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Car Forum / Honda Cars / December 2007New tires & rims pull to the right
I just put winter tires and steel rims on my 2001 Accord coupe. I've noticed the car seems to want to pull to the right now, and didn't before. The tires were on a different car last winter, is it possible the camber/toe was different enough on the old car that it's causing this one to track to the right? If that's the case, it should eventually even out as the tires wear to match this car's setup, right? > I just put winter tires and steel rims on my 2001 Accord coupe. I've > noticed the car seems to want to pull to the right now, and didn't [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > eventually even out as the tires wear to match this car's setup, > right? try swapping the tires to the opposite side,see what happens.  SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in news:Xns99FAAB7912CBDjyanikkuanet@ 64.209.0.86: >> I just put winter tires and steel rims on my 2001 Accord coupe. I've >> noticed the car seems to want to pull to the right now, and didn't [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > try swapping the tires to the opposite side,see what happens. Ditto. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ Well they are a directional tire, so if that solves the problem should I have them both remounted the other way around? Or would that just mean that it's a tire wear thing that will eventually go away? > Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in news:Xns99FAAB7912CBDjyanikkuanet@ > 64.209.0.86: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Ditto. > Well they are a directional tire, so if that solves the problem should I > have them both remounted the other way around? Or would that just mean that > it's a tire wear thing that will eventually go away? In that case, try swapping them front-back. If the alignment was off only front or rear on the original car, only one set should be worn, and at the very least, it should CHANGE the degree to which it affects your steering now. >> Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in news:Xns99FAAB7912CBDjyanikkuanet@ >> 64.209.0.86: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >> Ditto. <inappropriate top-posting corrected> >> Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in >> news:Xns99FAAB7912CBDjyanikkuanet@ 64.209.0.86: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I have them both remounted the other way around? Or would that just > mean that it's a tire wear thing that will eventually go away? Directional doesn't matter. Swap them left to right anyway for testing, but be careful on wet roads. This sort of problem does not just "go away". SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ <inappropriate top-posting added, just to be a git> Of course, you could always take your car by a tire shop and have them give the tires a look - most should do it for free, and they'll know at a glance if there are any strange wear patterns. If the tires are good, you'll probably need to have the alignment done, and most larger tire shops can do this as well. > <inappropriate top-posting corrected> > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > This sort of problem does not just "go away". > Well they are a directional tire, so if that solves the problem should > I have them both remounted the other way around? Or would that just [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >> Ditto. a directional WINTER tire? I didn't know there was such an animal. why would a winter tire need to be directional? What benefit? It doesn't make sense. SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net > a directional WINTER tire? I didn't know there was such an animal. http://www.toyocanada.com/products/ObserveG02plus.asp OBSERVE G-02 plus - Ultimate Traction Winter Radial for passenegr vehicles > why would a winter tire need to be directional? What benefit? > It doesn't make sense. * Designed with an aggressive unidirectional tread pattern for superior performance in extreme snow and ice conditions, the Toyo OBSERVE G-02 plus winter tire technology was specifically built to handle Canada's most brutal winters. >> a directional WINTER tire? I didn't know there was such an animal. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > OBSERVE G-02 plus winter tire technology was specifically built to > handle Canada's most brutal winters. that's not much of a "directional" tread pattern. Barely "directional". SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net >>> a directional WINTER tire? I didn't know there was such an animal. >> http://www.toyocanada.com/products/ObserveG02plus.asp [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > that's not much of a "directional" tread pattern. > Barely "directional". Actually, just noticed today that the Michelin X-ICE snow tires on my MPV are unidirectional as well... http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=X-Ice >>>> a directional WINTER tire? I didn't know there was such an animal. >>> http://www.toyocanada.com/products/ObserveG02plus.asp [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=X-Ice Again,not much "directionality".(a deep Vee tread) (compared to common sport directional tire treads) For a snow tire,you really can't go "directional" like regular sport tires(like Yoko ES100),you'd lose the snow traction ability. SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net > Again,not much "directionality".(a deep Vee tread) > (compared to common sport directional tire treads) > > For a snow tire,you really can't go "directional" like regular sport > tires(like Yoko ES100),you'd lose the snow traction ability. I didn't realize there could be varying degrees of "directionality"... is it possible to be "only a little bit directional"? Is that like being "slightly pregnant"? >> Again,not much "directionality".(a deep Vee tread) >> (compared to common sport directional tire treads) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > is it possible to be "only a little bit directional"? Is that like > being "slightly pregnant"? by that I mean the degree of slant of the grooving.If you examine the ES100 tread,the "directional" grooves wrap much more around the tire in the plane of the tire,a "deeper Vee". your tire is much more "cross tread" than a typical directional tread tire. Thus you get more tire noise on dry pavement. I doubt you'd see much difference if your tire was mounted the "wrong way". SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net >>> Again,not much "directionality".(a deep Vee tread) >>> (compared to common sport directional tire treads) [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > I doubt you'd see much difference if your tire was mounted the "wrong way". I'm looking at assorted different pictures of various directional tires. Few of their tread patterns are as "exaggerated" as those on the ES100s. Fact is, the manufacturer considers the design "directional" and the tires are accordingly marked with directional arrows. Thus they ARE, in fact, directional tires, whether or not Jim Yanik considers them to be so. >>I just put winter tires and steel rims on my 2001 Accord coupe. I've >>noticed the car seems to want to pull to the right now, and didn't [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > try swapping the tires to the opposite side,see what happens. Hi, Providing they are not directional. > I just put winter tires and steel rims on my 2001 Accord coupe. I've > noticed the car seems to want to pull to the right now, and didn't before. > The tires were on a different car last winter, is it possible the camber/toe > was different enough on the old car that it's causing this one to track to > the right? If that's the case, it should eventually even out as the tires > wear to match this car's setup, right? no. get the alignment checked by someone that knows what they're doing. that's not as common as you may suppose. if it still pulls, rotate the tires. if that affects it, keep rotating until you find a combo that works. or replace them. Thanks for the replies.. I did, now that I think about it, have 2 tie rods replaced on the previous car, so it's possible the alignment was off while these tires were mounted. I'll see about taking the Accord somewhere to get the alignment checked or at least try swapping the wheels around. I'd hate to have to replace them; they're still in good shape with lots of tread and they're great in the snow. They are a directional winter tire, they're Nokian Hakkapeliitta RSi's: www.canadiandriver.com/winter/tires/hakka_rsi.htm > Thanks for the replies.. I did, now that I think about it, have 2 tie > rods replaced on the previous car, so it's possible the alignment was [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > www.canadiandriver.com/winter/tires/hakka_rsi.htm I'm glad I'm in FLORIDA. B-) I wore shorts today,BTW,rode my bicycle,a nice day. a cold front coming in,I'll have to close the patio door. SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net > I'm glad I'm in FLORIDA. B-) > I wore shorts today,BTW,rode my bicycle,a nice day. > a cold front coming in,I'll have to close the patio door. Heh heh, rub it in why dontcha?? You don't know what you're missing.. snowbanks you can't see over when pulling out into traffic, 2" of ice on the car in the morning, having to walk to school barefoot in 2 ft of snow, uphill... oh wait, that's another story... >> I'm glad I'm in FLORIDA. B-) >> I wore shorts today,BTW,rode my bicycle,a nice day. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > on the car in the morning, having to walk to school barefoot in 2 ft > of snow, uphill... oh wait, that's another story... Well,I USED to live up North,until 1986,grew up in Buffalo. I spent MANY a morn waiting in snow for the school bus. I don't miss snow at all. I keep some pix on my PC of last year's deep lake-effect snow in Western NY. SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net >>>I'm glad I'm in FLORIDA. B-) >>>I wore shorts today,BTW,rode my bicycle,a nice day. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I keep some pix on my PC of last year's deep lake-effect snow in Western > NY. IIRC, Buffaloono really got hamered last year.. JT >>>>I'm glad I'm in FLORIDA. B-) >>>>I wore shorts today,BTW,rode my bicycle,a nice day. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > JT Rochester area got it even worse. I have pix of rotary snowplows drving thru passages 2x as high as the plow. SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net >>>>>I'm glad I'm in FLORIDA. B-) >>>>>I wore shorts today,BTW,rode my bicycle,a nice day. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Rochester area got it even worse. > I have pix of rotary snowplows drving thru passages 2x as high as the plow. I love snow! ...in pictures, on teevee etc. <G> JT >>I'm glad I'm in FLORIDA. B-) >>I wore shorts today,BTW,rode my bicycle,a nice day. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > car in the morning, having to walk to school barefoot in 2 ft of snow, > uphill... oh wait, that's another story... 70's in Austin and forecast similar temps for the next seven days... JT (Who used to hail from the northeast) > I just put winter tires and steel rims on my 2001 Accord coupe. I've > noticed the car seems to want to pull to the right now, and didn't before. > The tires were on a different car last winter, is it possible the camber/toe > was different enough on the old car that it's causing this one to track to > the right? If that's the case, it should eventually even out as the tires > wear to match this car's setup, right? Maybe the shop used poor lifting practices and bend a suspension arm slightly. |
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