>>> Hi all:
>>> I'm anticipating the front brake pads on my 2005 Honda Accord Hybrid will
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> 16,000KM. Dealer replaced them for free but at 60,000 same problem
> occurred. I replaced the rotors
you mean "warped" rotors? that's usually easily cured, and it doesn't
take expensive aftermarket rotors to do it. see below for reason and cure.
> on the front only to Cross drilled and
> clotted manufactured by DBA (Disk Brakes Australia - model DBA
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> braking setup shows no fading even after very hard multiple braking
> tests. However, the pads do shed red dust,
that's from the disk, not the pad. it's iron oxide.
> but wash easily. It was
> mentioned that the OEM pads are very good. Not sure what that means.
as stated before, it means they generate low dust, don't cause excessive
wear on the disk, and they don't fade.
> I
> can warp the original Honda rotors in one application,
no you can't. you can have a problem that's misdiagnosed as warp. see
below.
> or glaze the
> pads in one application.
that's a fitting incompetence problem. see below.
> I have been driving Honda cars since 1991,
> and none of them had good brakes. In fact that is my major complaint
> about Honda/Acura cars.
there is a reason you're consistently having problems - you're
consistently doing something wrong. possibly as many as three things
actually.
first though, you need to understand something very important about
honda - they make vehicles that handle well and perform efficiently.
both these qualities require low unsprung weight at the wheels. the
easiest way to achieve that is to minimize, within reason, the mass of
the hub and the disk. consequently, honda use thin lightweight hubs,
and disks. the down side is that this is less tolerant of the following
problems:
1. if lug nuts are not correctly torqued, i.e. with a torque wrench, and
in the right sequence, the hub will not seat square relative to the wheel.
2. same if there is corrosion at the hub/wheel interface.
3. this last problem is not unique to honda - disk contamination while
servicing. dirty greasy fingers leave patches on the disk which can
glaze and cause performance problems. tegger has a page on his recent
encounter with this on his website. disks need to be kept clean and
grease free.
#'s 1 & 2 are by far the commonest cause of rotor "warping", and most
importantly, can be easily cured. simply clean the face of the hub with
a scraper, and the inside of the wheel where it seats against the hub.
then smear a little antiseize on these mating surfaces. take care not
to get any on the disk. then replace the wheel and torque in the
correct sequence, 1-3-2-4, in a two or more stage process, using a
torque wrench. do NOT use air tools.
for most people, this will cure "honda disk warp", every time. without
need to replace or skim any disks. or spend vast sums on expensive
aftermarket components that are not necessary or worse, actually inferior.
highkm - 06 Mar 2008 16:27 GMT
> >>> Hi all:
> >>> I'm anticipating the front brake pads on my 2005 Honda Accord Hybrid will
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> need to replace or skim any disks. or spend vast sums on expensive
> aftermarket components that are not necessary or worse, actually inferior.
I adhere to all the best practices (+ more) that you've mentioned. I
appreciate your advice and comments, but after I switched to ABS
rotors and Hawk brake pads servicing frequencies reduced, brake
efficiency increased, durability improved, and although the cost when
compared to the OEM equipment increased, the overall satisfaction
dramatically improved as well. As a comparison (in Ontario), the front
rotors are $100 each. The front pad set is just over$90. Total with
taxes is over $300. I paid the same amount for ABS rotors and Hawk
pads (ordered from US). I have over the long run saved a lot of money
while improving th braking system. What more can one ask for.
Meatman - 07 Mar 2008 21:50 GMT
Don't know if it's still going on but HandA had some OEM pads on sale
for crazy cheap. Even after shipping they were about $15 cheaper than
the dealer. And all I know is they had the ones for my '98 Accord V-6
Coupe...since you were wondering ;^)
Meat.
M.A. Stewart - 07 Mar 2008 23:18 GMT
>> >>> Hi all:
>> >>> I'm anticipating the front brake pads on my 2005 Honda Accord Hybrid will
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> pads (ordered from US). I have over the long run saved a lot of money
> while improving th braking system. What more can one ask for.
How about stainless steel braided teflon brake hoses, with
re-usable fittings?
jim beam - 09 Mar 2008 22:15 GMT
>>>>> Hi all:
>>>>> I'm anticipating the front brake pads on my 2005 Honda Accord Hybrid will
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>
> I adhere to all the best practices (+ more) that you've mentioned.
evidently not or you wouldn't have experienced the problems to which you
confess.
> I
> appreciate your advice and comments, but after I switched to ABS
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> pads (ordered from US). I have over the long run saved a lot of money
> while improving th braking system. What more can one ask for.
whatever. most of the local racers around these parts use oem disks.
tooling around on the freeway can't compare so you're wasting your money.
I've heard good things about the Hawk pads and highkm's experience bears
that out. Yeah, OEM is good but there are products that ARE better but
they typically are NOT at your local parts store, especially DISCOUNT
parts store.
One caveat on the rotors: Be carful of cross drilled rotors. They do
have a tendency to crack at the holes.
-SP
>>> Hi all:
>>> I'm anticipating the front brake pads on my 2005 Honda Accord Hybrid will
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> and none of them had good brakes. In fact that is my major complaint
> about Honda/Acura cars.