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Car Forum / Honda Cars / November 20072007 Honda CRV won't hold a charge
The dealer is towing it in for the 3rd time today. If we go 2 or 3 days without driving the vehicle, the battery is low enough that it will not crank the engine. The first two times they found no problem and just charged the battery. The last time the dealer had it he checked for discharge and he replaced the battery. We have turned all the interior lights and everything off so it is not an open door. This is getting a little old. > The dealer is towing it in for the 3rd time today. If we go 2 or 3 days > without driving the vehicle, the battery is low enough that it will not [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > We have turned all the interior lights and everything off so it is not an > open door. This is getting a little old. Obviously a bad alternator. Make sure they replace it.  Signature"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". Not necessarily a bad alternator. Any defective part in the electrical system could be causing the problem. Static current needs to be checked as well as the total charging system. Unfortunately Honda mechanics are parts replacers and do not know how to diagnose electrical systems. Also this problem has showed many times with third party attachments. Any audio, security systems etc installed? Very often a problem. >> The dealer is towing it in for the 3rd time today. If we go 2 or 3 days >> without driving the vehicle, the battery is low enough that it will not [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Obviously a bad alternator. Make sure they replace it. Every thing is honda installed. No add-ons. > Not necessarily a bad alternator. Any defective part in the electrical > system could be causing the problem. Static current needs to be checked as [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >> Obviously a bad alternator. Make sure they replace it. Don't know if its a problem on the '07, but on my '06 the light in the glove box does not always go off when the box is closed. It would take a pretty long time for that one little bulb to run down the battery, but it still might be worth a look. On 11/26/07 5:43 PM, in article zSI2j.1840$NY.1620@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com, > Every thing is honda installed. No add-ons. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >>> >>> Obviously a bad alternator. Make sure they replace it. > Not necessarily a bad alternator. Any defective part in the electrical > system could be causing the problem. Static current needs to be checked as > well as the total charging system. Unfortunately Honda mechanics are parts > replacers and do not know how to diagnose electrical systems. Also this > problem has showed many times with third party attachments. Any audio, > security systems etc installed? Very often a problem. Yeah, yeah. It's a bad alternator. Bet on it. A: Because it destroys the logical flow of a thread of comments, and makes it difficult to keep up with a conversation. Q: Why do so many people object to top posting? A: Writing your reply to a message above what you are referring to rather than below it. Q: What is "top posting"? Signature"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". I like top posters. Otherwise I have to scroll down to read every message. >> Not necessarily a bad alternator. Any defective part in the electrical >> system could be causing the problem. Static current needs to be checked [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Q: What is "top posting"? Me too. Not to mention the fact that every modern newsreader I have encountered in the past couple of years defaults to top posting for replies. I think it is simply a resurgence of the same anal retentive flaming that went on a decade ago when there were a few who still had their original teletype terminals and went ballistic whenever anyone didn't cut all the previous discussion in his comments. As far as the "A: Q: A: Q:" below. That is not top posting either. A top post expresses a new thought completely, but above the previous discussion. Think of it as a push down stack. On 11/27/07 10:45 AM, in article 13kohtfm7l1ic54@corp.supernews.com, "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote: > I like top posters. Otherwise I have to scroll down to read every message. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >> Q: What is "top posting"? > Me too. Not to mention the fact that every modern newsreader I have > encountered in the past couple of years defaults to top posting for replies. That's because you're an ignorant n00b, who knows nothing except what MicroSloth allows you to know. > As far as the "A: Q: A: Q:" below. That is not top posting either. A top > post expresses a new thought completely, but above the previous discussion. > Think of it as a push down stack. See above regarding ignorance, and add a dash of "clueless". Bugger off. Signature"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". Typical bottom feeder. When someone doesn't agree with him he turns to trash mouth comments. Put them on the bottom so I don't have to read them. Top posting eliminates scrolling and also everyone has already read the below trash from previous posts and don't need to read it a second time' >> Me too. Not to mention the fact that every modern newsreader I have >> encountered in the past couple of years defaults to top posting for [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Bugger off. > Typical bottom feeder. When someone doesn't agree with him he turns to trash > mouth comments. Put them on the bottom so I don't have to read them. > Top posting eliminates scrolling and also everyone has already read the > below trash from previous posts and don't need to read it a second time' Typical Outhouse Excuse poster. Completely clueless, and stupid to boot. FOAD. Signature"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". I've been participating in this and other newsgroups for 12+ years and participating in PC systems and hardware design and computer design in general since 1969. If that makes me a n00b, then you must be pushing 80... On 11/27/07 1:28 PM, in article pan.2007.11.27.19.28.54.169410@moria.lan, >> Me too. Not to mention the fact that every modern newsreader I have >> encountered in the past couple of years defaults to top posting for replies. > > That's because you're an ignorant n00b, who knows nothing except what > MicroSloth allows you to know. I use a Mac. Haven't turned on the PC other that to use the obsolete scanner for 2 years now. >> As far as the "A: Q: A: Q:" below. That is not top posting either. A top >> post expresses a new thought completely, but above the previous discussion. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Bugger off. Me bugger off? Who died and left you in charge? Bugger off yourself. > I've been participating in this and other newsgroups for 12+ years and > participating in PC systems and hardware design and computer design in > general since 1969. If that makes me a n00b, then you must be pushing 80... A: Because it destroys the logical flow of a thread of comments, and makes it difficult to keep up with a conversation. Q: Why do so many people object to top posting? A: Writing your reply to a message above what you are referring to rather than below it. Q: What is "top posting"? >> That's because you're an ignorant n00b, who knows nothing except what >> MicroSloth allows you to know. > I use a Mac. Haven't turned on the PC other that to use the obsolete > scanner for 2 years now. > User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 I didn't know MicroSloth made applications for the Mac. Either way, you're still under their thumb. >> Bugger off. > Me bugger off? Who died and left you in charge? Bugger off yourself. Nobody "left" me in charge. I've always been in charge. Now, like I said, bugger off and STFU, boy. Signature"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". > I like top posters. Otherwise I have to scroll down to read every > message. See my response to the other ignoramus. It applies to you, also. Signature"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". On 11/27/2007 1:29 PM Dan C spake these words of knowledge: >> I like top posters. Otherwise I have to scroll down to read every >> message. > > See my response to the other ignoramus. It applies to you, also. Jeez. If you've been around long enough to understand the benefits of bottom posting and/or interspersed posting, you should be able to grasp that you cannot educate or otherwise change the mind of those who don't or won't get it. Give it a rest. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen SignatureDying is no excuse. Nixon in 2008. >> Not necessarily a bad alternator. Any defective part in the electrical >> system could be causing the problem. Static current needs to be checked as [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Yeah, yeah. It's a bad alternator. Bet on it. No, the power coupling on the negative axis has been polarized. Very common on CVR's. >> Yeah, yeah. It's a bad alternator. Bet on it. > No, the power coupling on the negative axis has been polarized. Very > common on CVR's. The "power coupling on the negative axis", huh? Did you learn that at Space Camp, or at a Star Trekkie sleepover? Signature"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". >>> Yeah, yeah. It's a bad alternator. Bet on it. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Did you learn that at Space Camp, or at a Star Trekkie sleepover? Bad attempt at humor, sorry (it's Star Wars btw). I think you're probably right. If it was an older car, I guess one could try to use a multimeter and measure the flow of current over the different curcuits in the fuse box - and search on from there, but with a 2007 CRV it should not be the owners problem, but the dealership's. A current that empties a car battery in 2 days should be possible to measure and locate. >>>> Yeah, yeah. It's a bad alternator. Bet on it. >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > current that empties a car battery in 2 days should be possible to > measure and locate. and the response(big lie) from the Honda service person was totally unacceptable and should be reported to the proper Honda representative. SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net >>The dealer is towing it in for the 3rd time today. If we go 2 or 3 days >>without driving the vehicle, the battery is low enough that it will not [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Obviously a bad alternator. Make sure they replace it. Hi, How can you be so definitive? It could be an old battery, it could be the alternator, it could be regulator(imbedded in alternator), it could be simple loose connection or leakagy or something is drawing current. How old is the battery? >> Obviously a bad alternator. Make sure they replace it. > How can you be so definitive? It could be an old battery, it could be > the alternator, it could be regulator(imbedded in alternator), it could > be simple loose connection or leakagy or something is drawing current. > How old is the battery? Did you read the subject line? It's a *2007* vehicle. How old do you think the battery is? He said it's been into the dealer's service department already (twice). A loose connection would have been found. That leaves what? That's right. The alternator. Signature"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". >>> Obviously a bad alternator. Make sure they replace it. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > That leaves what? That's right. The alternator. Spoke to the service manager today re: my wife's '07 Odyssey that I posted about elsewhere in this thread... He said he has seen a bad batch of relays. They stick in the closed position leaving power on to various systems in the car and that might be the cause that is draining the battery so fast. He is picking the car up from my wife's office on Friday to check/replace the relays in question as well as put a new battery in A) just in case it is a faulty battery and B) it could eventually die a premature death from having been run flat a few times already. >>>> Obviously a bad alternator. Make sure they replace it. >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > A) just in case it is a faulty battery and B) it could eventually die > a premature death from having been run flat a few times already. what is it with Honda and bad relays? (the infamous "main relay"!!) I wonder what manufacturer made that batch in your 07? SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net >>>Obviously a bad alternator. Make sure they replace it. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > That leaves what? That's right. The alternator. Hi, Age aside, a battery can have a internal electrode short, one cell dead, broken connection inside, etc. Most weakness amongst auto mechanics is a lack of good knowledge in electronics/electricity. Old grease monkeys just don't cut it nowadays. Still you can't blame alternator outright. As a retired EE, I always managed to solve electrical problems on my fleet of family cars/truck. So far I never ran into a mechanic who impressed me as far as electrical problem is concerned. >> That leaves what? That's right. The alternator. > Age aside, a battery can have a internal electrode short, one cell dead, > broken connection inside, etc. Most weakness amongst auto mechanics is a > lack of good knowledge in electronics/electricity. Old grease monkeys > just don't cut it nowadays. Still you can't blame alternator outright. <sigh> I guess you haven't read his original post, where he said the dealer had already replaced the battery.... Do you still think it's the battery? As I've been saying all along, it's the alternator. Thanks for playing. Signature"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". >>>That leaves what? That's right. The alternator. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > As I've been saying all along, it's the alternator. Thanks for playing. Hi, You are not reading my post well either. I covered most of everything. Usually battery is the first thing they replace without good reason. When I investigated swapped out batteries, almost 80% was in good shape. My brother(chemistry major) once worked in Exide battery plant. We talked a lot about batteries. I live in very cold climate. Keeping a car in good running order is a matter of life and dead in winter time. >>>Age aside, a battery can have a internal electrode short, one cell dead, >>>broken connection inside, etc. Most weakness amongst auto mechanics is a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> As I've been saying all along, it's the alternator. Thanks for playing. > You are not reading my post well either. I covered most of everything. I am reading your posts just fine. You are lacking in comprehension. > Usually battery is the first thing they replace without good reason. > When I investigated swapped out batteries, almost 80% was in good shape. OK, this may be true. However................................. since they have *already* replaced the battery, and the problem is still there, it's *NOT* the battery causing the problem!!!!!!! Why can't you understand this??? > My brother(chemistry major) once worked in Exide battery plant. We > talked a lot about batteries. I live in very cold climate. Keeping a car > in good running order is a matter of life and dead in winter time. Whatever. Completely irrelevant to the discussion. Signature"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". > The dealer is towing it in for the 3rd time today. If we go 2 or 3 days > without driving the vehicle, the battery is low enough that it will not [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > We have turned all the interior lights and everything off so it is not an > open door. This is getting a little old. Same problem on my wife's '07 Odyssey. First time was when it was parked at the airport for 7 days during the summer. 2nd time was last week when we returned after only being gone 5 days. This morning my wife took it to the dealer and he said it was "normal". Service writer said the "higher demands of the ECU drain the battery quicker". Tomorrow I am going to call him and if he sticks to that story I'll call Honda regional and see what they have to say. The service writers answer basically translates to "if you drive an Odyssey, you can't go on vacation". >> The dealer is towing it in for the 3rd time today. If we go 2 or 3 >> days without driving the vehicle, the battery is low enough that it [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > "normal". Service writer said the "higher demands of the ECU drain the > battery quicker". What BS;if the car is OFF,the ECU is not doing anything. No "higher demands". > Tomorrow I am going to call him and if he sticks to that story I'll > call Honda regional and see what they have to say. The service > writers answer basically translates to "if you drive an Odyssey, you > can't go on vacation". SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net The Dealership should be able to check the current draw on the battery with the ignition off by placing an ammeter between the negative battery cable and ground. They will be able to determine if the current draw observed is normal or not. If it's too high then they have to disconnect circuits by removing the fuses one at a time until they find the faulty one. If the draw is normal then I also would suspect the altenator. Just my two cents. > The dealer is towing it in for the 3rd time today. If we go 2 or 3 days > without driving the vehicle, the battery is low enough that it will not [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > We have turned all the interior lights and everything off so it is not an > open door. This is getting a little old. > The Dealership should be able to check the current draw on the battery with > the ignition off by placing an ammeter between the negative battery cable [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >>We have turned all the interior lights and everything off so it is not an >>open door. This is getting a little old. Hi, Why dealership? Anyone can do this test with a small 12V bulb if neter is nat handy. > The dealer is towing it in for the 3rd time today. If we go 2 or 3 days > without driving the vehicle, the battery is low enough that it will not [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > We have turned all the interior lights and everything off so it is not an > open door. This is getting a little old. Just an update. It seems they have found a phantom load that is discharging the battery but they have yet to figure out exactly what it is. Since all items are Honda installed and supplied they can't blame it on anything else. The new battery (3 weeks old) is fine and they report the alternator is fine as well. >> The dealer is towing it in for the 3rd time today. If we go 2 or 3 days >> without driving the vehicle, the battery is low enough that it will not [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > on anything else. The new battery (3 weeks old) is fine and they report > the alternator is fine as well. Ask them if they checked for stuck relays. |
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