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Car Forum / Honda Cars / December 2008Any Honda models good in snow?
My '94 Accord sure is not. In winter time I foundly think of my old VW Beetle that would go anywhere in snow without snow tires. This Accord, even with front snow tires, is pretty lame. I wonder if Civics are any better. KJ > My '94 Accord sure is not. In winter time I foundly think of my old VW > Beetle that would go anywhere in snow without snow tires. This Accord, > even with front snow tires, is pretty lame. I wonder if Civics are any > better. > > KJ Just get winter tires and drive safely. Period. End of discussion. >> My '94 Accord sure is not. In winter time I foundly think of my old VW >> Beetle that would go anywhere in snow without snow tires. This Accord, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Just get winter tires and drive safely. Period. End of discussion. And I mean snow tires on all 4 wheels, not just the fronts. > My '94 Accord sure is not. You'd be amazed at what happens when you put snow tires on it. Or, if you don't like the yearly tire swap, just put Nokian WR tires on it. No need for snow tires with those babies, and they're smooth and quiet in summer to boot. > You'd be amazed at what happens when you put snow tires on it. I wrote that I used front snow tires. I don't see much point in having rear snow tires on on front wheel drive cars. It might only help down hill, but not up. > Or, if you don't like the yearly tire swap, just put Nokian WR tires > on > it. No need for snow tires with those babies, and they're smooth and > quiet in summer to boot. Never heard of them. KJ > > You'd be amazed at what happens when you put snow tires on it. > > I wrote that I used front snow tires. I don't see much point in having > rear snow tires on on front wheel drive cars. It might only help down > hill, but not up. You don't see the point, but then you're not educated in these matters. The fact is, snow tires on only two wheels HUGELY changes the dynamics of the car. The car is designed to have similar traction at all four wheels, whatever that traction is. When you change that, the car is now in a state that was never planned, never tested for, and which is probably MORE dangerous than just leaving all the tires alone. > You don't see the point, but then you're not educated in these > matters. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > state that was never planned, never tested for, and which is probably > MORE dangerous than just leaving all the tires alone. Hm, I guess I had my lack of education on these matters from my prior experience with RW driven cars that did fine in snow with only two snow tires. KJ > > Or, if you don't like the yearly tire swap, just put Nokian WR tires > > on > > it. No need for snow tires with those babies, and they're smooth and > > quiet in summer to boot. > > Never heard of them. You have now. Are you dismissing them because you've never heard of them before now? >> Never heard of them. > > You have now. > > Are you dismissing them because you've never heard of them before now? It's hard to take something into consideration that you never heard of. KJ > >> Never heard of them. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > It's hard to take something into consideration that you never heard of. then this newsgroup, and the whole Usenet thing, is useless to you. > then this newsgroup, and the whole Usenet thing, is useless to you. You can come to interesting conclusions. KJ > > then this newsgroup, and the whole Usenet thing, is useless to you. > > You can come to interesting conclusions. Why do you bother asking for information when you dismiss information simply because you've never heard the information before? Talk about interesting. > Why do you bother asking for information when you dismiss information > simply because you've never heard the information before? > > Talk about interesting. You're putting words into my mouth for I never dismissed it. I only stated that I never heard of it. From that it follows that I could not have used it before, not that I dismissed it. Are you seriously thinking that most people heard about Nokian WR tires? If I heard that name in another context, I would think it was a cell phone model, not a winter tire. That's why I wrote you were making interesting conclusions. I have a feeling everybody else understood this but you. KJ >> Why do you bother asking for information when you dismiss information >> simply because you've never heard the information before? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > tire. That's why I wrote you were making interesting conclusions. I have > a feeling everybody else understood this but you. your response to elmo was: "I wrote that I used front snow tires. I don't see much point in having rear snow tires on on front wheel drive cars. It might only help down hill, but not up." followed by: "Never heard of them." that sounds pretty damned dismissive to me. and your follow up response was: "Hm, I guess I had my lack of education on these matters from my prior experience with RW driven cars that did fine in snow with only two snow tires." so your bleating about "not understanding" the nature of the name is b.s. bottom line, you're being somewhat dishonest as well as highly disingenuous about what was extremely good advice. > your response to elmo was: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > "Never heard of them." Actually, I wrote the above first quote as a response to his "You'd be amazed at what happens when you put snow tires on it." Then I wrote my "Never heard of them." to his "Or, if you don't like the yearly tire swap, just put Nokian WR tires on it." > that sounds pretty damned dismissive to me. Only because you want to read that into it. > and your follow up response was: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > so your bleating about "not understanding" the nature of the name is > b.s. Your above quote from me was in a successive article and it looks misleading without also quoting what it was a response to. > bottom line, you're being somewhat dishonest as well as highly > disingenuous about what was extremely good advice. I never claimed it was a bad advice. I was just explaining the experience and point I was coming from. I live in the Seattle area now where snow, such as we're having now, happens maybe once every decade and most of us don't even have snow tires, not to mention rare ones, like that Nokian WR. I do have a pair of snow tires which are probably typical of what most people have around here and they are obviously not the best. But getting new tires for another big snow storm that might not happen before I get another car is just not something I could economically justify. However, I'll keep that advice in mind for my next car. What else did you expect from me? KJ Sorry KJ, but I just moved to the Seatle area and at the recommendation of neighbors have put all season tires on my car. My neighbor said this was the second time in two years Seatle has had snow storms like this. I've reread the thread and Jim Beam comments on your responses are pretty accurate. >> your response to elmo was: >> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > KJ > Sorry KJ, but I just moved to the Seatle area and at the > recommendation of neighbors have put all season tires on my car. My > neighbor said this was the second time in two years Seatle has had > snow storms like this. I've reread the thread and Jim Beam comments on > your responses are pretty accurate. Good for you and welcome. So how are you doing with those tires in hilly streets these days? My all season tires don't do that well on Eastside hills. I only see 4WD SUVs making the grade. No Honda sedans even though the neighborhood might as well be called Hondaville. BTW, the snow two years ago was nothing compared to what we have now. It melted in 2-3 days. Of course the snow fall also veries a lot locally. I often see almost dry roads just two miles downhill from my house in the traffic cams. If I could just make it that far and back. :-( Merry Christmas, KJ >>My '94 Accord sure is not. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > it. No need for snow tires with those babies, and they're smooth and > quiet in summer to boot. Drove an '88 Accord Lxi for 17 years, Bridgestone snows all around, never a problem in the snow. How about the CRV? Unstoppable. > How about the CRV? Unstoppable. How about the CRV with Nokian WR or with snows? Absolutely unstoppable. >>How about the CRV? Unstoppable. > > How about the CRV with Nokian WR or with snows? > > Absolutely unstoppable. Exactly. CRV with Dunlop SP WinterSport M3s. >>>How about the CRV? Unstoppable. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Exactly. CRV with Dunlop SP WinterSport M3s. I like to be able to stop as opposed to being unstoppable, so I put a set of Michelin x-ice 2 radials on my CRV. Now if I can only find a way to get over the big drifts of snow.... > My '94 Accord sure is not. In winter time I foundly think of my old VW > Beetle that would go anywhere in snow without snow tires. I'm old enough to remember Beetles in the snow. The ONLY thing they had going for them -- besides rearwards weight bias -- was tires so narrow that modern motorcycles would be embarrassed to wear them. > This Accord, > even with front snow tires, is pretty lame. Why? Please provide details of the deficiencies.  SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > I'm old enough to remember Beetles in the snow. The ONLY thing they had > going for them -- besides rearwards weight bias -- was tires so narrow that > modern motorcycles would be embarrassed to wear them. > Tegger Now that's funny.... -- Tp, -------- __o ----- -\<. -------- __o --- ( )/ ( ) ---- -\<. -------------------- ( )/ ( ) ----------------------------------------- No Lawsuit Ever Fixed A Moron... > I'm old enough to remember Beetles in the snow. The ONLY thing they > had > going for them -- besides rearwards weight bias -- was tires so narrow > that > modern motorcycles would be embarrassed to wear them. I don't think it was that bad on the '68 Beetle I used to have. The tires were pretty proportional to the car's body. Just check the following video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOg3iR-4HXk That was the one that could handle the worst New Jersey winters without snow tires. That's plenty to go for it. When I sold it 6 years later in So. Cal, I got about the same money for that costed me new, not counting the cheaper $ by then, of course. I don't think you could do that with a Honda. >> This Accord, >> even with front snow tires, is pretty lame. > > Why? Please provide details of the deficiencies. I see other front wheel drive sedans drive up on snowed-in uphill where I can not. I used to think that FW drives would be better in the winter, but that Beetle and later RW drive cars I had did much better, such as the RW drive Corolla I used to have (after putting some sand bags in its trunk.) KJ > My '94 Accord sure is not. In winter time I foundly think of my old VW > Beetle that would go anywhere in snow without snow tires. This Accord, > even with front snow tires, is pretty lame. I wonder if Civics are any > better. > > KJ Brings back memories -- of my college days when I had a 56 or so VW cabriolet with the 36 hp engine. Ran through some of the worst snow storms in Ohio back in the early 60s when nothing moved and had regular tires all the way around. The heater wasn't worth a flip though. >> My '94 Accord sure is not. In winter time I foundly think of my old VW >> Beetle that would go anywhere in snow without snow tires. This Accord, >> even with front snow tires, is pretty lame. I wonder if Civics are any >> better. >> >> KJ >Brings back memories -- of my college days when I had a 56 or so VW >cabriolet with the 36 hp engine. Ran through some of the worst snow storms >in Ohio back in the early 60s when nothing moved and had regular tires all >the way around. The heater wasn't worth a flip though. I had a superbug. It got stuck all the time. The biggest problem that both the accord and the bug have is too little ground clearence. > I had a superbug. It got stuck all the time. The biggest problem > that > both the accord and the bug have is too little ground clearence. Almost as little as a Corvette. 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