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Car Forum / Honda Cars / January 2008Cleaning Fuel Injectors in 2005 Honda Accord?
Hi, I just had my oil changed, and the guy said that my fuel injectors needed cleaning (I've got about 30k miles or so on it). He wanted to charge me $60, and said it would take about 15 minutes. Can't i just do this myself, with just adding a few bottles of "Gummout" to the fuel tank? Tell me this guy was trying to scam me..... S He's trying to scam you. Buy a bottle of Chevron Techron fuel system cleaner at WalMart, Autozone, or similar for around $8. At gas station, add the Chevron Techron to a near-empty tank. Fill tank. Elle Original owner, 91 Civic. Started adding Chevron Techron around 2002. Never had any special cleaning of fuel system done, other than changing the fuel filter per the owner's manual every 4 years/60k miles. I buy discount gas from large chains; nothing special in this gas except maybe ethanol now and then. Car runs great. > I just had my oil changed, and the guy said that my > fuel [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Tell me this guy was trying to scam me..... Yeah, what Elle said! I used to run Techron through my '89 Prelude from time to time. My '05 Accord has almost 34k miles and I never put any fuel cleaner in it. Just use name brand gas, such as Texaco (which also uses Techron). Used to use Exxon or BP an dno problems there either. Let's see - most of it will be "labor" and not really materials. $60 for 15 minutes that's $240/hr. I must be in the wrong line of work... Besides, I don't remember seeing it as a requirement in my owner's manual. Certainly not at 30k miles! -Dave > He's trying to scam you. > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> >> Tell me this guy was trying to scam me..... > Yeah, what Elle said! �I used to run Techron through my '89 Prelude from > time to time. �My '05 Accord has almost 34k miles and I never put any fuel [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Besides, I don't remember seeing it as a requirement in my owner's manual. > Certainly not at 30k miles! Ha! Yeah, that's why i didn't buy it! I read the owner's manual now and again, and never remembered that. He bullsh**ed by saying Honda recommends it every 20k or so. There is a temptation to trust the so-called "experts", and just do what they tell you out of laziness, so i'm sure he gets a few suckers now and again. Also, i had a previous oil-changer warn me about my CV boots tearing, and i found out the hard way that he was NOT lying! (had to get new axles, or something like that)....so there was a historical temptation to believe this recent liar. By the way, this recent a.shole was at a Jiffy-Lube, which over- charges for an oil-change anyways! Thanks much, Elle and Dave!!! S > -Dave > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > - Show quoted text - "Necronomicon" <radio913@aol.com> wrote Ha! Yeah, that's why i didn't buy it! I read the owner's manual now and again, and never remembered that. He bullsh**ed by saying Honda recommends it every 20k or so. There is a temptation to trust the so-called "experts", and just do what they tell you out of laziness, so i'm sure he gets a few suckers now and again. Also, i had a previous oil-changer warn me about my CV boots tearing, and i found out the hard way that he was NOT lying! (had to get new axles, or something like that)....so there was a historical temptation to believe this recent liar. ----- I read you. I find the "cry wolf" phenomenon kicking in too often. Then one does not know when to trust these so-called "professionals." And I don't care if they're physicians (bigger liars than dealers, IMO), lawyers, or auto techs. I say, "View all with skepticism, and so promote a freer market." Your guy is a real jerk for saying Honda required it. You busted him. Good work. :-) Most of those mechanics carry a utility knife in their pocket for when they think they can sell you new boots. There is no way a mechanic can determine the injectors need cleaning without opening up your engine. If they need cleaning at 30k I would be jumping up and down on the dealer as there is no way they need cleaned that soon. Use top tier gas and you should never need them cleaned nor the cleaner in the tank. On Jan 17, 6:52?pm, "Dave L" <davelieuREMOV...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Yeah, what Elle said! ?I used to run Techron through my '89 Prelude from > time to time. ?My '05 Accord has almost 34k miles and I never put any fuel [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Besides, I don't remember seeing it as a requirement in my owner's manual. > Certainly not at 30k miles! Ha! Yeah, that's why i didn't buy it! I read the owner's manual now and again, and never remembered that. He bullsh**ed by saying Honda recommends it every 20k or so. There is a temptation to trust the so-called "experts", and just do what they tell you out of laziness, so i'm sure he gets a few suckers now and again. Also, i had a previous oil-changer warn me about my CV boots tearing, and i found out the hard way that he was NOT lying! (had to get new axles, or something like that)....so there was a historical temptation to believe this recent liar. By the way, this recent a.shole was at a Jiffy-Lube, which over- charges for an oil-change anyways! Thanks much, Elle and Dave!!! S > -Dave > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Most of those mechanics carry a utility knife in their pocket for when > they think they can sell you new boots. They don't need to. Nobody checks their CV joint boots, so it's only a matter of time before the mechanic ends up making money changing the shafts. > There is no way a mechanic can determine the injectors need cleaning > without opening up your engine. You remove the fuel rail from the manifold, injectors in place. Place clear container under injectors. Crank engine. Observe spray pattern. They do it all the time. > If they need cleaning at 30k I would > be jumping up and down on the dealer as there is no way they need > cleaned that soon. That's correct. The only exception I can think of is if the OP let the car run out of gas a number of times.  SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ I enjoyed that quick read, Tegger....thanks. Peace, Polfus > They don't need to. Nobody checks their CV joint boots, so it's only a > matter of time before the mechanic ends up making money changing the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > That's correct. The only exception I can think of is if the OP let the car > run out of gas a number of times. > > Most of those mechanics carry a utility knife in their pocket for when > > they think they can sell you new boots. > > They don't need to. Nobody checks their CV joint boots, so it's only a > matter of time before the mechanic ends up making money changing the > shafts. I don't believe Jiffy-Lube offers those services, but yeah, other garages do. > > There is no way a mechanic can determine the injectors need cleaning > > without opening up your engine. > > You remove the fuel rail from the manifold, injectors in place. Place clear > container under injectors. Crank engine. Observe spray pattern. They do it > all the time. I really doubt my guy had the time to do this... Thanks to all who kicked in 0.02. S >> "Woody" <TheD...@pond.net> wrote >> innews:Ejbkj.1199$EZ3.206@nlpi070.nbdc.sb [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I don't believe Jiffy-Lube offers those > services, but yeah, other garages do. You can check your own CV joint boots, and you don't even need to jack the car up or take the wheel off. Turn the steering wheel all the way to the left. Now go look inside the front left wheel well. You'll be able to see the bellows of the boots, already fully expanded, and any cracks very visible. Turn the wheel the opposite way for the right side. >> > There is no way a mechanic can determine the injectors need >> > cleaning without opening up your engine. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I really doubt my guy had the time to do this... That's the way to do it though. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote > You can check your own CV joint boots, and you don't even need to jack > the car up or take the wheel off. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Turn the wheel the opposite way for the right side. Thanks for that info...good advice. Peace, Polfus > They don't need to. Nobody checks their CV joint boots, so it's only a > matter of time before the mechanic ends up making money changing the > shafts. Is it really reasonable to do anything else than changing shafts? I have toytoa camry with torn boots - it happened long time ago. Exchanging shafts for refurbished ones is $200 per each side. How much is to just replace boots? I know there is a lot of labor included in this repair anyway. >> They don't need to. Nobody checks their CV joint boots, so it's only a >> matter of time before the mechanic ends up making money changing the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > How much is to just replace boots? > I know there is a lot of labor included in this repair anyway. depends how anal you are. if you want absolute best quality, go a head and re-boot your oem shafts. even if the ends are worn out, you can buy new ones and replace them and keep the rest of the oem shaft. some of the aftermarket shafts aren't that good. some are fine though. gkn are as good as oem - if you can get them. [not available for my 89 civic/90 crx any more.] > Most of those mechanics carry a utility knife in their pocket for when they > think they can sell you new boots. Hmmm...makes me think i should watch these guys instead of going out to lunch while they "work"! On Jan 17, 6:52?pm, "Dave L" <davelieuREMOV...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Yeah, what Elle said! ?I used to run Techron through my '89 Prelude from > time to time. ?My '05 Accord has almost 34k miles and I never put any fuel [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Besides, I don't remember seeing it as a requirement in my owner's manual. > Certainly not at 30k miles! Ha! Yeah, that's why i didn't buy it! I read the owner's manual now and again, and never remembered that. He bullsh**ed by saying Honda recommends it every 20k or so. There is a temptation to trust the so-called "experts", and just do what they tell you out of laziness, so i'm sure he gets a few suckers now and again. Also, i had a previous oil-changer warn me about my CV boots tearing, and i found out the hard way that he was NOT lying! (had to get new axles, or something like that)....so there was a historical temptation to believe this recent liar. By the way, this recent a.shole was at a Jiffy-Lube, which over- charges for an oil-change anyways! Thanks much, Elle and Dave!!! S You're welcome! And you might want to do yourself another favor - either find an independent shop, go to the dealer (yes they're often CHEAPER than Jiffy Lube!) or do the oil changes yourself. They're not all bad, but they've got more than their share of shady people there. Back in the '87, my brother took his Mitsubishi there for an oil change. Back when Mitsubishi wasn't as popular, they blew a fuse - only place to get it was the dealership. The closer one didn't have it so they had get someone to drive 30 minutes to pick up the part and bring it back. They gave him a free oil change and apologized. I was with him when this happened! Another example - they forgot to put the oil cap on his friend's car - he drove home, popped the hood and it was covered in oil. He made them pay for an engine cleaning, but don't remember what else happened. More extreme example - an owner (older guy) of a small neighborhood hardware store we used to go to took his pick-up truck to another J.L. my brother used to go to sometimes. They forgot to put the drain bolt back in, so after he drove off there was an oil trail following him from J.L. His engine died on the parkway and he basically had them pay for a new engine. These are all actual examples from the '80s. Then I saw this last year: http://mfile.akamai.com/12924/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2006/0503/9152183.200k.asx Here's another one: http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/jiffy_lube.htm I'm not saying things haven't changed since then, and I'm sure there are good J.Lubes out there. However I won't go there unless it's a dire emergency and still watch them like a hawk. -Dave Everyones worried about the cost of everything anf the value of nothing :) Mines done a 108k miles and I insisted on an oil cleaner at the service before last (they also used the fuel cleaner) I noticed an improvement straight away - just that little bit smoother/ revs quicker and the oil? Its looks cleaner -nothing scientific I admit and I also thought the economy was a little better - as I'm par/exing it for a CRV auto on Friday possibly the new owner will benefit :( In article <c90c2e46-b40c-43d2-94de-4b4e1178f731@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, > I just had my oil changed, and the guy said that my fuel > injectors [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Can't i just do this myself, with just adding a few bottles of > "Gummout" to the fuel tank? Yep. I'd use Techron, myself. Or run a few tanks of Shell premium, then go back to Shell 87 octane and see what your mileage is. Did it change? No? Then definitely he was scamming you. > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > S Yes, I believe so...especially since a Honda Accord with 30k is *NOT* likely to have fuel injector problems, especially with todays modern gasolines. Peace, Polfus |
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