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I'm #2 !!!  Most stolen car

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dgk - 12 Dec 2007 14:12 GMT
It might be old news, but the most stolen car in 2006 (US) is the 1995
Civic. Number 2 is a 1991 Accord. That's the one I have. Oh joy.

http://www.newsday.com/services/newspaper/printedition/wednesday/longisland/ny-l
icars125496908dec12,0,7892563.story

C. E. White - 12 Dec 2007 14:20 GMT
> It might be old news, but the most stolen car in 2006 (US) is the 1995
> Civic. Number 2 is a 1991 Accord. That's the one I have. Oh joy.
>
> http://www.newsday.com/services/newspaper/printedition/wednesday/longisland/ny-l
icars125496908dec12,0,7892563.story

You have to wonder about the talent and intelligence of thieves that are
stealing 13 and 17 year old cars. I suppose this has more to do with the
difficulty of stealing newer cars than the "goodness" of old Hondas. What
does one do with a stolen 1991 Accord? I know Honda parts are outrageously
expensive, but surely the demand for used 17 year old Honda parts must be
pretty low.

Ed
Jim Yanik - 12 Dec 2007 15:28 GMT
>> It might be old news, but the most stolen car in 2006 (US) is the
>> 1995 Civic. Number 2 is a 1991 Accord. That's the one I have. Oh joy.

That's because they've run out of Integra GS-Rs to steal....

>> http://www.newsday.com/services/newspaper/printedition/wednesday/longi
>> sland/ny-licars125496908dec12,0,7892563.story
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Ed

the older cars motors are more easily modified.

they take the motors,transaxles,ECU,seats,doors,front fenders,and other
misc parts,then torch the rest in some field.

These are usually street drag racers who burn up motors trying to get lots
of HP from them,and then steal to get 'new' motors to build up and burn up.

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jim beam - 13 Dec 2007 03:07 GMT
>>> It might be old news, but the most stolen car in 2006 (US) is the
>>> 1995 Civic. Number 2 is a 1991 Accord. That's the one I have. Oh joy.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> These are usually street drag racers who burn up motors trying to get lots
> of HP from them,and then steal to get 'new' motors to build up and burn up.

you got it!
Jim Yanik - 13 Dec 2007 04:18 GMT
>>>> It might be old news, but the most stolen car in 2006 (US) is the
>>>> 1995 Civic. Number 2 is a 1991 Accord. That's the one I have. Oh
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> you got it!

Personal experience;
I USED to own an Integra GS-R. stolen June 29th of this year.

I'd like Florida laws like Texas has concerning shooting people stealing
your property.

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Grumpy AuContraire - 13 Dec 2007 17:21 GMT
> Personal experience;
> I USED to own an Integra GS-R. stolen June 29th of this year.
>
> I'd like Florida laws like Texas has concerning shooting people stealing
> your property.

Bang, bang, bang, <plop>...  Bang, bang!

<G>

JT

Austin, TX
Tegger - 14 Dec 2007 01:10 GMT
>> Personal experience;
>> I USED to own an Integra GS-R. stolen June 29th of this year.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> <G>

It is interesting that you'd only have gotten in trouble for performing the
above action if you had done it within the last 40 years.

Prior to that they'd have disregarded the excess roundage and pinned a
medal on you for improving the country's gene pool and helping to lower the
crime rate. This was true even in the now Communist republic of Kanada,
where I am unfortunately forced to reside.

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Grumpy AuContraire - 14 Dec 2007 03:04 GMT
>>>Personal experience;
>>>I USED to own an Integra GS-R. stolen June 29th of this year.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> crime rate. This was true even in the now Communist republic of Kanada,
> where I am unfortunately forced to reside.

It's amazing on how far we've "come."

Just about anywhere on the east or west coast(s), they'd be pro, er
persecuting you for protecting your life, never mind your stuff.

Here in Texas, well it just ain't a healthy thing to trespass uninvited
especially at night. Very slim chance that you'd prosecuted here. Just a
couple of weeks ago, a neighbor (of an apparant burglary victim) called
911 that his neighbor's house was being broken into and that he was
about to go and shoot the perps. He shot 'em both dead and no charges
are pending...

JT
babbler - 14 Dec 2007 04:11 GMT
 This was true even in the now Communist republic of Kanada,
> where I am unfortunately forced to reside.

then get the f.ck out. No one is forcing you to stay here.
Tegger - 14 Dec 2007 13:26 GMT
>   This was true even in the now Communist republic of Kanada,
>> where I am unfortunately forced to reside.
>
> then get the f.ck out. No one is forcing you to stay here.

True, but /leaving's/ not the problem. Getting /into/ the US is the
problem.

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Grumpy AuContraire - 14 Dec 2007 17:26 GMT
>>  This was true even in the now Communist republic of Kanada,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> True, but /leaving's/ not the problem. Getting /into/ the US is the
> problem.

Heh...  Fly down to messyco and sneak across from that end.  If you have
a valuable "skill," you'll have it made!

(Lawn care experience helps...)

Oh, don't bother learning engrish... That'll hold you back..

JT
Tegger - 14 Dec 2007 19:21 GMT
>>>  This was true even in the now Communist republic of Kanada,
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> (Lawn care experience helps...)

O habilidades de cosechar lechuga...

> Oh, don't bother learning engrish... That'll hold you back..

No hablo Ingles, hombre.

Ahora debo comprar un lowrider. Doink!

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Jim Yanik - 15 Dec 2007 01:04 GMT
>>>  This was true even in the now Communist republic of Kanada,
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> JT

I can't imagine that long a line for Canadians to become legit US citizens
or get green cards.
Seems like a lot of Canuck actors & actresses manage it.  8-)

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Tegger - 15 Dec 2007 02:07 GMT
> I can't imagine that long a line for Canadians to become legit US
> citizens or get green cards.

That's because there's lttle difference between Canada and the US. Not like
the difference between the Estados Unidos and Meh-ee-co.

> Seems like a lot of Canuck actors & actresses manage it.  8-)

Canada: Hollywood's minor leagues.

Somebody fairly knowledgeable once told me Hollywood is half Canadian and
half Jewish.

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Jim Yanik - 15 Dec 2007 02:14 GMT
>> I can't imagine that long a line for Canadians to become legit US
>> citizens or get green cards.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Somebody fairly knowledgeable once told me Hollywood is half Canadian
> and half Jewish.

I'm still undecided whether Pam Anderson's coming to the US was a plus or
minus....

I still get a laugh from the "McKenzie Brothers",eh?   8-)

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Tegger - 17 Dec 2007 11:39 GMT
> I still get a laugh from the "McKenzie Brothers",eh?   8-)

The funniest thing about the McKenzie Brothers is that Dave Thomas and Rick
Moranis invented the Brothers as a joke, as a thumbed-nose to Canadian
regulators, who require a certain amount of "Canadian content" on Canadian-
legal television.

To their astonishment, the McKenzie Brothers became a continent-wide hit.

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Grumpy AuContraire - 14 Dec 2007 17:20 GMT
>  This was true even in the now Communist republic of Kanada,
>
>> where I am unfortunately forced to reside.
>
> then get the f.ck out. No one is forcing you to stay here.

Incapable of intelligent discourse, eh?

JT
Elle - 12 Dec 2007 17:16 GMT
> "dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote
>> It might be old news, but the most stolen car in 2006
>> (US) is the 1995
>> Civic. Number 2 is a 1991 Accord. That's the one I have.
>> Oh joy.

> You have to wonder about the talent and intelligence of
> thieves that are stealing 13 and 17 year old cars. I
> suppose this has more to do with the difficulty of
> stealing newer cars than the "goodness" of old Hondas.
> What does one do with a stolen 1991 Accord?

I heard through the grapevine that much of the motivation
for car thefts in some cities is simply sport. Thieves steal
the car, drive it around for fun, then dump it. No profits
to be made, other than the exhilaration of the theft and
obviously short-term drive.
dgk - 12 Dec 2007 20:45 GMT
>> "dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote
>>> It might be old news, but the most stolen car in 2006
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>to be made, other than the exhilaration of the theft and
>obviously short-term drive.

But that wouldn't target a 1991 Accord. It's solid, but with the
springs sort of shot, not the kind of car that's too much fun to drive
anymore.

I've never bothered to have comprehensive coverage because the car is
not exactly worth too much, but clearly someone wants it.
Elle - 13 Dec 2007 00:45 GMT
>>I heard through the grapevine that much of the motivation
>>for car thefts in some cities is simply sport. Thieves
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> fun to drive
> anymore.

I think the ease of theft may outweigh the suspension
quality, hp under the hood, etc. These guys often have just
a few minutes to get the wheels moving, right? If I were a
car thief out for thrills, I would not be so choosy.

> I've never bothered to have comprehensive coverage because
> the car is
> not exactly worth too much, but clearly someone wants it.

Indeed. One of the advantages of an older car.
Jim Yanik - 13 Dec 2007 04:31 GMT
>>>I heard through the grapevine that much of the motivation
>>>for car thefts in some cities is simply sport. Thieves
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>> the car is
>> not exactly worth too much, but clearly someone wants it.

The Hell it's not worth comprehensive coverage...the cost to replace broken
windows,radio,stolen ECU,or like one girl's GS-R;stolen seats,cold air
intake,wheels and tires....
Then there's the major nuisance of your car not working until the missing
parts are replaced.

I paid less than $100 a year for $100 deductible.WELL worth it.

> Indeed. One of the advantages of an older car.

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Grumpy AuContraire - 13 Dec 2007 17:23 GMT
>>>>I heard through the grapevine that much of the motivation
>>>>for car thefts in some cities is simply sport. Thieves
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> I paid less than $100 a year for $100 deductible.WELL worth it.

I maintain comprehensive on all my old cars. Hit a deer, you get paid. I
pay about $30 each per year for the coverage..

JT
Grumpy AuContraire - 13 Dec 2007 17:19 GMT
>>>I heard through the grapevine that much of the motivation
>>>for car thefts in some cities is simply sport. Thieves
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Indeed. One of the advantages of an older car.

One has to admire those that continue to run their old cars.

No longer trapped in the "trade 'n pay" morass, they maximize value and
focus on spending money elsewhere rather than feed the monetary squirrel
cage.

I only owned one new car in my life, a 1961 VW beetle. That car held its
value better than any other vehicle of its time but still, it rusted
away long ago.

Besides, tinkering with your old heap of iron helps to keep you from
getting into other trouble...  (Hear that Teg?)

JT
Elle - 13 Dec 2007 18:04 GMT
> One has to admire those that continue to run their old
> cars.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> That car held its value better than any other vehicle of
> its time but still, it rusted away long ago.

I think I am getting away from the thinking that, if driven
into the ground, a new car is as economical as an old one. I
have owned three cars. The last two were purchased spanking
new. But now having done a great deal of work on my current
wheels (1991 Civic) over the last several years and saving a
pile of money, I wonder whether buying used and driving it
into the ground is way more savings.

> Besides, tinkering with your old heap of iron helps to
> keep you from getting into other trouble...

True here.
Larry in AZ - 13 Dec 2007 20:42 GMT
Waiving the right to remain silent, "Elle"
<honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> said:

>> One has to admire those that continue to run their old  cars.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> pile of money, I wonder whether buying used and driving it
> into the ground is way more savings.

The week you need it the most will be the week it fails to run and needs
$2,500 in repairs, and you've got no warranty.  The repairs will probably
cost more than the value of the car, so you'll need to purchase another
immediately.

What kind of "savings" is that..?

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Elle - 13 Dec 2007 23:50 GMT
> Waiving the right to remain silent, "Elle"
> <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> said:
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> The week you need it the most

I neglected to mention I am retired.

>  will be the week it fails to run and needs
> $2,500 in repairs, and you've got no warranty.

$2500 in repairs for a 91 Civic translates to either major
body work or something like a new engine. Car is worth about
$600 right now, per Kelly Blue Book.

I take the bus, bicycle, worst case taxi. Come on, give
people some credit.

> The repairs will probably
> cost more than the value of the car, so you'll need to
> purchase another
> immediately.
>
> What kind of "savings" is that..?

I do my own effin' repairs. I'd buy a new engine for under
$1000, install locally for about $500, and be good to go. Or
I'd buy a new car.
Tegger - 14 Dec 2007 01:24 GMT
> Waiving the right to remain silent, "Elle"
> <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> said:
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> What kind of "savings" is that..?

Well, you can pay for that out of the money you saved not making payments
for five months.

And if you take care of the heap, that $2,500 repair will be a decided
rarity. Most repairs will be far, far less than that.

Maintenance, my friend, maintenance. Neglect is /very/ expensive. Neglect
leads to those $2,500 repairs.

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Grumpy AuContraire - 14 Dec 2007 02:59 GMT
> Waiving the right to remain silent, "Elle"
> <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> said:
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> What kind of "savings" is that..?

Now that's the mentality the new car dealers depend on...

JT
Tegger - 14 Dec 2007 01:20 GMT
>> One has to admire those that continue to run their old
>> cars.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> pile of money, I wonder whether buying used and driving it
> into the ground is way more savings.

"Driving it into the ground" actually does work if you limit the
"ground" to ten years and no more.

If you intend on keeping it longer than that, maintain it properly and
forget the "into the ground" thing.

"Into the ground" implies "neglect". And we all know where that goes...

>> Besides, tinkering with your old heap of iron helps to
>> keep you from getting into other trouble...
>
> True here.

Keeps me out of the bingo hall, anyway...

And hey, I just went over 297,000 today. I celebrated with an oil
change, tightening the hose clamps that keep the (rusted) exhaust heat
shields from rattling, and replacing all the rubber exhaust hangers.

I'm such a wild and crazy guy!

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Grumpy AuContraire - 14 Dec 2007 03:13 GMT
>>>One has to admire those that continue to run their old
>>>cars.
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> "Into the ground" implies "neglect". And we all know where that goes...

Even when one does not drive a great deal, the longer you keep your
vehicle the farther ahead of the curve you are. Most manufacturers don't
even expect the average car to last ten years. You can figure on a 10%
attrition rate yearly and by the time ten years comes along, way less
than 50% of that year's model have bit the dust.

The sheeple, most of whom subscribe to "Keepin' up with the Smiths,"
play an important role in the economy. Oddballs such as you and me/Elle
etc. reap the benefits of other people's investments, er, spending.

>>>Besides, tinkering with your old heap of iron helps to
>>>keep you from getting into other trouble...
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> I'm such a wild and crazy guy!

Maybe you should spring for a rattle can paint job on the old gal's 300K
anniversary...

<G>

JT
Tegger - 14 Dec 2007 13:25 GMT
> Even when one does not drive a great deal, the longer you keep your
> vehicle the farther ahead of the curve you are. Most manufacturers
> don't even expect the average car to last ten years. You can figure on
> a 10% attrition rate yearly and by the time ten years comes along, way
> less than 50% of that year's model have bit the dust.

It's interesting that Honda will continue to make and stock parts as
long as there is demand. My local parts guy tells me he still orders
parts for Acuras from the '80s.

A few parts for my car are now discontinued, but most everything I'd
normally need to replace is still in stock.

> The sheeple, most of whom subscribe to "Keepin' up with the Smiths,"
> play an important role in the economy. Oddballs such as you and
> me/Elle etc. reap the benefits of other people's investments, er,
> spending.

I just like the old girl. I like knowing the car's history, and planning
new projects for her. In the spring it's timing belt time again. :^)

Plus, to me anyway, there's a certain coolness that derives from /not/
following the herd.

> Maybe you should spring for a rattle can paint job on the old gal's
> 300K anniversary...
>
> <G>

And cover up all that original paint? No way José.

I did just spend $500 having the hood professionally repainted last
year. I need to have it done every five years or so on account of stone
chips.

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Elle - 14 Dec 2007 15:57 GMT
> Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote
> It's interesting that Honda will continue to make and
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> everything I'd
> normally need to replace is still in stock.

I was going to post that inability to get parts might be the
death knell for my 91 Civic. The fact that slhondaparts.com
stopped selling parts for cars 1991 and earlier is a bad
sign.

>> The sheeple, most of whom subscribe to "Keepin' up with
>> the Smiths,"
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> investments, er,
>> spending.

Plus again all that fun. I apply the principles to stock
investing as well. Old companies purchased at a value;
nothing flashy just reliable and with high mileage from
dividends. :-)

> I just like the old girl. I like knowing the car's
> history, and planning
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> derives from /not/
> following the herd.

... a certain security, a certain je-ne-se-quoi, because the
herd seems increasingly broke. We're ahead of the game.
We're survivors for the long run.

>> Maybe you should spring for a rattle can paint job on the
>> old gal's
>> 300K anniversary...
>>
>> <G>

Plea: Guilty (well for a bit of touchup especially around
those rear tire wells).
Tegger - 14 Dec 2007 19:15 GMT
"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:13m59vjnrc0oid0
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>> A few parts for my car are now discontinued, but most
>> everything I'd
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> stopped selling parts for cars 1991 and earlier is a bad
> sign.

They just won't carry them, that's all. Honda corporate still has most of
them somewhere. I suspect there's only so much work San Leandro is willing
to perform and still do business on the Internet.

Many parts for my car must now be shipped in from the various central
warehouses, usually the Vancouver one in British Columbia and the Montreal
one in Quebec. One part I ordered once had to be shipped directly from
Japan. In addition, Honda Canada will sometimes purchase parts from
American Honda, piggybacking on AH's greater stockpiles.

As long as demand exists, Honda will continue to commission a production
run until the newest car it's for is 20 years old, or even older. Sometimes
they will save up backorders until they figure they've got enough demand to
justify a new run, meaning it may take months for your brand-new part to
arrive.

Mechanical parts normally remain in good supply for a very long time. Honda
will help things along with "rationalization", where they will retool one
part so it fits more models than it originally was meant to fit, extending
parts availability. Distributor rotors and brake pads are good examples of
this phenomenon.

The kind of parts that are outright discontinued and no longer in stock are
usually the sort nobody ever replaces, like the heater intake cover inside
the cowl, and many trim and interior pieces. Body parts are also often
discontinued because there's usually a goodly stock of used parts in
wrecking yards, so nobody buys new ones.

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Elle - 14 Dec 2007 20:38 GMT
"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
Elle wrote
>> I was going to post that inability to get parts might be
>> the
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> and the Montreal
> one in Quebec.

Similarly, Majestic Honda in Rhode Island U.S. has long
cautioned customers that occasionally it will have to have a
part shipped from some central warehouse before shipping to
the customer. So I tend to believe you're right.

> The kind of parts that are outright discontinued and no
> longer in stock are
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> used parts in
> wrecking yards, so nobody buys new ones.

Indeed, the local U-Pull-It in my former neck of the woods
has been a blast. I haven't had to rely on it for critical
repairs so far, but maybe this is because I have stayed on
top of things, for the most part. I do get to do a little
"investigatory work" there, when I am not sure how to get
something off my own car. IOW, the stripped down cars are a
great education. (I am one fun date?)
Tegger - 14 Dec 2007 23:36 GMT
"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:13m5qevct030he5
@corp.supernews.com:

> Indeed, the local U-Pull-It in my former neck of the woods
> has been a blast. I haven't had to rely on it for critical
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> something off my own car. IOW, the stripped down cars are a
> great education. (I am one fun date?)

I have a fantastic U-Pull type yard only a few miles from me. Lots of older
Integras, Accords and Civics in various states of disassembly. And like you
say, a great education in how stuff goes on and comes off.

And some of those crashed cars...Really sobering. The worst are those with
blood on the seats and no more driver's footwell left...

The only problem for me is that most of my parts are in better shape than
the ones on the wrecks, so I usually end up buying new anyway...

When the snow melts and the mud dries up, I should take some pics of this
place.

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Elle - 15 Dec 2007 02:34 GMT
> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote
>> Indeed, the local U-Pull-It in my former neck of the
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> worst are those with
> blood on the seats and no more driver's footwell left...

Ha... when I took a vocational manual transmission course a
few years ago, some of the young fellows and I had a mean
chuckle about coming upon cars like this.

My (forme) local U-Pull-It is amazingly well-organized. One
checks in, paying a buck, and a clerk will print out were
all the cars of a certain year, model, and make are parked.
They change the stock about every three months.

> The only problem for me is that most of my parts are in
> better shape than
> the ones on the wrecks, so I usually end up buying new
> anyway...

I know what you mean. Still.

> When the snow melts and the mud dries up, I should take
> some pics of this
> place.

I am hoping I can find another such yard in my new location.
Still out West, but way more city driving. My miles/gallon
has shot down to 35-38-ish.
Grumpy AuContraire - 15 Dec 2007 21:27 GMT
> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:13m5qevct030he5
> @corp.supernews.com:
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> When the snow melts and the mud dries up, I should take some pics of this
> place.

Let me know if you ever come across an EN1 1300 engine with accessories...

JT
Tegger - 17 Dec 2007 11:43 GMT
> Let me know if you ever come across an EN1 1300 engine with
> accessories...

I don't think they have anything that old, but if I remember, I'll check in
the spring.

Spring seems a long way off right now. We got ten inches of snow yesterday
and I have a six-foot pile of snow at the end of my driveway. When we get
more snow I'm not sure where I'm going to put it...

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Grumpy AuContraire - 17 Dec 2007 14:44 GMT
>>Let me know if you ever come across an EN1 1300 engine with
>>accessories...
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> and I have a six-foot pile of snow at the end of my driveway. When we get
> more snow I'm not sure where I'm going to put it...

It's been cold in Austin too... Freezes for the past couple of mornings
and only goin' to 61° today...

BTW, the EN1 engine was the 1300 without CVCC.

<brrrr>

JT
Grumpy AuContraire - 14 Dec 2007 17:24 GMT
>>Even when one does not drive a great deal, the longer you keep your
>>vehicle the farther ahead of the curve you are. Most manufacturers
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> A few parts for my car are now discontinued, but most everything I'd
> normally need to replace is still in stock.

Yes, Honda almost appears alone in that regard.  I can still order most
parts for the Gen 2 Civics although much better bargains can be had on
eBay for closeouts etc.

>>The sheeple, most of whom subscribe to "Keepin' up with the Smiths,"
>>play an important role in the economy. Oddballs such as you and
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> Plus, to me anyway, there's a certain coolness that derives from /not/
> following the herd.

Knowing what you have is half the battle. The other half is not having a
burning desire to keep up with style.

>>Maybe you should spring for a rattle can paint job on the old gal's
>>300K anniversary...
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> year. I need to have it done every five years or so on account of stone
> chips.
Jim Yanik - 15 Dec 2007 01:02 GMT
>>>Even when one does not drive a great deal, the longer you keep your
>>>vehicle the farther ahead of the curve you are. Most manufacturers
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>> year. I need to have it done every five years or so on account of
>> stone chips.

but when the interior and trim(plastics) begins degrading,and the car has a
million rattles and squeaks,then it's nice to get a new car.
you folks up North don't have the intense sun degradation we have in the
southern US.
OTOH,you have salted roads in the winter....
(although living near the seacoast also corrodes autos.)

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Tegger - 15 Dec 2007 02:02 GMT
>>>>Even when one does not drive a great deal, the longer you keep your
>>>>vehicle the farther ahead of the curve you are. Most manufacturers
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>
> but when the interior and trim(plastics) begins degrading,

Cold weather does have its advantages. Interior is perfect outside of
sun fading and localized salt deposits in the carpets.

> and the car has a million rattles and squeaks,

My own ears are very poor and unreliable. One of them does not work, the
other has a hearing aid stuck in it. For these reasons I cannot tell
what rattles/squeaks my car has or where they come from if present.

My wife, whose hearing is thankfully impeccable, tells me my car has no
rattles or squeaks of any kind, which I find kind of astonishing. There
is plenty of mechanical noise, but no rattles or squeaks. Well, there is
just one sort of a sizzle noise that occasionally comes from the
driver's seat belt upper mount, but that goes away if you put the belt
on or push on the rear quarter trim with your hand.

> then it's nice to get a new car.

New car:
Air bags galore
Side air bag OPDS
OBD-II
Intrusive EVAP system
P0420
Two oxygen sensors
Everything electronic
Even more plastic than I've got.

Old car:
You need to ask?

No thanks. I'll just live with the old-car foibles. Yes, old cars can be
annoying, but new cars contain a fright factor I don't care to get
involved with just now.

Treat the old girl like the old girl she is and you'll be fine. I can't
afford to peel rubber at every stoplight like I used to any more, but
then again I'm not 29 years old any more either...

> you folks up North don't have the intense sun degradation we have in
> the southern US.
> OTOH,you have salted roads in the winter....

Salted roads are worse than a crumbly, sagging headliner and cracked
dash. Believe me.

> (although living near the seacoast also corrodes autos.)

I have a pic somewhere I took two summers ago of a chain link fence at
Redondo Beach. The side facing the ocean is corroded to holes. The other
side still has the zinc coating on it. Amazing.

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Grumpy AuContraire - 15 Dec 2007 21:29 GMT
>>>>Even when one does not drive a great deal, the longer you keep your
>>>>vehicle the farther ahead of the curve you are. Most manufacturers
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> OTOH,you have salted roads in the winter....
> (although living near the seacoast also corrodes autos.)

Ahhh, but I'm in the Austin, TX area and summer heat is hard on
interiors.  But, the '83 still has a perfect dash and the '82 could be
an easy repair.  The seats are another story though..

JT
Tegger - 17 Dec 2007 11:44 GMT
> Ahhh, but I'm in the Austin, TX area and summer heat is hard on
> interiors.  But, the '83 still has a perfect dash and the '82 could be
> an easy repair.  The seats are another story though..

But I'll bet /you/ don't have two feet of snow on your deck...

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Grumpy AuContraire - 17 Dec 2007 14:45 GMT
>>Ahhh, but I'm in the Austin, TX area and summer heat is hard on
>>interiors.  But, the '83 still has a perfect dash and the '82 could be
>>an easy repair.  The seats are another story though..
>
> But I'll bet /you/ don't have two feet of snow on your deck...

No, but I have some nice pix of snows that I had to deal with back in
New England...  Never Again!

JT
dgk - 14 Dec 2007 13:50 GMT
>Maybe you should spring for a rattle can paint job on the old gal's 300K
>anniversary...
>
><G>
>
>JT

Can I just do that? My 91's roof does lack something in shinyness and,
well, consistency. I thought about having a paint job done but it's
expensive and if I were going to spend that amount ($700 or so I
think) I'd rather look into having the shocks done. But spray paint,
that I can handle.

Now that I think about it, there is some sort of paint sprayer in the
garage. I'll have to open the box and see what it is.
Grumpy AuContraire - 14 Dec 2007 17:28 GMT
>>Maybe you should spring for a rattle can paint job on the old gal's 300K
>>anniversary...
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> Now that I think about it, there is some sort of paint sprayer in the
> garage. I'll have to open the box and see what it is.

Just go down to Harbor Freight for the gun/compressor and eBay for cheap
single stage paint.

JT
Jim Yanik - 15 Dec 2007 01:06 GMT
>>>Maybe you should spring for a rattle can paint job on the old gal's
>>>300K anniversary...
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>
> JT

there's always Earl Schieib(sp?) and similar places.

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Tegger - 15 Dec 2007 02:09 GMT
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in news:Xns9A06CC8782087jyanikkuanet@
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> there's always Earl Schieib(sp?) and similar places.

Scheib.

We have them up here too, and they're as shitty as yours.

I swear they use Crayola watercolor paints.

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Grumpy AuContraire - 15 Dec 2007 21:31 GMT
>>>>Maybe you should spring for a rattle can paint job on the old gal's
>>>>300K anniversary...
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>
> there's always Earl Schieib(sp?) and similar places.

Probably the best is MAACO but you gotta watch 'em...  They'll add on
addons if you don't. Oh, and you do the prep to make sure that part is
done right.

JT
observer - 13 Dec 2007 00:52 GMT
> You have to wonder about the talent and intelligence of thieves that are
> stealing 13 and 17 year old cars.

Well, since the demographic interested in those cars is the under 20 lot
then the intelligence of the thieves can explain itself - ever see a kid
with the oversized baseball cap, moon boot running shoes, puffy jacket
and size 50 pants look like anything other than a moron? So stealing a
17 year old car would seem like a good idea.
Jim Yanik - 13 Dec 2007 04:25 GMT
>> You have to wonder about the talent and intelligence of thieves that
>> are stealing 13 and 17 year old cars.
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> jacket and size 50 pants look like anything other than a moron? So
> stealing a 17 year old car would seem like a good idea.

just because the car is old doesn't mean it's parts are not worth
stealing,to the dishonest.

Thieves went to the trouble of stealing the plastic "Acura" and "GS-R"
badges from my 94 GS-R. $60 bucks at the dealers.I didn't replace them.
Personally,I would rather cars not have such badges;they are a PITA to wax
around.I like the "no chrome" look,too.

Then they took the ECU;$800 and 6 weeks wait.
Then they took the whole car. 3 weeks to get paid for the total loss.

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JXStern - 15 Dec 2007 05:40 GMT
>> It might be old news, but the most stolen car in 2006 (US) is the 1995
>> Civic. Number 2 is a 1991 Accord. That's the one I have. Oh joy.
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>expensive, but surely the demand for used 17 year old Honda parts must be
>pretty low.

Few years back had my OEM radio stolen.  Had to have a resale value of
$5.  Broke a window to get it, cost me $50 to replace.  Dumbshit
economics.  Never did replace the radio before I sold the car.

J.
TomP - 15 Dec 2007 16:11 GMT
Yep, that car is worth more in pieces now, than as a driver.

> It might be old news, but the most stolen car in 2006 (US) is the 1995
> Civic. Number 2 is a 1991 Accord. That's the one I have. Oh joy.
>
> http://www.newsday.com/services/newspaper/printedition/wednesday/longisland/ny-l
icars125496908dec12,0,7892563.story

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