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Car Forum / Honda Cars / November 2008No pressure on clutch pedal - can't change gear
Hi, I've just gone out to my 97 Honda Accord and there is no pressure on my clutch pedal. If I push it down, it goes all the way to the floor, and if I then lift it a little the spring causes it to come back up. Initially there was a little bit of pressure bringing it back up, but now there's none (engine off or on). When the engine is on, I can't engage any gears, presumably because depressing the clutch pedal is not having the normal effect. With the engine off, I can select any of the gears, and if I start the car in a gear it 'jumps' which implies the clutch *is* engaged and the gear selection is working. I am a bit wary of doing this too much as I don't want to put unnecessary strain on any other components in the clutch/gearbox. My guess is clutch master or cylinder - does that sound right? Is there anything simpler that could cause these symptoms? I had a full service about a month ago, so all the fluids should have been topped up then, and I haven't noticed any fluid leaks on the driveway. I'd go and check the fluids right now but it's dark and there's a gale blowing! As it stands I'm going to have to get it towed to the garage as I can't drive it at the moment. Thanks for any help anyone can offer, Al PS If anyone in the UK is reading, what sort of figure should I be looking out for a new clutch cylinder fitted at an independent mechanic? > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > looking out for a new > clutch cylinder fitted at an independent mechanic? clutch master is the commonest fault. needs replacement. if you need to drive the car, you might be able to refill the clutch fluid reservoir and pump it sufficiently to get it working, but this is a strictly temporary fix. beware also that brake fluid is leaking inside the car and will need to be cleaned out. soapy water is best. dry with paper towels to make sure the brake fluid chemicals are removed, not simply diluted. <snip> >clutch master is the commonest fault. needs replacement. if you need to >drive the car, you might be able to refill the clutch fluid reservoir and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >cleaned out. soapy water is best. dry with paper towels to make sure the >brake fluid chemicals are removed, not simply diluted. If there's fluid on the floor, it's the master. If the fluid is all over the bell housing, it's the slave. But, as the man said, I'd bet on the master first (doesn't have to leak into the car, though, but if it does, that's a sure sign). Refill and go may work for 50 miles, or only 5. Depends on how bad it is. > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > looking out for a new > clutch cylinder fitted at an independent mechanic? It may be either cylinder or the hose. Most common in my experience is the slave (at the gearbox) Last one I fitted was about a hundred quid IIRC Put some more fluid in, pump the pedal a few times and see where it falls out, either inside the car or on the floor. > It may be either cylinder or the hose. Most common in my experience is the > slave (at the gearbox) Last one I fitted was about a hundred quid IIRC There's an 89 - 98 Accord slave cylinder on ebay at £38.95 inc p&P ( 260304267970) Ian > As it stands I'm going to have to get it towed to the garage as I can't > drive it at the moment. As a matter of fact, you CAN drive the car in this condition. I and probably a million others have done it. You have to put the car into gear with the engine stopped and then start it. After that you will be able to change from gear to gear if you get the revs right. All this is not easy in traffic, but not impossible. Saves the cost of a tow. Rob Graham Thanks for all the comments. I just had the AA mechanic check it and both the master and slave cylinders have gone - apparently the master is worse. He has refilled and bled the system which should be just enough to get me to my garage to get them fixed. Both cylinders are reasonably easily accessible so hopefully the labour won't be too much! Al > Thanks for all the comments. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Both cylinders are reasonably easily accessible so hopefully the labour > won't be too much! Sounds eminently more sensible than what I've led to believe regarding the clutch slave cylinder on my Ford focus, which is apparently located 'inside' the gearbox bell housing, can anyone confirm if this is true? > Sounds eminently more sensible than what I've led to believe regarding the > clutch slave cylinder on my Ford focus, which is apparently located > 'inside' the gearbox bell housing, can anyone confirm if this is true? I've heard this too about Focuses. Lots of people change the slave if they have any gearbox work done as it saves on cost later (apparently). For the record, it was just the slave cylinder (AA man overcautious) and it cost me £125 all in. Honda wanted £215. Al >> Sounds eminently more sensible than what I've led to believe >> regarding the clutch slave cylinder on my Ford focus, which is [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Al Strange, that is just what I said it would be one week ago. >> Sounds eminently more sensible than what I've led to believe regarding the >> clutch slave cylinder on my Ford focus, which is apparently located [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Al 90 quid buys a lot of beer. When and where? >>For the record, it was just the slave cylinder (AA man overcautious) and >>it cost me £125 all in. Honda wanted £215. > > 90 quid buys a lot of beer. When and where? Exeter, Devon. Alphington Fast-Fit. >>>For the record, it was just the slave cylinder (AA man overcautious) and >>>it cost me £125 all in. Honda wanted £215. >> >> 90 quid buys a lot of beer. When and where? > >Exeter, Devon. Alphington Fast-Fit. I'll be there in two years. If you pour me one now, it should be nice and warm by then. A little flat, maybe. > GUEST wrote > Hi > > I've just gone out to my 97 Honda Accord and there is no pressur on my > clutch pedal > > If I push it down, it goes all the way to the floor, and if I the lift it a > little the spring cause > it to come back up. Initially there was a little bit of pressur bringing > it back up, but no > there's none (engine off or on) > > When the engine is on, I can't engage any gears, presumably becaus > depressing th > clutch pedal is not having the normal effect. With the engine off I can > select any of th > gears, and if I start the car in a gear it 'jumps' which implie the clutch > *is* engage > and the gear selection is working. I am a bit wary of doing thi too much > as I don't wan > to put unnecessary strain on any other components in th clutch/gearbox > My guess is clutch master or cylinder - does that sound right? I there > anything simple > that could cause these symptoms? I had a full service about month ago, so > all th > fluids should have been topped up then, and I haven't noticed an fluid > leaks on th > driveway. I'd go and check the fluids right now but it's dark an there's a > gale blowing > > As it stands I'm going to have to get it towed to the garage as can't > drive it at the moment > > Thanks for any help anyone can offer > A > > PS If anyone in the UK is reading, what sort of figure should I b looking > out for a ne > clutch cylinder fitted at an independent mechanic The sam thing happened to my 90 honda accord last week. I thought maybe i was the cold we suddenly got...it seemed to be ok after a littl driving. Then today, I could barely get it into gear in the parkin lot...I got about 2 miles from the house, and had to stop at a light It wouldn't go back into gear and now the gear box feels weird...lik it is stuck in a gear So I had to have it towed and the mechanics are saying not only do need a new master cylinder, but I need a new transmission....how tru is that? Keep in mind this mechanic is known for gross over estimates Would one failed shift really mess up the gear box that badly? The ca has low mileage for its age (96k) and has been in my family since i was new >> GUEST wrote: > > Hi, [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > need a new master cylinder, but I need a new transmission....how true is > that? unlikely. have a different mechanic replace the failed clutch hydraulics, and the problem will almost certainly disappear. > Keep in mind this mechanic is known for gross over estimates. > Would one failed shift really mess up the gear box that badly? The car > has low mileage for its age (96k) and has been in my family since it was > new. |
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