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Car Forum / Honda Cars / March 2009Excessive motor oil
Hi, I live in the US and drive a Honda Civic 2005. I have been going to the local auto shop that specializes in Japanese cars for car maintainence. These folks do a good job for the most part except for oil change. The Civic manual says that it will take 3.4 quarts of oil but these mechanics use the last quart completely. The dip stick shows the oil is filled far above the upper level mark. Will this cause any damage to the car? Any information or pointers appreciated. Thank you in advance. NJ > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > filled far above the upper level mark. Will this cause any damage to > the car? YES - go to your HONDA dealer! > YES - go to your HONDA dealer! There is no need to go to a Honda dealership to get an oil change. You can if you want, but going to a dealership doesnt guarantee you quality. >> YES - go to your HONDA dealer! > > There is no need to go to a Honda dealership to get an oil change. You > can if you want, > but going to a dealership doesnt guarantee you quality. Perhaps not, but it seems that where he has been going has NO IDEA how much oil the vehicle needs. Better safe than sorry. >>> YES - go to your HONDA dealer! >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Perhaps not, but it seems that where he has been going has NO IDEA how > much oil the vehicle needs. Better safe than sorry. We agree that this needs to be looked into. He should bring his concerns to the shop owner, not just stomp off angry. That independent shop owner should be very keen on getting things straight and keeping them straight. The same sort of cockup could have happened at a dealership. It is really hard to find a good mechanic these days and hard to keep them. Too many dopeheads, too many that dont know what they are doing, and too many that really dont care. >>>> YES - go to your HONDA dealer! >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > owner, not just stomp off angry. That independent shop owner should be > very keen on getting things straight and keeping them straight. > The same sort of cockup could have happened at a dealership. It is really > hard to find a good mechanic these days and hard to keep them. Too many > dopeheads, too many that dont know what they are doing, and too many that > really dont care. BULLSHIT! Oil change places are institutional RIP OFF parlors. Jiffy-Lube was one of the WORST at selling people sh.t they didn't need. I had my fill of them when I took a BRAND NEW GMC Jimmy in for an oil and filter change. They came back to me with a LONG laundry list of what it needed. Over $1,000 worth. Trans filter, trans fluid change, differential change, brake fluid flush, air filter. and it went on. The car only had 750 miles on it. They were SURE the transmission was "SHOT!" Frankly stuffing in an extra quart of oil is small potatoes for these rip-off factories. Maybe it was an innocent mistake. Frankly if the jackass doesn't KNOW how much oil a car takes - I wouldn't let him with 500 feet of MY car. Dealers OVERCHARGE for everything. But usually they fix it right. There are always exceptions. I had to get an adjustment on the valves on a new Pontiac Grand Prix (72) and they left a wrench inside. When they went to start it, so much for the engine. Pontiac sent a new crate motor for it. I wanted a new car, but since I had already put 20,000 miles on it, Pontiac said "THAT'S A NO!" Car was fine after that. The dealers are expensive but generally honest. Most COMPANY owned tire stores are good too. Many mom and pop repair salons are great if you establish a relationship with them. But the oil change chains? As they say in new York ... Ferrrrrrrrrrgettttttttttttttt bout it! >>>>> YES - go to your HONDA dealer! >>>> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > change chains? As they say in new York ... > Ferrrrrrrrrrgettttttttttttttt bout it! Nobody said anything about the Jiffy Lube franchises, krp. Something must have touched a nerve for you to explode like this. > Nobody said anything about the Jiffy Lube franchises, krp. > Something must have touched a nerve for you to explode like this. No he didn't mention "Jiffy Lube" I did. He mentioned a "little shop that specializes in Japanese cars." Over filling the oil may not be the biggest sin in the world, but if they get even an OIL CHANGE WRONG - what would they do with a brake job? >> Nobody said anything about the Jiffy Lube franchises, krp. >> Something must have touched a nerve for you to explode like this. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > biggest sin in the world, but if they get even an OIL CHANGE WRONG - > what would they do with a brake job? I do have to agree with krp about Jiffy Lube. In the early 90's I took a good working Mazda for Oil Change at Jiffy Lube. They tried to sell me a whole lot of unnecessary stuff which I declined. After that, the car started showing symptoms of sabotage. Fortunately, I gave it to a family friend and he fixed it. After that incident, I would avoid Jiffy Lube at all cost! Wal-Mart folks (depending on the region) do a good job at oil change. Jiffy Lube avoid it. This Japanese Auto shop I go to with my Honda Civic, they seem to be reasonable. They do have good ratings. This is the second time they are doing my oil change. I did bring it to their attention. The manager asked me to bring it in and he is going to check and drain out the excess oil. Thank you everyone for your ideas. NJ > Thank you everyone for your ideas. > > NJ I agree about the franchises like Jiffy Lube too, but that wasnt the subject of this thread. >>> Nobody said anything about the Jiffy Lube franchises, krp. >>> Something must have touched a nerve for you to explode like this. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > manager asked me to bring it in and he is going to check and drain out > the excess oil. As to Jiffy Lube they have been exposed by one of the Network TV magazine shows as a SCAM operation. I wouldn't take a skateboard in to them. > As to Jiffy Lube they have been exposed by one of the Network TV > magazine shows as a SCAM operation. I wouldn't take a skateboard in to > them. "They" can mean a lot of things.. I know the local owner of the Jiffy Lube franchise, and he is an okay guy. They use standard oil and filter options. Nothing wrong there. He is not a scam type of person..... But if they hire a "goober" and dont try to educate him to change oil and filter, then you will have trouble. I dont use Jiffy Lube. I still change my own oil and filter. >> As to Jiffy Lube they have been exposed by one of the Network TV >> magazine shows as a SCAM operation. I wouldn't take a skateboard in to >> them. > "They" can mean a lot of things.. I know the local owner of the Jiffy Lube > franchise, andhe is an okay guy. They use standard oil and filter > options. Nothing wrong there. He is not a scam type of person..... I believe it was ABC that did it and it was national in scope. They had the cars inspected before taking them in to Jiffy Lube. They found two things, the first being the HARD SELL on things the cars didn't need, AND in some cases deliberate sabotage of the cars. Like in some companies yopu can find a few crooks. In Jiffy Lube I am sure you can find some decent people. You will never get ME within 500 feet of one. > But if they hire a "goober" and dont try to educate him to change oil and > filter, then you > will have trouble. I dont use Jiffy Lube. I still change my own oil and > filter. I buy my own oil and filters in a parts store. Castrol Edge, and the Purolator ONE filter. But I have my Honda dealer do the change. >> Hi, >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > YES - go to your HONDA dealer! Haha, I did exactly that. They not only overfilled my car but spill oil on the engine. I had to smell oil burning for 30 miles. The only way to guarantee the job is done right is DIY. You can save some money too. >>> I live in the US and drive a Honda Civic 2005. I have been going to the >>> local auto shop that specializes in Japanese cars for car maintainence. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> YES - go to your HONDA dealer! > Haha, I did exactly that. They not only overfilled my car but spill oil on > the engine. I had to smell oil burning for 30 miles. > The only way to guarantee the job is done right is DIY. You can save some > money too. Well I would certainly scream at the dealer. There are dealers and dealers. > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > NJ Too much oil can certainly be harmful. Talk to the boss at the shop. He needs to mend his ways or counsel his employees. >Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >NJ If all it's got is the extra 0.6 of a quart I don't think you have anything at all to worry about. If the crankcase "size" is 6" x 12" and it has that extra 0.6 quart it means it's about a half inch higher then "normal". I've had v-8 cars filled with an extra 1.5 quarts that didn't seem to have any problem with it. >>> As to Jiffy Lube they have been exposed by one of the Network TV >>> magazine shows as a SCAM operation. I wouldn't take a skateboard in to [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> will have trouble. I dont use Jiffy Lube. I still change my own oil and >> filter. I buy my own oil and filters in a parts store. Castrol Edge, and the Purolator ONE filter. But I have my Honda dealer do the change. Why do I have the Honda dealer do it? First to make sure the right amount is put in and secondly to PROPERLY reset the computer. Well meaning mechanics not real familiar with the Honda computer have been known to FRY the complete system. Even dealers, who often use dropouts for entry level work like oil changes and brakes, frequently have problem filling them right. It can cause the crank lobes to aerate the oil (lowers lubrication property) and when too much oil gets onto the cylinder walls (overwhelms oil control rings) excessive oil consumption. > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > NJ |
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