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I'm looking to buy a used (but not older) Pilot. Mileage isn't a concern as I only drive ~10 miles per year. Per Consumer Reports, it appears 2006 is much better that 2005. Anyone agree? Thanks > I'm looking to buy a used (but not older) Pilot. Mileage isn't a concern as > I only drive ~10 miles per year. Per Consumer Reports, it appears 2006 is > much better that 2005. Anyone agree? > Thanks If you only drive 10 miles per year, rent a pilot from Enterprise or Hertz for that. jeff > If you only drive 10 miles per year, rent a pilot from Enterprise or Hertz > for that. He'd be better off taking a taxi or a limo. >> If you only drive 10 miles per year, rent a pilot from Enterprise or Hertz >> for that. > > He'd be better off taking a taxi or a limo. Or a bicycle, bus or train. Jeff Sorry, dropped the "k". I drive approx 10K miles per year. Regardless, 06 or 05? Thanks LT >>> If you only drive 10 miles per year, rent a pilot from Enterprise or >>> Hertz for that. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Jeff > Sorry, dropped the "k". I drive approx 10K miles per year. Regardless, 06 > or 05? > Thanks > LT stop kidding yourself and buy an Odyssey minivan the Pilot is just an Odyssey with a SUV-like body need AWD? buy a Sienna AWD Waiving the right to remain silent, ACAR <getoutanpush@yahoo.com> said: >> Sorry, dropped the "k". ÿI drive approx 10K miles per year. ÿRegardles >> s, 06 or 05? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the Pilot is just an Odyssey with a SUV-like body > need AWD? buy a Sienna AWD The Pilot may be built on the Odyssey frame, but the drive train is out of the Acura MDX. Much heavier duty, and the vehicle rides considerably higher and differently. It *IS NOT* an Odyssey.  SignatureLarry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail "A lack of common sense is now considered a disability, with all the privileges that this entails." > > stop kidding yourself and buy an Odyssey minivan > > the Pilot is just an Odyssey with a SUV-like body [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > It *IS NOT* an Odyssey. It's much more an Odyssey than it isn't. The drivetrain is virtually identical save for the awd portion. >> > stop kidding yourself and buy an Odyssey minivan >> > the Pilot is just an Odyssey with a SUV-like body [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > It's much more an Odyssey than it isn't. The drivetrain is virtually > identical save for the awd portion. Thanks for nothing guys...... > Waiving the right to remain silent, ACAR <getoutanpush@yahoo.com> said: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > It *IS NOT* an Odyssey. Having seen both Pilot (wife bought a 2005 pilot) and Odyssey, and after co-worker's Odessey took a rear-end collision that totalled it, I looked into structure of both. (I Previously was a Journeyman body and Fenderman, so even minor changes are apparent) I wouldn't begin to think they are the same vehicle... Perhaps a portion of the drivetrain is similar, but the body structure is definitely different. As indicated above, a Pilot *IS NOT* an Odyssey. I wouln't put them in even similar classes. If you're looking for similarities, the Pilot and the Ridgeline are obvious brothers... I have an '05 that has been flawless. G-Man > I'm looking to buy a used (but not older) Pilot. Mileage isn't a concern > as I only drive ~10 miles per year. Per Consumer Reports, it appears 2006 > is much better that 2005. Anyone agree? > Thanks >From: lorentheodore@hotmail.com (LT) >Per Consumer Reports, it appears 2006 is much better that >2005. How so? What do they say? I have 05 Pilot 5,700 miles on it. The one thing I dont care for is the road noise seems a bit high. Ray > I have 05 Pilot 5,700 miles on it. The one thing I dont care for is the > road noise seems a bit high. > > Ray --------------------------- Ray, it's probably tire noise. http://www.hondasuv.com/members/showthread.php?t=27265&highlight=noise+tires+original Follow the links in the thread. 'Curly' Waiving the right to remain silent, motsco_ <motsco_@interbaun.com> said: >> I have 05 Pilot 5,700 miles on it. The one thing I dont care for is the >> road noise seems a bit high. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Ray, it's probably tire noise. The stock tires and wheels on the 05 are junk. Mine lose air regularly. SignatureLarry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail "A lack of common sense is now considered a disability, with all the privileges that this entails." >From: usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com (Larry in AZ) >--------------------------- >Ray, it's probably tire noise. >The stock tires and wheels on the 05 are junk. >Mine lose air regularly. Hmm I havent had that issue mine seems to be doing real well. Im in Northern IL where temp change usually necessitates doing so but so far so good. Been 2 winters now and aired up one front and one rear, once each. I have Bridgestone Dueler H/T Being in AZ you have different? Ray > Waiving the right to remain silent, motsco_ <motsco_@interbaun.com> said: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > The stock tires and wheels on the 05 are junk. Mine lose air regularly. Though I haven't seen any problem with losing air, I would agree the stock tires are junk, just as are the tires of just about any typical vehicle coming out of the major manufacturers. Unless you are buying a serious "sports/performance" vehicle like Corvette, Camaro, Mustang GT, etc., you will always get junk tires from the factory. Our 2005 pilot has a bit over 60,000 miles on it and the tires are already suffering from hydroplaning problems... OK, so one shouldn't expect stock tires to make 90K miles without issues, but they clearly could for only a relatively few dollars more.... Even the (non stock) tires on my Toyota Tacoma 4wd put out over 90K miles before I couldn't stand the noise (but they still had decent tread and weren't hydroplaning). With the stock Pilot tires, I couldn't belive the way they didn't handle when I recently drove the vehicle in a recent rainstorm. My wife put over 60K miles on the vehicle in less than two years and never complained, but I was all over the lane during a rainstorm the first time I drove it recently. Looking at the tread, there's still reasonable depth there, but the pattern is just not conducive to shedding the rain, so (f course) it's like driving on wet ice when it rains here. (It's not unusual to see a couple of inches in an hour when it rains here, and , as we have no freeways, the roadways aren't exactly designed for high speed use or water runoff). I'm just about ready to put a good set of Michelins on it (which cured every problem I had with the Toyota). --rick On 2/19/08 12:02 AM, in article 47ba70bd$0$16692$4c368faf@roadrunner.com, >> Waiving the right to remain silent, motsco_ <motsco_@interbaun.com> said: >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > rainstorm the first time I drove it recently. Looking at the tread, > there's still reasonable depth there, but the pattern is just not ?> conducive to shedding the rain, so (f course) it's like driving on wet > ice when it rains here. (It's not unusual to see a couple of inches in > an hour when it rains here, and , as we have no freeways, the roadways [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > --rick You actually expect 90k miles on a set of tires? Wow! I routinely get 60k before the tread is down to the wear bars, but I've never seen a tire deliver more than 60k regardless of car make/model or of price or alleged quality of the tires. > You actually expect 90k miles on a set of tires? Wow! I routinely get 60k > before the tread is down to the wear bars, but I've never seen a tire > deliver more than 60k regardless of car make/model or of price or alleged > quality of the tires. 90K is pushing it a little, but I have routinely gotten 75-80K out of all my vehicles' tires. Mostly Michelin, with some Goodyear too. These are not the cheapest Michelins or Goodyears, and I take good care to monitor inflation pressures and do regular rotations. Perhaps that is the difference... Signature"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". On 2/19/08 9:08 AM, in article pan.2008.02.19.15.08.43.542489@moria.lan, >> You actually expect 90k miles on a set of tires? Wow! I routinely get 60k >> before the tread is down to the wear bars, but I've never seen a tire [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > monitor inflation pressures and do regular rotations. Perhaps that is the > difference... I don't think that is the difference. I'm pretty anal retentive about inflation pressures, rotations and alignment. Maybe its just the crappy Texas roads. I have tried both Michelin and Goodyear with similar results. My only complaint about Michelin is that when I have needed warranty consideration for a defective tire, they absolutely do not honor the warranty, which effectively increases the cost even more over the premium they already charge for their tires. Cost of ownership wise, I think practically any other comparable tire ends up being cheaper. >> 90K is pushing it a little, but I have routinely gotten 75-80K out of all >> my vehicles' tires. Mostly Michelin, with some Goodyear too. >> >> These are not the cheapest Michelins or Goodyears, and I take good care to >> monitor inflation pressures and do regular rotations. Perhaps that is the >> difference... > I don't think that is the difference. I'm pretty anal retentive about > inflation pressures, rotations and alignment. Maybe its just the crappy > Texas roads. I have tried both Michelin and Goodyear with similar results. Well, maybe it is the roads, I dunno. Driving habits may affect things some too, of course. I'm not overly abusive with heavy braking and so on, although I don't think I really "baby" the tires, either. > My only complaint about Michelin is that when I have needed warranty > consideration for a defective tire, they absolutely do not honor the > warranty, which effectively increases the cost even more over the > premium they already charge for their tires. Cost of ownership wise, I > think practically any other comparable tire ends up being cheaper. I think the somewhat premium prices for the Michelins are worth it. I have pretty much gone over to using them exclusively. In 30 years of driving, I have never once needed to use a warranty on any tire, regardless of brand. <shrug> Signature"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". > >From: lorentheodore@hotmail.com (LT) >>Per Consumer Reports, it appears 2006 is much better that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Ray ---------------- Consumers rates them close. but rates the 05 lower than the 06 in electrical system and climate control. They do rate the 06 lower for squeaks and rattles.... thx LT > I'm looking to buy a used (but not older) Pilot. Mileage isn't a concern as > I only drive ~10 miles per year. Per Consumer Reports, it appears 2006 is > much better that 2005. Anyone agree? > Thanks Don't know anyone here that's had problems with the 2006, and my wife put over 60,000 miles on the 2005 we bought at year end about two years ago with only a single problem... She described a problem with the air conditioning, where the air wasn't as cold as it used to be, with a corresponding "noise" over near the glovebox. The local dealer (clearly a bunch of Putzes) took the vehicle in and changed out the "cabin filter" which sits behind the glovebox. Of course, no help for the described problem. Once I finally had time to look at it, I found the little motor that moves the arm that controls the air distribution (Not sure what it's called, perhaps the "damper motor") was malfunctioning. When she changed from defroster to air conditioning (central vents) the motor might move the arm a bit, but then it would just jitter between two small steps. I took the motor out and determined there was a "comb" that didn't make contact with a pattern on a gear, and as a result, the motor couldn't verify it's movement.... A minor bend to the comb make it work just fine for about 5000, and has since required another adjustment to keep it working. The local dealer representative (already described as Putz) didn't respond to the original complaint by debugging the actual problem, only swapping in a $100 filter and hoping the problem would go away... As I find this typical with most dealerships (I once worked as a Chrysler line mechanic in the mid 70's and was the troubleshooter for return problems, so this isn't a surprise to me), I'm not particularly surprised, but given everytyhing else on this vehicle has been perfect, it's too bad that dealerships haven't changed in the last 30+ years.... I wouldn't have a qualm with either the 2005 0r 2006, but given you state you drive only 10 miles a year, I'd just call a limo, save the bucks and have a great time instead. Hell, if I drove under a thousand miles a year, I could have a limo at my beck and call for a whole lot less than my insurance costs alone, let alone the cost of purchasing and maintaining a vehicle... (and I live in the sticks, over 25 miles from the nearest "town"...) --Rick |
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