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Car Forum / Honda Cars / March 2008Honda Civic Hybrid
Consumer Reports says that the Civic Hybrid only got 26 mpg in real city driving: Fuel economy Rank Model tested CR Overall MPG City MPG Highway MPG 1 Toyota Prius 44 35 50 2 Honda Civic Hybrid 37 26 47 Why is the city mileage so bad compared to the Prius? I'm disappointed. Joy > Consumer Reports says that the Civic Hybrid only got 26 mpg in real city > driving: Is that the five year old report, or did they manage to do it again? If you creep along in traffic, the engine in the HCH would be idling the whole time, and be no different from any other Civic. 26MPG might be astounding. You would need to have a non Hybrid drive the same route to make that meaningful. Would it get 26? 12? With careful attention to how the HCH operates, you would drive a little differently, and have the engine stopped some or most of the time.  SignatureClarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5 >Consumer Reports says that the Civic Hybrid only got 26 mpg in real city >driving: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Joy One thing to keep in mind is that the CR city mileage test is very tough. You should have no trouble beating their estimate. > >Consumer Reports says that the Civic Hybrid only got 26 mpg in real city > >driving: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > One thing to keep in mind is that the CR city mileage test is very > tough. You should have no trouble beating their estimate. If the CR city mileage test is very tough, then it's equally tough on the Prius. If the Prius gets 35 to the Civic's 26 in the tough CR test, then anyone beating CR's Civic estimate will also beat CR's Prius estimate. In other words, expect the Prius to get 35% better gas mileage in the city than the Civic, no matter who's driving. > If the CR city mileage test is very tough, then it's equally tough on > the Prius. A Toyota Prius, or Ford Escape Hybrid would trounce the Civic Hybrid in a test on route 78 in rush hour. The Prius/Escape engine would run occasionally, the Honda might run constantly, or at least it would in the vintage Honda used in the CR test. The 2006 and later Honda would do a far better job than the 2003 Honda under test, since the newer engines do shut off more often. http://media.ford.com/newsroom/feature_display.cfm?release=20303 "While putting the five finalist routes to the test, the Escape Hybrid had an average fuel economy of 36.4 miles per gallon and gave off virtually zero emissions. The miles per gallon ranged from 31.5 to 42.7 on the five vehicles." http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=17996 36 hours of non-stop driving in Manhattan on one tank of gas. http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-hybrid/features.aspx?feature=ima SignatureClarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5 Except the Escape does not have electric steering so cannot turn off engine when stopped at light like other hybrids. >> If the CR city mileage test is very tough, then it's equally tough on >> the Prius. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-hybrid/features.aspx?feature=ima > Except the Escape does not have electric steering so cannot turn off engine > when stopped at light like other hybrids. Why would you say that? It is wrong, and wrong. I can hear the whining of the electric power steering while driving around in the parking lot with the engine off, and it certainly does shut off when stopped... although "stopped" doesn't matter, since the engine shuts off when the vehicle is moving. http://www.fordvehicles.com/suvs/escapehybrid/features/specs/ Electric Power Steering (EPS) is listed for Hybrid and non-Hybrid. SignatureClarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5 Looks like the review I read was incorrect. A google search of other reviews confirmed it has electronic steering. Perhaps they were confused by the ac system... if put on full ac (instead of economy ac) the engine will not turn off when stopped. >> Except the Escape does not have electric steering so cannot turn off >> engine [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > http://www.fordvehicles.com/suvs/escapehybrid/features/specs/ > Electric Power Steering (EPS) is listed for Hybrid and non-Hybrid. >> >Consumer Reports says that the Civic Hybrid only got 26 mpg in real city >> >driving: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >In other words, expect the Prius to get 35% better gas mileage in the >city than the Civic, no matter who's driving. Maybe. My point was just that the 26 (or 35) mpg might seem low and that the car would actually do better. > Consumer Reports says that the Civic Hybrid only got 26 mpg in real city > driving: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Why is the city mileage so bad compared to the Prius? The Toyota web site has plenty of information re. their hybrid synergy drive. In short, it's technically superior to what Honda is offering now. > I'm disappointed. How about posting the CR mpg for the standard Honda Civic, the Honda Fit and the Toyota Corolla. Then someone can figure out if spending the extra $$ for a hybrid makes economic sense or if driving a hybrid is simply sending a one-finger salute to the Saudis. > Joy Joy to you, too. In article <b344e961-baf0-41d8-bf42-692434ce198d@1g2000hsl.googlegroups.com>, > > Consumer Reports says that the Civic Hybrid only got 26 mpg in real city > > driving: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Joy to you, too. Here's the link: http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/new-cars/buying-advice/most-fuele fficient-cars-206/index.htm Fuel economy Rank Model tested CR Overall MPG City MPG Highway MPG 1 Toyota Prius 44 35 50 2 Honda Civic Hybrid 37 26 47 3 Toyota Camry Hybrid 34 28 41 4 Toyota Yaris Base (manual) 34 26 42 5 Honda Fit Sport (manual) 34 26 39 6 Toyota Yaris Base 33 23 44 7 Honda Fit Base 32 22 43 8 Honda Civic EX (manual) 31 22 40 9 Hyundai Accent GS (manual) 30 23 36 10 Kia Rio5 SX (manual) 30 23 36 11 Mazda3 i (manual) 30 21 42 12 Mini Cooper S (manual) 30 22 38 All have Overall MPG of 30 or higher The Civic Hybrid isn't any better than the Fit for city mpg which is what I'm concerned about. Does Honda plan to use a more efficient hybrid system in the near future? Joy S. > The Civic Hybrid isn't any better than the Fit for city mpg which is > what I'm concerned about. Does Honda plan to use a more efficient hybrid > system in the near future? The Honda Civic Hybrid is nothing more than a normal car with a 1300cc engine in extreme city traffic. It rarely operates on electricity alone, and although 2006 introduced that possibility under some circumstances, it isn't much. In city driving, I've never gone below 38mpg with a 2003 HCH. I have also gotten 38mpg for a week of city driving with a Ford Escape Hybrid, so the Honda is apparently not the best for city driving. I've never hit 60mpg in the FEH, though, like I have in the Honda, on rural roads. Honda has decided to use the hybrid IMA as a boost in power for undersized engines. I don't think they'll change. SignatureClarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5 > > The Civic Hybrid isn't any better than the Fit for city mpg which is > > what I'm concerned about. Does Honda plan to use a more efficient hybrid [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Honda has decided to use the hybrid IMA as a boost in power for undersized > engines. I don't think they'll change. I'll echo what Clarence says. My 2003 HCH has never averaged below 38mpg. I generally get around 42mpg in spring and fall, 40mpg in winter and summer. This is for mostly stop-and-go on city streets. I think Honda's IMA works well for many conditions and if you learn specifically how to drive with *it*. >>Consumer Reports says that the Civic Hybrid only got 26 mpg in real city >>driving: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Joy to you, too. Don't know about the published specs, but my wife gets 40-41mpg in town with 2008 Honda Civic Hybrid. Where it really falls down is the 25+ mile uphill climb to home (about 4000 elevation change). If it could only get decent mileage uphill at 55mph it would be wonderful! (of course, that's wishing for the near-impossible....) --Rick >>>Consumer Reports says that the Civic Hybrid only got 26 mpg in real city >>>driving: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >only get decent mileage uphill at 55mph it would be wonderful! (of >course, that's wishing for the near-impossible....) I'm sure you appreciate that no car is going to get its highest mileage under those conditions. What kind of mileage do you actually get on the climb and how does that compare to your earlier vehicles? It seems like it would be hard to measure over such a short distance unless you have a mileage computer on the car. >>> Consumer Reports says that the Civic Hybrid only got 26 mpg in real city >>> driving: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > --Rick test.
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