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Car Forum / Honda Cars / April 2008Hess gas and Honda Use?
Hello, I know this is going to sound like a dumb question, but does anyone recommend or not recommend the use of Hess brand gasoline in Hondas, such as a new Honda Accord? The Hess gas is 10-15 cents less per gallon than shell in my area. Thanks, Al > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Al It's not about the price to fill the tank. It's about the cost per mile. Run with Hess for a few months, and calculate your cost per mile. Then run with Shell for a few months. Start with several tanks of their 93 octane (V-Power) to clean out all the crap and crud that resulted from your using Hess, then go back to 87 octane and start measuring your cost per mile for Shell gas. It is possible to spend less to fill up the tank but more to drive each mile. And it's very likely that's what will happen. And, of course, there's the costs down the road. There's a reason Shell is one of Honda's recommended gasoline vendors (http://www.toptiergas.com). Yeah, the Hess gas costs less for the same reason the McD's hamburger costs less than the steak at Ruth's Chris. I have been using QuikTrip. It is listed as 'Top Tier' and they have a lot of stations. Would you consider QuikTrip equal to Shell?? In article <NLwLj.65597$y05.41608@newsfe22.lga>, "alfred" <tomboy83=@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Al It's not about the price to fill the tank. It's about the cost per mile. Run with Hess for a few months, and calculate your cost per mile. Then run with Shell for a few months. Start with several tanks of their 93 octane (V-Power) to clean out all the crap and crud that resulted from your using Hess, then go back to 87 octane and start measuring your cost per mile for Shell gas. It is possible to spend less to fill up the tank but more to drive each mile. And it's very likely that's what will happen. And, of course, there's the costs down the road. There's a reason Shell is one of Honda's recommended gasoline vendors (http://www.toptiergas.com). Yeah, the Hess gas costs less for the same reason the McD's hamburger costs less than the steak at Ruth's Chris. Okay thanks for the information. In my area there is Shell, Sunoco, Getty, Citgo and Exxon/Mobil. We don't have Quiktrip or Philips, Chevron or anything else like that. A friend of mine said to stay away from Hess/Merit, so I thought I'd ask here. Al >I have been using QuikTrip. It is listed as 'Top Tier' and they have a lot > of stations. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Yeah, the Hess gas costs less for the same reason the McD's hamburger > costs less than the steak at Ruth's Chris. > I have been using QuikTrip. It is listed as 'Top Tier' and they have a lot > of stations. > > Would you consider QuikTrip equal to Shell?? Not without knowing more about it. But then, if it has a good additive package to keep the engine clean (that's what Top Tier is really all about) and the fuel cost per mile is no more than Shell, I'd have no beef with it. >> I have been using QuikTrip. It is listed as 'Top Tier' and they have a lot >> of stations. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >(that's what Top Tier is really all about) and the fuel cost per mile is >no more than Shell, I'd have no beef with it. I've been using Hess gas for 10+ years and have not noticed any difference from that, then any other major vendor Sunoco, Shell or Exxon. > >> Would you consider QuikTrip equal to Shell?? > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > difference from that, then any other major vendor Sunoco, Shell or > Exxon. You wouldn't, unless you actually compared it to Shell. If you do, you'll see the difference. You'll see that the cheap gas (15 cents/gal less?) isn't keeping your engine clean and costs more per mile to run, regardless. >> >> Would you consider QuikTrip equal to Shell?? >> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >cents/gal less?) isn't keeping your engine clean and costs more per mile >to run, regardless. Well unfortunately the closest Shell that I have is about 20 miles away so that rules out being convenient for me to get it. I have tried it and noticed no difference in the way the car reacts. I have also tried Exxon, Lukoil and Sunoco, still no difference. It almost impossible to compare fuel cost per mile to say one is better than the other. There are too many variables to be able to get any accurate count on this. > >> I've been using Hess gas for 10+ years and have not noticed any > >> difference from that, then any other major vendor Sunoco, Shell or [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > it and noticed no difference in the way the car reacts. I have also > tried Exxon, Lukoil and Sunoco, still no difference. You won't tell on one tank of gas. You won't be able to tell anything. Not on one tank. > It almost > impossible to compare fuel cost per mile to say one is better than the > other. No it's not. Why do you say that? > There are too many variables to be able to get any accurate > count on this. If you do it over several months, most if not all of the variables come out in the wash. If several people drive the car, if you drive it under several conditions, so what? Over several months you'll do the same thing for both gasoline tests. Best to run the grocery store gas first and get that out of the way, then run Shell or another top tier gas for 6 months. I think you'd be amazed. >> >> I've been using Hess gas for 10+ years and have not noticed any >> >> difference from that, then any other major vendor Sunoco, Shell or [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >No it's not. Why do you say that? Well for one you won't travel the same road, at the same speed, at the same rpms for two consecutive tanks. That also doesn't factor even how many lights you stop and for how long. >> There are too many variables to be able to get any accurate >> count on this. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >I think you'd be amazed. > >> impossible to compare fuel cost per mile to say one is better than the > >> other. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > same rpms for two consecutive tanks. That also doesn't factor even how > many lights you stop and for how long. Did you read what I then said? It all comes out in the wash if you do it over several months. >> >> impossible to compare fuel cost per mile to say one is better than the >> >> other. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Did you read what I then said? It all comes out in the wash if you do >it over several months. There is nothing on that website to prove your claim. > >> >> impossible to compare fuel cost per mile to say one is better than the > >> >> other. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > There is nothing on that website to prove your claim. I didn't say there was. When did I say that? Can you quote me? I personally did the testing, on my own, older car. Shell gas costs less to run, per mile, than grocery store gas. Further, you plainly know nothing about testing something like this. Over one tank, your observations are valid. Over several months, you drive the car the same way on average. I have an unmodified 2004 Accord EX-L sedan 5-spd 4-cyl, purchased new four years ago, now with 51K. Car is used primarily in suburban area (75%) of northeastern U.S. with about 25% highway use. Rarely driven in snow, but used as a daily driver. I used CarCare software to keep meticulous track of MPG at every fill- up (only full fill-ups) by brand of gas. Here's the average track record for my Accord (four-years worth of data): Amoco / BP : 246 gallons total / 6792 miles traveled / 33 fill- ups / average of $2.46 per gallon / 27.63 avg MPG Exxon : 716 gallons total / 17,661 miles traveled / 91 fill-ups / average of $2.38 per gallon / 24.66 avg MPG Hess : 26 gallons total / 649 miles traveled / 4 fill-ups / average of $2.82 per gallon / 25.09 avg MPG Shell : 65 gallons total / 1729 miles traveled / 7 fill-ups / average of $2.08 per gallon / 26.47 avg MPG Sunoco : 520 gallons total / 15,626 miles traveled / 73 fill-ups / average of $2.65 per gallon / 30.07 avg MPG I believe I used the Shell brand early in the car's life, as the average gas prices were quite low in the U.S. I don't think I should rely on my Hess data, because it's statistically not significant here. >> I have been using QuikTrip. It is listed as 'Top Tier' and they have a lot >> of stations. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > (that's what Top Tier is really all about) and the fuel cost per mile is > no more than Shell that depends on calorie content. and the only way the layperson can get any handle on that is to keep accurate records of consumption over the same route in long term testing - just like you say. >, I'd have no beef with it. > > But then, if it has a good additive package to keep the engine clean > > (that's what Top Tier is really all about) and the fuel cost per mile is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > any handle on that is to keep accurate records of consumption over the > same route in long term testing - just like you say. yep. Although, given that it's regularly 15 cents/gallon cheaper than other gas, I don't think I'd waste my time spending a few months tracking the Hess gas cost/mile. There's a reason it's cheaper. The fuel company in question has made a marketing decision to appeal to those too dumb to understand anything beyond "look, it costs 15 cents/gallon less to buy!". >>> But then, if it has a good additive package to keep the engine clean >>> (that's what Top Tier is really all about) and the fuel cost per mile is [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > marketing decision to appeal to those too dumb to understand anything > beyond "look, it costs 15 cents/gallon less to buy!". as you know, i'm very interested in this fuel calorie content thing, and as a consumer paying for this stuff, i'd love to know what the heck i'm supposed to be getting for my money. i've noticed that when i put a bottle of injector cleaner in the car, its performance improves. not massively, but noticeably. and it's easy enough to tell because there's a hill near my home which has the perfect grade to be a great gauge. at 60mph, crap gas, the car needs lots of pedal and the old cable-controlled automatic transmission kick-down operates. good gas, injector cleaner, it'll pull up there at the same speed in top gear, never bats an eyelid. clearly the higher energy content is giving it more "oomph". if you look at injector cleaner contents, and as pointed out by tegger recently, it's mostly kerosene. kero is denser and has a slightly higher calorie content than regular gas. so the fact that the car runs better with a little extra kero [and thus, energy density] in the tank makes sense. again, i'd really love to know what goes into my tank and what the calorie content is. in fact, selling gas by the gallon /without/ this information is like selling whiskey without disclosing the alcohol content - a license [and incentive] to rip off the consumer. leaving calorie content as the exclusive territory of the oilcos is absolutely leaving the fox in charge of the hen house. >>>But then, if it has a good additive package to keep the engine clean >>>(that's what Top Tier is really all about) and the fuel cost per mile is [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > marketing decision to appeal to those too dumb to understand anything > beyond "look, it costs 15 cents/gallon less to buy!". An interesting note on Hess... I attended the national Studebaker meet in South Bend, Indiana in 2002 when average fuel prices were around $1.20 per gallon. At the time, a gas war in South Bend had prices closer to $1 per gallon and at the end of the meet I decided to fill up before going on the RI. Well, the gas war had ended and prices were in the mid $1.20 range except for Hess which was around $1.10. As I drove by, the line at Hess was too long so I just paid the higher price a little further down the road. When I returned to Texas, I read of the woes of many meet attendees who had serious fuel problems with the Hess gas. Sometimes cheepah ain't bettah... JT there are a lot of QuikTrip (QT) stations in Dallas area. It is rated as Tier 1. But I wonder if it is as good as Shell, Exxon, or other 'majors'. Also a lot of RaceTrac stations here but I didn't see RaceTrac listed as Tier 1. In article <NLwLj.65597$y05.41608@newsfe22.lga>, "alfred" <tomboy83=@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Al It's not about the price to fill the tank. It's about the cost per mile. Run with Hess for a few months, and calculate your cost per mile. Then run with Shell for a few months. Start with several tanks of their 93 octane (V-Power) to clean out all the crap and crud that resulted from your using Hess, then go back to 87 octane and start measuring your cost per mile for Shell gas. It is possible to spend less to fill up the tank but more to drive each mile. And it's very likely that's what will happen. And, of course, there's the costs down the road. There's a reason Shell is one of Honda's recommended gasoline vendors (http://www.toptiergas.com). Yeah, the Hess gas costs less for the same reason the McD's hamburger costs less than the steak at Ruth's Chris. |
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