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Love my CRV 1999. Does anyone know if there is an online 'user manual.'
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iris120@hotmail.com - 29 Jan 2008 22:34 GMT The couple who sold it to me did not have it. Thank you. www.soupdown.com
Elle - 29 Jan 2008 22:53 GMT Go to site https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/logon.asp. On the left, click on "Owner's Manuals." Follow the pointers. Once you arrive at the pdf file, it may appear that only one page has come up. In fact, page numbers that are highlighted within the pdf file are links on which you can click to take you to the page. Also, in the upper right hand corner of any white page look for an arrow. Click the right arrow to get to the next page. Lastly, pressing "Ctrl-A" will permit easier reading of some of the pages at this site.
> The couple who sold it to me did not have it. Thank you. > www.soupdown.com Tegger - 29 Jan 2008 23:28 GMT "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:13pvbi58bvt1s16 @corp.supernews.com:
> Go to site https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/logon.asp. On > the left, click on "Owner's Manuals." Follow the pointers. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > to the next page. Lastly, pressing "Ctrl-A" will permit > easier reading of some of the pages at this site. Are you using Firefox as your browser??
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Elle - 29 Jan 2008 23:36 GMT > "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote >> Go to site https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/logon.asp. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Are you using Firefox as your browser?? I just tried it in Internet Explorer and see no substantive difference to the directions I give above.
I normally use Firefox.
Reading your oil loss records with some interest. Caught my eye because mine seems to vary on my 91 Civic as well, at 202k miles. I was a little worried over a period of a few months this past summer, but then it tapered off mightily.
Tegger - 30 Jan 2008 00:16 GMT >> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote >>> Go to site https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/logon.asp. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > I normally use Firefox. The reason I ask is because I too have a problem reading some pages in the Techinfo site. But only in Firefox. IE shows everything fine. In Firefox some of the Techinfo pages have blue backgrounds, making text hard to read unles you hit "Ctrl-A" first.
It seems some Web developers create sites and pages for IE only, not bothering to check for compatibility with other browsers. Techinfo is one of those.
There is a fix for Firefox, though. It's an Add-On called IE Tab. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1419 Install that. Ff a page in Firefox looks weird, you can now right-click in the window to get the drop-down menu, then choose "View Page in IE Tab".
IE Tab works very well, obviating the need for the "Ctrl-A" trick.
> Reading your oil loss records with some interest. Caught my > eye because mine seems to vary on my 91 Civic as well, at > 202k miles. I was a little worried over a period of a few > months this past summer, but then it tapered off mightily. I posted a question about that very issue in rec.autos.tech a few months ago. I think basically nobody knows why this happens.
Just rolled over 298,000 yesterday. Less than 2,000 miles to go!
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Elle - 30 Jan 2008 01:11 GMT "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote About using Firefox for the aforementioned owner's manual web site:
> The reason I ask is because I too have a problem reading > some pages in [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > IE Tab works very well, obviating the need for the > "Ctrl-A" trick. I updated Firefox not long ago and it changed something in a way I did not like. Hence I now avoid updates etc. unless it's essential. Yes, I have been told that this is a little risky. Yet sometimes I think there's a lot of nonsense going around about virus risks, etc. Software companies selling their wares.
So thanks anyway.
> I posted a question about that very issue in > rec.autos.tech a few months > ago. I think basically nobody knows why this happens. > > Just rolled over 298,000 yesterday. Less than 2,000 miles > to go! You do not buy the collapsed oil control ring spacer theory you posted recently here? I have not given this any study, other than noting you noted it.
Tegger - 30 Jan 2008 02:38 GMT > I updated Firefox not long ago and it changed something in a > way I did not like. Hence I now avoid updates etc. unless [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > So thanks anyway. I'm using Firefox 2.0.0.11 (latest update).
The only Add-On I have installed is IE Tab, just because I hate having to go to IE for the few pages that don't work right in Firefox. I do allow Firefox to upgrade whenever it prompts me to, and I've found Firefox to be completely stable and reliable.
>> I posted a question about that very issue in >> rec.autos.tech a few months [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > you posted recently here? I have not given this any study, > other than noting you noted it. The collapsed oil control ring theory came from a tech who posts in rec.autos.tech. It sounds plausible to me, but without tearing the motor apart, who knows for sure? In light of the fact that's it's academic anyway, I do subscribe to that theory.
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jim beam - 30 Jan 2008 03:04 GMT >> I updated Firefox not long ago and it changed something in a >> way I did not like. Hence I now avoid updates etc. unless [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > rec.autos.tech. It sounds plausible to me, but without tearing the motor > apart, who knows for sure? just 'cos he posts on .tech, doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about - this is usenet. another "tech" forum i frequent has a certain poster that asserts himself to be an engineer from a certain prestigious university, but is the most frightful bullshitter with wildly underinformed guesses on a whole bunch of subjects about which he clearly knows nothing. but because he writes in a definite authoritative style, and asserts expertise, others get suckered into believing what he writes. and worse, no one else questions! one such subject is metal fatigue, a subject i studied for many years and on which i happen to have some experience - so i /know/ this guy's just guessing [bullshitting].
bottom line: guesses are fine, but guesses presented as fact? not smart. here's a fact for you though - collapsed rings burn oil - and it's a one-way street that only increases. collapsed ring consumption is significant. yours is [was] highish, but is not sufficient to support this "theory".
[there /is/ a reason i don't bother with r.a.t...]
> In light of the fact that's it's academic > anyway, I do subscribe to that theory. Tegger - 30 Jan 2008 13:02 GMT >> The collapsed oil control ring theory came from a tech who posts in >> rec.autos.tech. It sounds plausible to me, but without tearing the >> motor apart, who knows for sure? > > just 'cos he posts on .tech, doesn't mean he knows what he's talking > about - this is usenet. I quite agree. But as I said, it was a theory. It was not presented as anything authoritative.
> bottom line: guesses are fine, but guesses presented as fact? This theory was never presented to me as fact.
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Dano58 - 30 Jan 2008 17:11 GMT one such
> subject is metal fatigue, a subject i studied for many years and on > which i happen to have some experience - so i /know/ this guy's just > guessing [bullshitting]. And how do we know you're not, Jim? ;-)
It's amazing to me how much groups like this have replaced things like reading the Owners Manual or getting a good shop manual. Or even applying common sense! The old saw 'There is no such thing as a stupid question' really isn't true when 'groups' are concerned...
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Elle - 30 Jan 2008 17:44 GMT > It's amazing to me how much groups like this have replaced > things like [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > as a stupid > question' really isn't true when 'groups' are concerned... I wonder whether you are neglecting things like the poster had the smarts to go look for a resource that would answer his questions; some people like to teach, so there are two way benefits; etc.
I think a lot of folks still just need a little guidance on /how/ to get questions answered, then they can fly on their own. That can start at fora such as that which Usenet provides.
IMO the internet and these fora are boons to the marketplace of ideas. We all live better because of them. Without the occasional so-called "stupid question," I don't think they'd be the same. Learning is incremental.
Plus the anonymous, little moderated aspects of Usenet mean no one can use his/her credentials as some kind of free pass, immunizing his/her ideas from criticism. Substantive ideas can be dissected by competent high school students alongside the multi-graduate degreed. And why not? All one needs in many cases is to think logically and read carefully.
It's the ultimate free marketplace of ideas. This is a good thing.
Tegger - 30 Jan 2008 18:02 GMT > Plus the anonymous, little moderated aspects of Usenet mean > no one can use his/her credentials as some kind of free > pass, immunizing his/her ideas from criticism. And who really knows what/who anybody is in here or anywhere else?
Usenet is a sort of fantasy land where nothing is forced to be truly real. You can tout yourself as anything you want to be and nobody's the wiser unless you start saying things that are palpably wrong.
> Substantive > ideas can be dissected by competent high school students [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > It's the ultimate free marketplace of ideas. This is a good > thing. Ditto.
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jim beam - 31 Jan 2008 02:44 GMT > one such >> subject is metal fatigue, a subject i studied for many years and on >> which i happen to have some experience - so i /know/ this guy's just >> guessing [bullshitting]. > > And how do we know you're not, Jim? ;-) you don't! but you can ask questions and check facts. usenet introduced me to people that just accept stuff as fact based simply on the presentation style and they seemingly have no ability to research or judge independently of that. utterly bizarre.
> It's amazing to me how much groups like this have replaced things like > reading the Owners Manual or getting a good shop manual. Or even > applying common sense! The old saw 'There is no such thing as a stupid > question' really isn't true when 'groups' are concerned... that's largely true in a time when there's groups.google.com and you can look stuff up that's been asked a billion times before. but if it's not there, asking "dumb" questions is absolutely the right thing to do.
personally though, i just can't be bothered with crap about "my transmission doesn't work - what's wrong" or "why does my washer fluid bottle take 4.7 quarts, not 5.3" - those idiots aren't here for real questions - they're here because nobody they know personally will listen to them.
Elle - 30 Jan 2008 16:04 GMT > I'm using Firefox 2.0.0.11 (latest update). > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > found Firefox to be > completely stable and reliable. I have Firefox 1.5.0.12. Maybe I will take a look for the IE tab, though. You're right occasionally one is better off, for viewing purposes, with IE.
>> You do not buy the collapsed oil control ring spacer >> theory [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > it's academic > anyway, I do subscribe to that theory. Okay. I shall keep my eyes peeled for more info on this.
Tegger - 30 Jan 2008 17:58 GMT "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:13q17vlg9ida3b9 @corp.supernews.com:
>> I'm using Firefox 2.0.0.11 (latest update). >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I have Firefox 1.5.0.12. You're way, way out of date. I don't even know if IE Tab will work on your version.
My own experience leads me to suggest you upgrade to the latest version of Firefox as soon as you can. They've fixed a lot of bugs and added some very nice features, like much more convenient control over cookies and pop-ups. And it's very stable.
And even the tabbed browsing is real winner: When you shut down Firefox with multiple tabs open, it will ask you if you want them all back again next time you restart. You really learn to appreciate that one.
If you upgrade and don't see all the new features, you'll have to do a complete uninstall of the old version and reinstall the new version from scratch.
I love Firefox, personally.
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Elle - 30 Jan 2008 18:21 GMT > I love Firefox, personally. So do I, though I'd narrow this to a love for how much faster it is loading compared to IE.
The old version works great, but I will keep in mind your remarks on updating.
As always, good to compare notes on our 91 Honda/Acuras. I really love it in this recession.
motsco_ - 30 Jan 2008 03:54 GMT > The couple who sold it to me did not have it. Thank you. > www.soupdown.com ---------------------------
Something you won't find in the CR-V Owner's Manual: The truth about how often you should change the Dual Pump Fluid (rear differential) and how often you should adjust the valves. Both @ (50,000 Km) 30,000 Miles.
Here's a sample thread.
http://www.hondasuv.com/members/showthread.php?t=31226
'Curly'
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