that same car. Canadian version: 4.5L (4.8qt) US version: 2.5L (2.6qt) So you're right! That is weird. Maybe they're using the smaller bottle on US cars to save weight. Canada has never had CAFE-type mileage regulations like the US has had since 1975, so weight's never been a concern up here like down there. > I cannot imagine Canadian version having much more space in > that area to fit a bigger bottle with a sensor and extra wire. > I would rather lean toward saving money with smaller, simpler bottle. Or a lighter one with less fluid... > >> Mine happens to hold about a pint over a gallon. > > Is yours Canadian version? Acording to the specs it should fit 4.5 > liters. It's a Canadian-market vehicle and it does. The reservoir actually still has about an inch of fluid in it when the sprayers stop working. This is because the motor pickup is part-way up the side of the bottle. I've discovered I can get a few more squirts out of it if I swerve left then right briefly while operating the sprayer. :) >> You should have seen the bottles they used to put on cars in the old >> days. They held a quart, if that. > > Well, maybe they were designed to be sold in California only? ;-) Nope. Up here in Canada too. My '75 Corolla's bottle held a quart, had a filler neck the size of a quarter, and was right up against the firewall. What a pig to fill. My dad's '70 Ford had an even smaller bottle as I recall. > The poor guy in Montana or Michigan would have to add the fluid > every 15 minutes during his winter trips... ;-) We did. It was /most/ annoying. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > I found it hard to believe Honda would spend the money to make two > different reservoir sizes...until I checked the reservoir capacities for [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > has had since 1975, so weight's never been a concern up here like down > there. Maybe, but I am tempted to find a Canadian version reservoir with a sending unit (float switch) and fit it to my US Accord. Are you located in Canada? Could you point me to some good online store where I could find the parts I need or at least look up the part numbers for Canadian version? > It's a Canadian-market vehicle and it does. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I've discovered I can get a few more squirts out of it if I swerve left > then right briefly while operating the sprayer. :) Nice trick, but they probably have done this intentionally to avoid some dust or crud precipitating potentially from the fluid and collecting at the bottom entering the pump and clogging your sprayer nozzles... So I would not do it other than in emergency situation when you have to clean the glass no matter what :-) >> I found it hard to believe Honda would spend the money to make two >> different reservoir sizes...until I checked the reservoir capacities for [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> has had since 1975, so weight's never been a concern up here like down >> there. >Maybe, but I am tempted to find a Canadian version reservoir >with a sending unit (float switch) and fit it to my US Accord. >Are you located in Canada? Could you point me to some good >online store where I could find the parts I need or at least >look up the part numbers for Canadian version? What are you going to do when it doesn't fit? >>Maybe, but I am tempted to find a Canadian version reservoir >>with a sending unit (float switch) and fit it to my US Accord. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What are you going to do when it doesn't fit? You are so pessimistic :-) Why would it not fit? It does fit Canadian version, right? In a worse case I will try to return it to the store or if this idea does not work, sell it on www.eBay.ca :-) >>>Maybe, but I am tempted to find a Canadian version reservoir >>>with a sending unit (float switch) and fit it to my US Accord. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> What are you going to do when it doesn't fit? >You are so pessimistic :-) Have you ever looked in the engine compartment of any car made in the last twenty five years? There won't be enough free space around it for anything bigger. >Why would it not fit? It does fit Canadian version, right? The canadian version will have a different engine compartment layout around the reservoir. >>> What are you going to do when it doesn't fit? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > twenty five years? There won't be enough free space around it for anything > bigger. Yes, I have looked there in several cars :-) Actually, washer bottle is usually located outside of the engine compartment, between passenger fron wheel plastic skirt and the front bumper. Very, very low, almost in the bumper. >>Why would it not fit? It does fit Canadian version, right? > The canadian version will have a different engine compartment > layout around the reservoir. Not necessairly. How can you be so sure if you did not inspect them two to compare their engine compartment? "Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com> wrote > Actually, washer bottle is usually located outside of the > engine compartment, between passenger fron wheel plastic skirt > and the front bumper. Very, very low, almost in the bumper. Here's a view on a V6 Accord--the bottle with the light blue cap: http://z.about.com/d/cars/1/0/u/x/08Accord_v6engine.jpg Peace, Polfus "Polfus" <nostringscouldsecureyou@thestation> wrote in news:47951338$0$6139 $4c368faf@roadrunner.com: > "Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://z.about.com/d/cars/1/0/u/x/08Accord_v6engine.jpg You can't see the washer bottle in that pic. Just the filler neck. Besides, the '08 is a different generation from Pzsemol's '07. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > "Polfus" <nostringscouldsecureyou@thestation> wrote in > news:47951338$0$6139 [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Besides, the '08 is a different generation from Pzsemol's '07. True, my man. Was just a general pic to get the idea how cramped it may be for th larger bottle...I admit I don't have a clue especially since my car is in a parking lot a few buildings away from me. Its 27 degrees and I shall not be venturing outside to check a windshield wiper fluid reservoir this evening, if you know what I mean. Peace, Polfus >> "Polfus" <nostringscouldsecureyou@thestation> wrote in >> news:47951338$0$6139 [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Was just a general pic to get the idea how cramped it may be for th > larger bottle... Here's my Canadian one-gallon bottle. http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/90-93_teg_ww-fluid_bottle.jpg Bumper has been removed. It's tighter than tight in there with the bumper on. > I admit I don't have a clue especially since my car is > in a parking lot a few buildings away from me. Its 27 degrees and I > shall not be venturing outside to check a windshield wiper fluid > reservoir this evening, if you know what I mean. It's 5 degrees right now as I type. Not fun out there. The most I've done in the last two months is drill some holes in the wife's right-front signal light to let out the moisture that's suddenly been accumulating in it. This is a Toyota by the way... SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > Here's my Canadian one-gallon bottle. > http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/90-93_teg_ww-fluid_bottle.jpg > Bumper has been removed. > > It's tighter than tight in there with the bumper on. Wow...I never knew they were under there like that..the 2.5L just fits in the engine compartment, IIRC...not big enough to require the "under the bumper" housing. Thanks for that pic...very illustrative and specific. You didn't take that obviously just for this thread... And I shall go so far as to say that it appears that there is NO WAY that will fit inside the engine compartment of Pz's 2007 Accord. >> I admit I don't have a clue especially since my car is >> in a parking lot a few buildings away from me. Its 27 degrees and I >> shall not be venturing outside to check a windshield wiper fluid >> reservoir this evening, if you know what I mean. > > It's 5 degrees right now as I type. Not fun out there. I feel like someone is slapping me around when I go out in this weather..I swear if I could hibernate.... > The most I've done in the last two months is drill some holes in the > wife's right-front signal light to let out the moisture that's suddenly > been accumulating in it. This is a Toyota by the way... Then drill *more* holes in it...heh. FWIW: the scariest car I ever drove was a 1987 or so Toyota Supra. I actually pulled over and told the dude I didn't wanna drive it any more. And another quick Toyota story is I always liked the way the original Corollas felt with the old stick shift..that was a fun car. > Tegger Where are you anyway? Near the border I would imagine? Minnesota? Michigan? ( hope I spelled 'em right ) Peace, Polfus > Wow...I never knew they were under there like that..the 2.5L just fits in > the engine compartment, IIRC...not big enough to require the "under the > bumper" housing. I saw couple older model on junkyard here west from Chicago and they were actually behind the bumper. >> Wow...I never knew they were under there like that..the 2.5L just fits in >> the engine compartment, IIRC...not big enough to require the "under the >> bumper" housing. > > I saw couple older model on junkyard here west from Chicago > and they were actually behind the bumper. Cool...Im just trying to stimulate conversation and like I said..I ain't going utside to check to see 'cause its too damn cold here in NYC. I will when I can though! So mine's *under* the front bumper? "Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit doing methamphetamines!" -Airplane! Peace, Polfus >> I saw couple older model on junkyard here west from Chicago >> and they were actually behind the bumper. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I will when I can though! So mine's *under* the front bumper? Well, I should say under the engine compartment metal floor and behind the bumper. There is a hole in the metal floor and the bottle neck is sticking up to let you fill the bottle from under the hood. But the fluid is going down in the low corner. >> Here's my Canadian one-gallon bottle. >> http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/90-93_teg_ww-fluid_bottle.jpg [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Thanks for that pic...very illustrative and specific. You didn't take > that obviously just for this thread... No. I took that two years ago when I replaced the power steering oil cooler (rusty). > And I shall go so far as to say that it appears that there is NO WAY > that will fit inside the engine compartment of Pz's 2007 Accord. It must. The Canadian bottle for his Accord holds 4.8 qt. >>> I admit I don't have a clue especially since my car is >>> in a parking lot a few buildings away from me. Its 27 degrees and I [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Then drill *more* holes in it...heh. Had to do the same thing to the same light on my car last summer. > FWIW: the scariest car I ever drove was a 1987 or so Toyota Supra. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And another quick Toyota story is I always liked the way the original > Corollas felt with the old stick shift..that was a fun car. The RWD Corollas had a stick that went straight into the box with no outside linkage. There were three solid rods which engaged a nylon- covered ball on the end of the stick. The action was slick and very precise. When I bought my car (brand-new in 1991), I was shocked how vague and sloppy the shifter felt compared to my '82 Corolla's, which had something like 175,000 miles on it at the time. > Where are you anyway? Near the border I would imagine? Minnesota? > Michigan? ( hope I spelled 'em right ) I'm in Ontario, Canada, a couple of hours from the border. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > Here's my Canadian one-gallon bottle. > http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/90-93_teg_ww-fluid_bottle.jpg > Bumper has been removed. > > It's tighter than tight in there with the bumper on. This is what I saw on the junkyard here in Chicagoland... Do not remember which year I saw exposed like this, but it had bumber taken out and I was bending the wheel compartment skirt down to take a look at the bottle... Did not see any float switch, so it was obviously US version. What is interesting on your picture - I sew two gizmos like pumps there... Do you have headlight sprinkler nozzles or back window wiper nozzle? My accord coupe has only one pump as far as I know... >> Here's my Canadian one-gallon bottle. >> http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/90-93_teg_ww-fluid_bottle.jpg [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > back window wiper nozzle? My accord coupe has only one pump > as far as I know... The second motor on my bottle is for the rear window washer. I've got a hatchback Integra with a rear wiper. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >>> Here's my Canadian one-gallon bottle. >>> http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/90-93_teg_ww-fluid_bottle.jpg [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > The second motor on my bottle is for the rear window washer. > I've got a hatchback Integra with a rear wiper. I see. Do you have low washer level sensor? If so, where was it located and where did wires plug in? >>>> Here's my Canadian one-gallon bottle. >>>> http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/90-93_teg_ww-fluid_bottle.jpg [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > I see. Do you have low washer level sensor? > If so, where was it located and where did wires plug in? No washer level sensor. The car's too old ('91) and not high enough in the Honda food chain. I determine my washer fluid level by looking at the position of the yellow foam-rubber bobber in the filler neck. High tech, y'know. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > No washer level sensor. The car's too old ('91) and not high enough in the > Honda food chain. > > I determine my washer fluid level by looking at the position of the yellow > foam-rubber bobber in the filler neck. High tech, y'know. I know what you are talking about - have the same thing in my camry '95. "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote > I determine my washer fluid level by looking at the position of the yellow > foam-rubber bobber in the filler neck. High tech, y'know. Why can't Honda make a foam-rubber bobber that's red, or green..why does it always have to be yellow? I mean..yellow isn't a main primary color in the Additive Color System, so isn't this a design flaw? "Damnit, Spock..I *need* the answers!" Peace, Polfus > "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > "Damnit, Spock..I *need* the answers!" (switching personna) "I canna change the laws of physics, Captain" >>> Actually, washer bottle is usually located outside of the >>> engine compartment, between passenger fron wheel plastic skirt [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Besides, the '08 is a different generation from Pzsemol's '07. Mine is '04 coupe, unfortunatelly :-) And yes, what is on the picture is a filler neck... The bottle is down behind the front bumper corner. >>> I found it hard to believe Honda would spend the money to make two >>> different reservoir sizes...until I checked the reservoir capacities for [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > What are you going to do when it doesn't fit? Piss & moan in Usenet about how Honda doesn't care about its customers and various "design flaws"? Just a guess. ;) >> I found it hard to believe Honda would spend the money to make two >> different reservoir sizes...until I checked the reservoir capacities [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > with a sending unit (float switch) and fit it to my US Accord. > Are you located in Canada? Yep. Right smack in the middle of the worst of the Rust Belt. > Could you point me to some good > online store where I could find the parts I need or at least > look up the part numbers for Canadian version? There isn't any. Believe me, I've checked. I'd have to phone a Canadian Honda dealer (which I can do if you wish). Or I could check the wreckers. Accords are a dime a dozen in the wreckers up here (although '03-'07 might be a bit too new and hard to find just yet). A washer bottle and level switch can't be more than ten bucks. If you're serious, I can search some wreckers for '03-'07 washer bottles for you. You'd have to pay the shipping (just like eBay). Whether it would fit behind the US bumper rebar is another story. US bumper rebars are different from Canadian ones (2.5mph vs 5 mph) and may even be a different shape. Dom's Auto Parts in Courtice Ont. tends to have a a good selection of newer cars. I could check there first. They're big so they tend to get first pick from the insurance writeoffs. >> It's a Canadian-market vehicle and it does. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > the fluid and collecting at the bottom entering the pump > and clogging your sprayer nozzles... That's certainly the reason. > So I would not do it > other than in emergency situation when you have to clean > the glass no matter what :-) After 17 years of doing this I'm not too worried. I can't swerve THAT hard and not lose control. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >> Maybe, but I am tempted to find a Canadian version reservoir >> with a sending unit (float switch) and fit it to my US Accord. >> Are you located in Canada? > > Yep. Right smack in the middle of the worst of the Rust Belt. Cool to know you are from there... So far I have only good contacts with Canadians. Very friendly people! I had a pleasure to work with nice guys and gals in Newfundland, on business last year... Had a great time, hardly feeling like at work - good hospitality. They got me screech in, of course ;-) >> Could you point me to some good >> online store where I could find the parts I need or at least >> look up the part numbers for Canadian version? > > There isn't any. Believe me, I've checked. I was surprised myself since I was sure my "googling" skills are above average but could not find anything interesting... Couple different stores seem to use the same underlaying search engine, same parts available and no washer bottles :-) How is it possible you guys don't have a decent parts store? Do you buy everything across the fence? ;-) > I'd have to phone a Canadian Honda dealer (which I can do if you wish). Well, I could call Honda in St. John's myself - it is possible I will be back on business trip next month up there... this way I could order it ahead of time and pick it up myself. I hope they would not give me hard time if I put it in my suitcase :-) But... it could be expensive at the dealership... It would be much better to do experiment like this with a cheaper part from the junkyard, of course. > Or I could check the wreckers. Accords are a dime a dozen in the > wreckers up here (although '03-'07 might be a bit too new and hard to > find just yet). A washer bottle and level switch can't be more than ten > bucks. I have checked one junkyard in my area - the kind you can go to the yard and remove the part yourself with your own tools... My plan was to find seventh generation accord and try to play with the skirt, bumper and the washer bottle to see how much free room is there behind the bumper. It would be safer to play with the junk car - this way I would be ready for the job on my car :-) This way I could do disassembly quickly without worrying to put everything back in order, without a scratch :-) Unfortunatelly this car is way too new for yunkyards... The newest car I could find on the "foreign" lot was 2000 daewoo lanos... :-) Accords only from 92-97... nothing newer. All 4 doors. Not even a single coupe, but I figure 4dr and 2dr have the same bottle... don't you think? > If you're serious, I can search some wreckers for '03-'07 washer bottles > for you. You'd have to pay the shipping (just like eBay). Whether it [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > newer cars. I could check there first. They're big so they tend to get > first pick from the insurance writeoffs. Appreciate the offer... it would be great if you find one. I am very serious about it, but before I would bother you with such a search I want to wait for the weather to get little warmer and try to see if there is some room there behind the bumper. If I'd not find the 7th gen accord on junkyard I will remove wheel skirt from mine to see. Let's keep in touch... Thanks! >> Dom's Auto Parts in Courtice Ont. tends to have a a good selection of >> newer cars. I could check there first. They're big so they tend to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Let's keep in touch... > Thanks! Contact me via email if you wish to go ahead with this when the weather gets warmer. I don't want to be crawling around a cold, wet, muddy wrecking yard just now either. :( SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > Contact me via email if you wish to go ahead with this when the weather > gets warmer. I don't want to be crawling around a cold, wet, muddy wrecking > yard just now either. :( Sure thing. Thanks a lot. "Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com> wrote > It is not that I cannot put the cap back on the bottle > and store the bottle - I just see it as very inconvenient. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > pint into the very slightly bigger reservoir? Doubt it. > They just did not care. Lack of attention to details? The correct amount is actually 35% left over. 1 gallon is 3.8L or so. A 2.5L reservoir can handle .65 gallons....or 65% of a 1 gallon jug. Therefore, 35% remains. Peace, Polfus > "Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Therefore, 35% remains. Previous estimate was eye-balled to be 15%. The measured lefover from the bottle was 3 & 1/2 cups. > "Polfus" <nostringscouldsecureyou@thestation> wrote >> "Pszemol" > <Pszemol@PolBox.com> wrote [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Previous estimate was eye-balled to be 15%. > The measured lefover from the bottle was 3 & 1/2 cups. Hey..no biggie...someone had to do the math :) Peace, Polfus > For the second time I needed to refil washer fluid in > my 2004 accord coupe. I got the 1 gallon jug from the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Would you consider it as a bad design? Not really, you can use the extra to clean your windows. > Not really, you can use the extra to clean your windows. I would prefer to have a choice: pour whole bottle or leave couple of drops on the bottom for cleaning. I know it is a small think, really a detail, but it is showing that Honda does not care about details. > I know it is a small think, really a detail, but > it is showing that Honda does not care about details. Perhaps it was designed with a metric volume in mind. >> I know it is a small think, really a detail, but >> it is showing that Honda does not care about details. > > Perhaps it was designed with a metric volume in mind. Well, the reason for this design decision is unknown. Toyota designing camry could also just get lucky... :-) >> Not really, you can use the extra to clean your windows. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I know it is a small think, really a detail, but > it is showing that Honda does not care about details. Absolutely not - you're making a mountain out of a molehill here. Just because the windshield washer reservoir doesn't hold a full gallon doesn't make it a design flaw or reflect that Honda doesn't care about details. Give it a rest, please, OK? >>> Not really, you can use the extra to clean your windows. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > doesn't make it a design flaw or reflect that Honda doesn't care about > details. ... in your humble opinion. I my - also humble opinion - it does make it a design flaw. > Give it a rest, please, OK? I am sure your newsreader has 'ignore thread' feature. Use it when not interested instead telling me what to do. >>>> Not really, you can use the extra to clean your windows. >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > ... in your humble opinion. > I my - also humble opinion - it does make it a design flaw. The difference is you are wrong. >>>>> Not really, you can use the extra to clean your windows. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > The difference is you are wrong. Of course I am wrong :-) You are obviously always right. "Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com> wrote >> The difference is you are wrong. > > Of course I am wrong :-) You are obviously always right. No, that makes you wrong. Or right..wait a minute...what's the question? Where's my Geritol, anyway?! Peace, Polfus >For the second time I needed to refil washer fluid in >my 2004 accord coupe. I got the 1 gallon jug from the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Would you consider it as a bad design? That's a really, really bad idea to let the fluid nearly run out before refilling. I never let mine get more than a couple of inches low. If you are ever driving on a dark road late at night in the middle of nowhere, with 18-wheelers spraying you with dirty water, you will understand why. If you never leave the city perhaps you can get away with it. Normally, with 3,000 mile service, Honda refills mine and I seldom have to worry about it unless we have a lot of snow and/or rain. Worrying about how much the washer fluid container held would be about number 689 on my list of things to be concerned about. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Worrying about how much the washer fluid container held would be > about number 689 on my list of things to be concerned about. And you probably think everybody is the same as you? :-) "Dick" <w6ccd@k7yca.org> wrote in > That's a really, really bad idea to let the fluid nearly run out > before refilling. I never let mine get more than a couple of inches > low. If you are ever driving on a dark road late at night in the > middle of nowhere, with 18-wheelers spraying you with dirty water, you > will understand why. Amen. > If you never leave the city perhaps you can get > away with it. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Worrying about how much the washer fluid container held would be about > number 689 on my list of things to be concerned about. Yup...plus, it encourages one to check regularly, if you think about it. Peace, Polfus >> If you never leave the city perhaps you can get >> away with it. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Yup...plus, it encourages one to check regularly, if you think about it. So you think a smaller bottle is a benefit compared to a bigger one? You must be kidding. >>> If you never leave the city perhaps you can get >>> away with it. Normally, with 3,000 mile service, Honda refills mine and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > So you think a smaller bottle is a benefit compared to a bigger one? > You must be kidding. No, I'm just playing devil's advocate and all that...a smaller reservoir bottle isn't a benefit, unless you count the .00072 extra MPG from less fluid an Accord has to carry around. Heh.. Peace, Polfus > For the second time I needed to refil washer fluid in > my 2004 accord coupe. I got the 1 gallon jug from the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Would you consider it as a bad design? The store where I get my ww fluid is now selling it in a "Super Value" 160 oz size which is 5 quarts. My wifes van holds a whole gallon but now she has a quart leftover so I jump up and down and yell "In your face Be-otch"! That leftover quart hurts like hell after it's been hurled across the garage. Dude...I have read every response up to today, so I am going back and responding to your original post: > For the second time I needed to refil washer fluid in > my 2004 accord coupe. I got the 1 gallon jug from the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Would you consider it as a bad design? The 2004 Accord should have about a 2.5L reservoir, or 2.6 US quarts. The Japanese do things using the metric system. The conversions result in weird numbers here in the US, as you see. So a 2.5L reservoir comes out to .65 gallons, so thats why there's .35 gallons left over fluid using a 1 gallon jug. Canada DOES use the metric system, and they also use a 4.5L reservoir WITH a low level indicator on the dash panel. And if you took an American 1 gallon jug to Canada and tried to put it in their Accord, it would readily fit ALL of the jug...since 1 gallon is about 3.8L. Now...your question is about "bad design". Hmmm..interesting question the more I think about it. I think it would be nice as hell to have a larger reservoir, but we don't. As far as I can see, the wiper fluid reservoir is the only thing that is larger in the Accord capacity wise in Canadian models..all other fluid capacities seem to be the same. So something has made the Canadian models have a larger windshield fluid reservoir...like getting towards twice as large. The real question then becomes WHY? Canadians sell 4L jugs of windshield wiper fluid...so that will obviously fit completely in a 4.5L reservoir. A 1 gallon US jug of wiper fluid also fit completely in a 4.5L reservoir. A 4L Canadian jug will not fit a USA capacity, obviously. So a Canadian Accord WILL take both a 1 gallon USA and a Canadian 4L jug. An American Accord can't gulp the whole bottle down of with USA or Canadian commercially available windshield wiper fluids. Ain't that a bitch?! So...well....yeah..I guess you could look at it as a design flaw....or an optional windshield wiper reservoir oversite... Now I want to know WHY the US model is so much smaller...maybe because we don't use it as much as in Canada where the roads are terrible and the windshields of Canadian cars on the highways can get so dirty and dangerous that there needs to be more because Canadians use the stuff all the time? Is it smaller in USA models because of something in the engine compartment that US models have that restricts the 4.5L reservoir? Is it because in USA we can check more often our fluids when we fill up the gas, as our manuals suggest? Do Americans like being psyched out to thing they are getting their money's worth in a 1 gallon jug because we have more left over even when we fill our reservoir to max? That should get some people talking.... Peace, Polfus > Dude...I have read every response up to today, so I am going back and > responding to your original post: [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > Peace, > Polfus About the O.P. stating it is a bad design the Accord windshield washer reservoir does not fit a gallon of washer fluid.... Isn't this the same arguement as, why doesn't an engine use a round quart of oil? Why would it be 4.5 quarts, 5.2 quarts, etc. Is it a bad engine design? Nah. We just need to redefine the volume of a U.S. gallon and a U.S. quart... -Dave <snip> > About the O.P. stating it is a bad design the Accord windshield washer > reservoir does not fit a gallon of washer fluid.... Isn't this the same > arguement as, why doesn't an engine use a round quart of oil? Why would it > be 4.5 quarts, 5.2 quarts, etc. Is it a bad engine design? Nah. We just > need to redefine the volume of a U.S. gallon and a U.S. quart... How about catching up to the rest of the world and using the metric system? It's mostly just the public who still use feet, pounds, etc., any company who wants to operate internationally converted to metric years ago, I think the military uses it, as does the medical profession, etc., etc. > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > ago, I think the military uses it, as does the medical profession, etc., > etc. Gotta tell those oil maufacturers that! All of the oil I see in the auto stores still come in quarts or a gallon container. Besides, even if it was measured in liters, an engine won't necessarily take an even liter amount anyway! -Dave > About the O.P. stating it is a bad design the Accord windshield washer > reservoir does not fit a gallon of washer fluid.... Isn't this the same > arguement as, why doesn't an engine use a round quart of oil? Why would it > be 4.5 quarts, 5.2 quarts, etc. Is it a bad engine design? Nah. We just > need to redefine the volume of a U.S. gallon and a U.S. quart... Engine does not consume oil and does not require oil replenishment from the end user/driver on a regular basis. At least good engine, I am not talking about really old or broken ones here loosing oil. Oil change, however easy for the end user/driver, is designed to be done at the shop by the proffessional. And a pro is seldom using a retail quart bottles. They dispense oil from a big drum. So it does not really matter for an ordinary driver how much oil fits his/her car engine. It is not his/her concern... Opposite is true for the windshield washer fluid. It is frequent maintenance item which is mostly done by the end user who does not buy washer fluid in shop quantities like 50 gallon drums... It is sold in retail in one gallon standard containers and it should fit completelly without lefover in the reservoir. Of course it is only my opinion and everybody can think differently - I do not really care to convince you all :-) >> About the O.P. stating it is a bad design the Accord windshield washer >> reservoir does not fit a gallon of washer fluid.... Isn't this the same [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > from the end user/driver on a regular basis. At least good engine, > I am not talking about really old or broken ones here loosing oil. All engines consume "some" oil, just not supposed to consume enough for the average person to need to top it off between oil changes. > Oil change, however easy for the end user/driver, is designed > to be done at the shop by the proffessional. And a pro is seldom > using a retail quart bottles. They dispense oil from a big drum. You don't need to be a "professional" to do an oil change. Safely jacking a car up, getting a little dirty and properly disposing of the used motor oil is something most don't want to do. > So it does not really matter for an ordinary driver how much oil > fits his/her car engine. It is not his/her concern... Agreed! > Opposite is true for the windshield washer fluid. It is frequent > maintenance item which is mostly done by the end user who does not > buy washer fluid in shop quantities like 50 gallon drums... Many people I know just wait until their oil change, and they have it topped off there as part of the service. Unless you're in an area to frequently need to use the washer fluid... > It is sold in retail in one gallon standard containers and > it should fit completelly without lefover in the reservoir. So a person needs to run the fluid dry before filling it up? Not a good move! I don't think the average person wants to pull over the side of the road when they run out of fluid, and happen to have a gallon to exactly top it off. > Of course it is only my opinion and everybody can think > differently - I do not really care to convince you all :-) Agreed :-) -Dave >> So it does not really matter for an ordinary driver how much oil >> fits his/her car engine. It is not his/her concern... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > off there as part of the service. Unless you're in an area to frequently > need to use the washer fluid... Any time you have snow you are pretty much out of luck to survive 3000 or 5000 miles on one fill of the washer fluid. I am in Chicago so every winter there is a problem with snow+salt on the road. Washer fluid is used up pretty quickly. >> It is sold in retail in one gallon standard containers and >> it should fit completelly without lefover in the reservoir. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > road when they run out of fluid, and happen to have a gallon to exactly top > it off. Well, I do not have checking washer fluid level in my routine. So yes, I fill up the reservoir when it is empty... Do not pull on the side of the road - just drive to the next gas station and buy the bottle, pour it and dispose... Yes, I travel mostly in the city-suburb area so I do not risk being in the middle of nowhere with no fluid... >>> So it does not really matter for an ordinary driver how much oil >>> fits his/her car engine. It is not his/her concern... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I am in Chicago so every winter there is a problem with > snow+salt on the road. Washer fluid is used up pretty quickly. I can see that. Unfortunately we haven't had enough snow here in Maryland lately :-( If I find myself using the washer fluid more, I'll pull out the washer fluid (which is no longer the full bottle) and top it off. >>> It is sold in retail in one gallon standard containers and >>> it should fit completelly without lefover in the reservoir. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Yes, I travel mostly in the city-suburb area so I do not > risk being in the middle of nowhere with no fluid... Nah, not in my routine unless I find myself using it more through a snow storm. When running low, buy a few gallons on sale - I'd rather not have to buy some at a gas station for a premium price! City/suburb is most of my driving as well. -Dave > Nah, not in my routine unless I find myself using it more through a snow > storm. When running low, buy a few gallons on sale - I'd rather not have to > buy some at a gas station for a premium price! City/suburb is most of my > driving as well. Well, this 2 dollars once a month or two is not really a big deal. For me it is convenience over the storage space which is sparse here... >> Nah, not in my routine unless I find myself using it more through a snow >> storm. When running low, buy a few gallons on sale - I'd rather not have [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Well, this 2 dollars once a month or two is not really a big deal. > For me it is convenience over the storage space which is sparse here... Good point! Heck, people pay more than this for bottled municipal water... I'll take tap water. -dave >> About the O.P. stating it is a bad design the Accord windshield washer >> reservoir does not fit a gallon of washer fluid.... Isn't this the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > It is sold in retail in one gallon standard containers and > it should fit completelly without lefover in the reservoir. Here is the key to this entire thread, "should". You're insisting the universe should be other that it is, which is known as "musterbating" by Al Ellis (RIP) and his followers. This is not to say Honda couldn't or wouldn't change things in subsequent models - we know they do, but an existing model is a fait accompli. > Here is the key to this entire thread, "should". You're insisting the > universe should be other that it is, which is known as "musterbating" by [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > subsequent models - we know they do, but an existing model is a fait > accompli. Tony, what forces you to participate this boring thread? Can't find "ignore thread" feature in your newsreader or smthing? >> Here is the key to this entire thread, "should". You're insisting the >> universe should be other that it is, which is known as "musterbating" [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Tony, what forces you to participate this boring thread? > Can't find "ignore thread" feature in your newsreader or smthing? "smthing", definitely. ;) Do you think a person has to agree with everything posted to follow a thread? >>> Here is the key to this entire thread, "should". You're insisting the >>> universe should be other that it is, which is known as "musterbating" [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Do you think a person has to agree with everything posted to > follow a thread? Not really, but you are not adding anything of value here... And I am saying "they should", not "they must", so where do you get this musterbating from? :-) >>>> Here is the key to this entire thread, "should". You're insisting >>>> the universe should be other that it is, which is known as [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Not really, but you are not adding anything of value here... LOL, and you are? This is rich! :-) > For the second time I needed to refil washer fluid in > my 2004 accord coupe. I got the 1 gallon jug from the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Would you consider it as a bad design? If it is, nearly ever auto manufacturer for the past 80 years or so (or at least since the windshield-washer was invented) is guilty of it. It's certainly not unique to the '04 Accord, or any Accord, or any Honda, or any Japanese car, for that matter. I always thought it would be a good idea if, instead of putting a reservoir in the car, the manufacturers just included a "pocket" where you could drop the bottle itself in, and screw on a cap with integral pump and pickup hose(s). >> For the second time I needed to refil washer fluid in >> my 2004 accord coupe. I got the 1 gallon jug from the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > you could drop the bottle itself in, and screw on a cap with integral > pump and pickup hose(s). And what's the story with round bologna and square bread? I smell a class action law suit. >> I always thought it would be a good idea if, instead of putting a >> reservoir in the car, the manufacturers just included a "pocket" where [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And what's the story with round bologna and square bread? I smell a > class action law suit. Heh... Peace, Polfus >>> For the second time I needed to refil washer fluid in >>> my 2004 accord coupe. I got the 1 gallon jug from the [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > And what's the story with round bologna and square bread? I smell a > class action law suit. And why do hot-dog buns come in bags of 12, but hot dogs in packages of 8??? It's crazy, I tell ya! >>>> For the second time I needed to refil washer fluid in >>>> my 2004 accord coupe. I got the 1 gallon jug from the [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > And why do hot-dog buns come in bags of 12, but hot dogs in packages of > 8??? It's crazy, I tell ya! Damn straight! It's all the fault of TPTB keeping normal citizens like us off balance so they can keep control and bleed us dry. i.e., part of the shock doctrine. In the hot dog example, you have to buy 3 packages of franks and 2 packages of buns to come out even. It's a conspiracy at the highest level, I tell you! >> And why do hot-dog buns come in bags of 12, but hot dogs in packages >> of 8??? It's crazy, I tell ya! [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > packages of buns to come out even. It's a conspiracy at the highest > level, I tell you! It's the propane sellers who are at the heart of this particular conspiracy. We all know it. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote > It's the propane sellers who are at the heart of this particular > conspiracy. We all know it. Hah! That's a gas! Peace, Polfus > In the hot dog example, you have to buy 3 packages of franks and 2 > packages of buns to come out even. It's a conspiracy at the highest level, > I tell you! Yeah..but check it out: If you remove the 2.5L reservoir bottle and mount a 4.5L replacement under the bumper, then one would have room to install a little area for putting hot dogs and buns together in that same area. Maybe a small toaster oven that's been hollowed out, to simply hold the items in a metal container that can heat up from the engine's heat. Cooks his dinner there on the way home...you've seen it before...but at least now there will be a definite space for this side project under the hood. Only problem is that I think that most recipes for hot dogs use US measurements, and if the engine puts out B.T.U.'s or heats up in Celcius then there's gonna be calculators involved. Not to mention that IIRC, only 1 package of buns and 1 1/2 packs of hot dogs will fit U.S. model Accords....so there's gonna be at leat 1/2 package of hot dogs that will be left over. And a package of buns. Why can't Oscar Myer design a hot dog package with *6* hot dogs in it, not 4? Is it so hard to include the extra 2 hot dogs? And why hasn't Honda considered changing the front bumper engineering to allow space to go ahead and cook the extra two hot dogs, even if we would have no bun for them? You can CLEARLY see that Honda DOES NOT CARE about the public or else they would design an Accord that could *nourish* the driver after he completes a trip. Whew...I'm gonna go get something to eat... Peace, Polfus >> In the hot dog example, you have to buy 3 packages of franks and 2 >> packages of buns to come out even. It's a conspiracy at the highest [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Peace, > Polfus Ah, go have a hot dog... Speak of hot dogs, buns, etc... Ever notice how hot dogs, whether "Jumbo", "Large" or regular happen to have the same weight on the package? Maybe it's jumbo due to extra air pockets in the hot dogs? -Dave > Ah, go have a hot dog... Speak of hot dogs, buns, etc... Ever notice how > hot dogs, whether "Jumbo", "Large" or regular happen to have the same weight > on the package? Maybe it's jumbo due to extra air pockets in the hot dogs? This is probably just an illusion... Compare examples from www.Peapod.com: Oscar Mayer Wieners - 10 ct, 16 OZ PKG Oscar Mayer Wieners Jumbo - 8 ct, 16 OZ PKG So as you can see 8 jumbo oscar mayers weight the same as 10 regular ones. Does it make sense? Of course... A different, even better example: Vienna Beef Franks - 8 ct, 12 OZ PKG Vienna Beef Franks Jumbo - 6 ct, 16 OZ PKG Mistery solved ;-) >> Ah, go have a hot dog... Speak of hot dogs, buns, etc... Ever notice >> how hot dogs, whether "Jumbo", "Large" or regular happen to have the same [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Mistery solved ;-) Cool, you looked it up! I was thinking in terms of the package advertising between different brands and the overall weight of the package is the same. I should have been more specific, but you are correct. Now, if we start jamming these hot dogs into the Accord washer fluid reservoir, how many can fit? Just trying to keep on topic. LOL -Dave > Now, if we start jamming these hot dogs into the Accord > washer fluid reservoir, how many can fit? Just trying to keep on > topic. LOL Hey, another Guinness Book of World Records entry! Who wants to do it? SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >> Now, if we start jamming these hot dogs into the Accord >> washer fluid reservoir, how many can fit? Just trying to keep on >> topic. LOL > > Hey, another Guinness Book of World Records entry! Who wants to do it? Put 'em in a blender or food processor, and you can jam more in ;-) >>> Now, if we start jamming these hot dogs into the Accord >>> washer fluid reservoir, how many can fit? Just trying to keep on [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Put 'em in a blender or food processor, and you can jam more in ;-) Hot-dog jam?? EEEEWWwwwww! >>> Ah, go have a hot dog... Speak of hot dogs, buns, etc... Ever notice >>> how hot dogs, whether "Jumbo", "Large" or regular happen to have the same [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > jamming these hot dogs into the Accord washer fluid reservoir, how many can > fit? Just trying to keep on topic. LOL Uh, oh, another Honda design flaw - there's no filter to keep hot dogs out of the windshield washer reservoir, the slimy weasels! >>>> Ah, go have a hot dog... Speak of hot dogs, buns, etc... Ever notice >>>> how hot dogs, whether "Jumbo", "Large" or regular happen to have the [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Uh, oh, another Honda design flaw - there's no filter to keep hot dogs out > of the windshield washer reservoir, the slimy weasels! Class Action! >>>>> Ah, go have a hot dog... Speak of hot dogs, buns, etc... Ever notice >>>>> how hot dogs, whether "Jumbo", "Large" or regular happen to have the [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Class Action! Right on, power to the people! Anyone know a good lawyer? ;) > Uh, oh, another Honda design flaw - there's no filter to keep hot dogs > out of the windshield washer reservoir, the slimy weasels! No, you're wrong! At least on my car they put this "X" shaped thingy near the top like in your bathroom sink drain. You'd have to really force the dogs to get them through the "X". And you wouldn't force them unless you meant to do it. The holes /are/ big enough to easily admit pretzel sticks though... Come to think of it, has Honda ever /specifically/ said /not/ to put hot dogs and pretzel sticks in the washer reservoir? Maybe we can get rich yet (or at least our lawyers can)... SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >> Uh, oh, another Honda design flaw - there's no filter to keep hot dogs >> out of the windshield washer reservoir, the slimy weasels! [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > dogs and pretzel sticks in the washer reservoir? Maybe we can get rich yet > (or at least our lawyers can)... If not a hot dog, can you squeeze in Vienna sausages? -Dave >>> Uh, oh, another Honda design flaw - there's no filter to keep hot >>> dogs out of the windshield washer reservoir, the slimy weasels! [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > If not a hot dog, can you squeeze in Vienna sausages? Only if you're a Mozart fan. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >>>> Uh, oh, another Honda design flaw - there's no filter to keep hot >>>> dogs out of the windshield washer reservoir, the slimy weasels! [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Only if you're a Mozart fan. LOL! >>>> Uh, oh, another Honda design flaw - there's no filter to keep hot >>>> dogs out of the windshield washer reservoir, the slimy weasels! [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Only if you're a Mozart fan. Rock me, Amadeus! >>>>> Uh, oh, another Honda design flaw - there's no filter to keep hot >>>>> dogs out of the windshield washer reservoir, the slimy weasels! [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Rock me, Amadeus! LOL (RIP Falco) >>> Uh, oh, another Honda design flaw - there's no filter to keep hot dogs >>> out of the windshield washer reservoir, the slimy weasels! [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > If not a hot dog, can you squeeze in Vienna sausages? As another poster noted, you can squeeze in most anything if you first run it thru the blender. >>>> Uh, oh, another Honda design flaw - there's no filter to keep hot dogs >>>> out of the windshield washer reservoir, the slimy weasels! [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > As another poster noted, you can squeeze in most anything if you first run > it thru the blender. Yeah - that was ME! >>>>> Uh, oh, another Honda design flaw - there's no filter to keep hot dogs >>>>> out of the windshield washer reservoir, the slimy weasels! [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Yeah - that was ME! Maybe we should pass this on to the guys www.willitblend.com I wonder if they've even tried blending a Honda? >>>>>> Uh, oh, another Honda design flaw - there's no filter to keep hot >>>>>> dogs [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > I wonder if they've even tried blending a Honda? There're not gonna use mine unless they give me a new replacement! >> Uh, oh, another Honda design flaw - there's no filter to keep hot dogs >> out of the windshield washer reservoir, the slimy weasels! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > meant to do it. The holes /are/ big enough to easily admit pretzel sticks > though... Yeah, but your car is from *last* century - I believe we're discussing Honda's contemporary models. <vbg> > Come to think of it, has Honda ever /specifically/ said /not/ to put hot > dogs and pretzel sticks in the washer reservoir? Maybe we can get rich yet > (or at least our lawyers can)... Right, as usual, Tegger. > No, you're wrong! At least on my car they put this "X" shaped thingy near > the top like in your bathroom sink drain. You'd have to really force the > dogs to get them through the "X". And you wouldn't force them unless you > meant to do it. The holes /are/ big enough to easily admit pretzel sticks > though... In 2004 accord there is nothing there... Just the dipstick hanging from the bottle cap. > Come to think of it, has Honda ever /specifically/ said /not/ to put hot > dogs and pretzel sticks in the washer reservoir? Maybe we can get rich yet > (or at least our lawyers can)... Good one, Tegger! The coffe was too hot joke was all over the Europe one time and everybody was laughing hard at american law system... Pszemol p.s. 6F today in Chicago area! That is a.s freezing -14'C! And I had hopes to look at my car this weekend... good luck with this idea :-) What happened to this global warming??? > If it is, nearly ever auto manufacturer for the past 80 years or so (or > at least since the windshield-washer was invented) is guilty of it. > It's certainly not unique to the '04 Accord, or any Accord, or any > Honda, or any Japanese car, for that matter. Well, I have not made statistic study on the reservoir size in cars :-) What I know is my old 95 camry had the reservoid big enough to make washer fluid maintenance a very rare event. It was just enough fluid there to keep me going between oil changes and not worrying about washer fluid fill. Later in the car life, when I started to do my oil changes I was more frequently adding fluid and I know it fits the whole bottle and it was nice. I guess I got spoiled with my camry and now I see design flaws in my accord a lot... Too small washer fluid, sprinkler nozzle spraying the driver wiper blade instead of the glass, frequently light bulbs blowing on the dashboard/interior switches, etc... >> If it is, nearly ever auto manufacturer for the past 80 years or so >> (or at least since the windshield-washer was invented) is guilty of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > in cars :-) What I know is my old 95 camry had the reservoid > big enough to make washer fluid maintenance a very rare event. Yeah, I think my old '82 Subaru's washer tank was about the same capacity as its gas tank... >>> If it is, nearly ever auto manufacturer for the past 80 years or so >>> (or at least since the windshield-washer was invented) is guilty of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Yeah, I think my old '82 Subaru's washer tank was about the same > capacity as its gas tank... About a quart? >>> If it is, nearly ever auto manufacturer for the past 80 years or so >>> (or at least since the windshield-washer was invented) is guilty of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Yeah, I think my old '82 Subaru's washer tank was about the same > capacity as its gas tank... Interesting is that if you look under the hood of accord you will see that there is a plenty of room between US washer bottle and the passenger fender or the wheel skirt. |
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