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Car Forum / Honda Cars / February 2008Every Gear Acts Like Neutral
My wife recently purchased an automatic 2001 Honda Civic. We took it to a supposedly very reputable mechanic to check it out during the 30 day trial period. They found nothing wrong. Now it has just stopped working. Whatever gear we put it into, it acts like it is neutral. Put our foot down on the accelerator and it whines but doesn't move. It seems like the engine is not engaging. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Peter. Suggest you take it back to the very reputable mechanic.... > My wife recently purchased an automatic 2001 Honda Civic. We took it > to a supposedly very reputable mechanic to check it out during the 30 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > Peter. >My wife recently purchased an automatic 2001 Honda Civic. We took it >to a supposedly very reputable mechanic to check it out during the 30 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. >Peter. Is the shift linkage really doing anything? > On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:13:39 -0800 (PST), PeterOut > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Is the shift linkage really doing anything? I don't understand the question. Changing between R, N, D, D2, etc. does not make any difference. Thanks, Peter. >> Is the shift linkage really doing anything? > > I don't understand the question. Changing between R, N, D, D2, etc. > does not make any difference. Bob is suggesting that the shift lever is disconnected from the transmission. _Is_ every gear neutral? Perhaps you are still in Park. Can you push the car by hand with the parking brake off?  SignatureChuck > >> Is the shift linkage really doing anything? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > -- > Chuck I just tried the car out again. Park is not neutral. It acts as I would expect "park" to act. It is the only setting that does not act as neutral. Thanks, Peter. >>>> Is the shift linkage really doing anything? >>> I don't understand the question. Changing between R, N, D, D2, etc. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Thanks, > Peter. How does the car act differently between park and the other gears? The only difference between park and neutral is that there is a mechanism that prevents the drive shafts from turning. However, this does indicate that the shift lever is connected to the transmission. Jeff > >>>> Is the shift linkage really doing anything? > >>> I don't understand the question. Changing between R, N, D, D2, etc. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Jeff I guess that's not good. Seems like a problem with the transmission. > My wife recently purchased an automatic 2001 Honda Civic. We took it > to a supposedly very reputable mechanic Instead of reputable mechanic, how about you find a competent mechanic? > My wife recently purchased an automatic 2001 Honda Civic. We took it > to a supposedly very reputable mechanic to check it out during the 30 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > Peter. I guess it's too bad we didn't see this before we bought it :( http://www.carcomplaints.com/Honda/Civic/2001/transmission/transmission_failure.shtml >>My wife recently purchased an automatic 2001 Honda Civic. We took it >>to a supposedly very reputable mechanic to check it out during the 30 [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I guess it's too bad we didn't see this before we bought it :( > http://www.carcomplaints.com/Honda/Civic/2001/transmission/transmission_failure.shtml This tells you no more about your specific problem than you now know. however, a common theme in these complaints is 'went to change back to Honda trannie fluid'. Always run honda trannie fluid in your honda. Or deal with sh.t like this (more often). t >>>My wife recently purchased an automatic 2001 Honda Civic. We took it >>>to a supposedly very reputable mechanic to check it out during the 30 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >This tells you no more about your specific problem than you now know. >I guess it's too bad we didn't see this before we bought it :( >http://www.carcomplaints.com/Honda/Civic/2001/transmission/transmission_failure.shtml Not sure exactly what is the common failure this might refer to. But, Honda has had problems with their autos for many years, replaced many on six-cylinder cars in and out of warranty. My old Acura tranny never really worked right, and I suspect that was very common, but since the car still moved, most people (like me) just lived with it. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if there is a much lower statistical failure of the same tranny technology on lower horsepower cars, and it's probably still very rare into the 100k mile range, but it might be just what you've got. The next question would be whether the seller knew about it ... but who can say? J. > My wife recently purchased an automatic 2001 Honda Civic. We took it > to a supposedly very reputable mechanic to check it out during the 30 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > Peter. If it is still in the 30-day trial period, hire a tow truck and take it back. Jeff > > My wife recently purchased an automatic 2001 Honda Civic. We took it > > to a supposedly very reputable mechanic to check it out during the 30 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Jeff Unfortunately it is not. We thought we were covering our bases by taking it to a supposedly reputable mechanic during that period. They found no problems. Perhaps the next step should be a class action suit but I am not sure how successful that will be since it was far from being a new car. >>> My wife recently purchased an automatic 2001 Honda Civic. We took it >>> to a supposedly very reputable mechanic to check it out during the 30 [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > suit but I am not sure how successful that will be since it was far > from being a new car. And you don't know what the problem is. No mechanic can predict what is going to fail in the future. He can only a.ses the condition when he sees it. Stop pissing that he didn't see the failure was going to happen and take it to someone to diagnose the problem and get it fixed. You aparently don have the ability to troubleshoot yourself xo call a tow truck or maybe you can find a service shop that will pick it up... >> > My wife recently purchased an automatic 2001 Honda Civic. We took it >> > to a supposedly very reputable mechanic to check it out during the 30 [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > suit but I am not sure how successful that will be since it was far > from being a new car. > No mechanic can predict what is going to fail in the future. He can only > a.ses the condition when he sees it. Stop pissing that he didn't see the [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > suit but I am not sure how successful that will be since it was far > > from being a new car. I was thinking of a suit against Honda, not the mechanic. > I was thinking of a suit against Honda, not the mechanic. What would be the basis of your suit against Honda? That the transmission failed in a 7 year old car? Jesus, get a f.cking clue, you ignorant stooge. Signature"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". >> No mechanic can predict what is going to fail in the future. He can only >> a.ses the condition when he sees it. Stop pissing that he didn't see the [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >I was thinking of a suit against Honda, not the mechanic. I hope you're kidding??? What will be your basis? You bought a used car, right ? How does Honda know it was not abused before you bought it? And I think even if you had a case (which I don't think so), I think you will have to know what is wrong with it to begin with inorder to sue Honda .... for example how will you know how much to sue for without knowing what is wrong and the cost to fix it. Good Luck what ever you do. >> No mechanic can predict what is going to fail in the future. He can only >> a.ses the condition when he sees it. Stop pissing that he didn't see the [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >I was thinking of a suit against Honda, not the mechanic. Good luck. It was out of warranty a long, long time ago. BTW, can you prove the car received all the scheduled maintenance. Can you swear it was never abused? If the fluid is *real* clean, it may be because it was just changed before you bought it. If so: A. Maybe they were trying to cover up a problem or B. Maybe they put in non-Honda fluid which doesn't work so good. (Of course, you don't even know who "they" are.) Regardless, it is time to talk to whoever sold it to you. If they are reputable and concerned about their reputation they might help out on the transmission repair. (Probably not if you run in screaming about lawsuits.) > No mechanic can predict what is going to fail in the future. He can only > a.ses the condition when he sees it. Stop pissing that he didn't see the > failure was going to happen and take it to someone to diagnose the problem > and get it fixed. You aparently don have the ability to troubleshoot > yourself xo call a tow truck or maybe you can find a service shop that will > pick it up... However, I recommend that you don't go to a chain like AAMCO. AAMCO and other chain shops have a reputation of fixing every problem with a transmission rebuild. And, before you take it to a particular shop, check them out at the Better Business Bureau to see if they are a better business or not. Jeff >>>> My wife recently purchased an automatic 2001 Honda Civic. We took it >>>> to a supposedly very reputable mechanic to check it out during the 30 [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> suit but I am not sure how successful that will be since it was far >> from being a new car. > > No mechanic can predict what is going to fail in the future. He can only > > a.ses the condition when he sees it. Stop pissing that he didn't see the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Jeff Thanks. I will keep that in mind. >> If it is still in the 30-day trial period, hire a tow truck and take it >> back. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > suit but I am not sure how successful that will be since it was far > from being a new car. Lotsa luck with a class action suit. You're reading too many newspapers or comic books. Learn what is wrong with the car before you start mapping a brilliant legal strategy. The first (and likely the LAST) question you need to answer is "What warranty, if any, did you get with the car?" If your answer is "Uh, well, the bill of sale says "No Warranty, express or implied. Vehicle sold "As-Is"" you are, as they say in the legal biz: SCREWED! With no warranty, you have little recourse against the seller. He has no duty to repair it and you'll find it very difficult to show that he defrauded you when you already took the opportunity to check it out with your own mechanic beforehand. Hell, we don't even know HOW long it's been since you bought the car, "recently" being a relative term. Nor do we know how many miles was on the car and is on the car now. You haven't bothered to let us know of any symptoms which may have been observed before the fatal "everything is neutral." I suspect, like others, that the linkage PROBABLY is connected but from your poor description of the circumstance, it's possible that you don't know what you're talking about when you say PARK works normally. Does PARK just lock the ignition and steering wheel or does it actually engage the parking pawl in the transmission? i.e., when it's in park, can you push the car? When the car is rolling VERY slowly (you push, wife works the shift) and you put it in PARK is there a grabbing and quick stop of the car? If there isn't, it's not going into PARK and the linkage is again suspect. Even if the interlock works in PARK, I "think" there may be a possibility that the interlock could work WITHOUT the linkage to the transmission still being connected and/or properly adjusted. Bottom line: Everyone, especially yourself, needs to have more information before you get beyond having a car that doesn't move. > >> If it is still in the 30-day trial period, hire a tow truck and take it > >> back. [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > Bottom line: Everyone, especially yourself, needs to have more > information before you get beyond having a car that doesn't move. Thank you for your reply. We bought just over a month ago. It had 92839 miles when we bought it and we have since put about 500 miles on it, 275 since it was checked by a mechanic. When my wife drove it yesterday, it was slow getting into gear and then it revved up a bit when it was in gear. When my son drove it today, it gradually got progressively worse but somehow he managed to get home in it. However, when I tried it the gears did not appear to engage at all. The only gear that did not act like neutral was Park. The car was on a slight downward incline and rolled with every setting expect park. When I put it into park, it stopped rolling. My son and I can each bench-press 200 pounds but we were not able to push it up the slight incline when it was in Park with the brake off. >> Bottom line: Everyone, especially yourself, needs to have more >> information before you get beyond having a car that doesn't move. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > bench-press 200 pounds but we were not able to push it up the slight > incline when it was in Park with the brake off. Linkage to the transaxle apparently AOK. Get it to a reputable (if you can find one) transmission shop. Also check at a Honda dealer and see what they will charge you. I had a transmission go out on a Buick and the dealership was able to replace it with a completely remanufactured GM Goodwrench transmission for less $$ than having it rebuilt by one of the chains or independents. The best part of it was that they warranty on the on the Goodwrench tranny was longer than the warranty on the original driveline. (either 50K miles or 60K miles - go figure) Who knows? Honda may offer something similar. Won't hurt to check. And the warranty I asked about and you didn't respond to? That's kinda what I thought. > >> Bottom line: Everyone, especially yourself, needs to have more > >> information before you get beyond having a car that doesn't move. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > And the warranty I asked about and you didn't respond to? That's kinda > what I thought. Yes. We didn't get the warranty which was $1500. We took out a warranty on a Ford Raurus we bought second hand and never had any problems. Thanks, Peter. > Thank you for your reply. We bought just over a month ago. It had > 92839 miles when we bought it and we have since put about 500 miles on [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > bench-press 200 pounds but we were not able to push it up the slight > incline when it was in Park with the brake off. Hate to be the one to inject a bit of reason in all this :) but this sounds quite familiar to what happened when the transmission hydraulic pump went in a friend's '93 Protege. New pump was about $100... replacement was done by a mechanic buddy in his back yard for a case of beer, and it was good to go. Obviously, there's no way to know for sure what's wrong with your car, but it may be something simple (and relatively inexpensive) like this. Before getting too worked up about things, have a COMPETENT transmission shop take a look at it. As others have noted, there likely is nobody to blame for this - it's the kind of thing that can "just happen" on a car of that age, especially if the previous owner didn't maintain it well. There's just no way to tell. | >> If it is still in the 30-day trial period, hire a tow truck and take it | >> back. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] | Warranty, express or implied. Vehicle sold "As-Is"" you are, as they | say in the legal biz: SCREWED! This is sounding like a linkage problem but obviously we cannot accurately diagnosis the problem via cyberspace... and predicting future failure is not much different from reading tea leaves without tearing everything apart. I also don't know how a class could be certified in this case but there still may be legal recourse depending upon where the OP lives. This as some states have their own laws regarding used automobiles ("Lemon Laws"). NY has a used car warranty law that goes up to 90 days and 4,000 miles contingent upon selling price and odometer reading. For the OP it might be worth exploring this issue with State Attorney General's office if the dealer's position is contrary to state law. For example http://www.oag.state.ny.us/consumer/cars/usedqa.html John >> If it is still in the 30-day trial period, hire a tow truck and take it >> back. > Unfortunately it is not. We thought we were covering our bases by > taking it to a supposedly reputable mechanic during that period. They > found no problems. Perhaps the next step should be a class action > suit but I am not sure how successful that will be since it was far > from being a new car. A class action suit? LOL! Not only are you clueless about your car, you're ignorant about how the law works, or even what a "class action" suit is for. Quit f.cking whining, and go get the car fixed. Signature"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". >> > My wife recently purchased an automatic 2001 Honda Civic. We took it >> > to a supposedly very reputable mechanic to check it out during the 30 [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > suit but I am not sure how successful that will be since it was far > from being a new car. A) If the problem is inside the transmission, unless you were willing to pay for a tear down, there wasn't much he/she could do to see if this was going to happen. B) What class action? Are thousands of people affected by this 1 mechanic not predicting a future issue with a 6 year old used car? Or do you mean against Honda who sold this car 6 years ago and weren't the ones responsible for maintaining it? sh.t happens. That's the bottom line. Hopefully it is something minor link the linkage. > B) What class action? Are thousands of people affected by this 1 mechanic > not predicting a future issue with a 6 year old used car? Or do you mean > against Honda who sold this car 6 years ago and weren't the ones responsible > for maintaining it? It was a Honda purchased from a Honda dealer. >> B) What class action? Are thousands of people affected by this 1 >> mechanic [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > It was a Honda purchased from a Honda dealer. That doesn't mean they did all the maintenance nor that the owner reported every issue they ever had with it. You bought a used car. sh.t happens. Good luck with your class action... All our used cars with less than 100,000 have a limited warrenty, and it you had bought it from us there would be scrambling to get it repaired. Check with the dealership. Raise a fuss, perhaps the will step up.. Steve >> B) What class action? Are thousands of people affected by this 1 >> mechanic [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > It was a Honda purchased from a Honda dealer. > My wife recently purchased an automatic 2001 Honda Civic. We took it > to a supposedly very reputable mechanic to check it out during the 30 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > Peter. Check the transmission fluid. If the fluid level gets low enough, you won't get any output from the torque converter. > > My wife recently purchased an automatic 2001 Honda Civic. We took it > > to a supposedly very reputable mechanic to check it out during the 30 [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Check the transmission fluid. If the fluid level gets low enough, you won't > get any output from the torque converter. Thanks. I checked the transmission fluid. Is was clean and in the normal range. Thanks, Peter. >> ... >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Thanks. I checked the transmission fluid. Is was clean and in the > normal range. I just read through this thread. What a lot of usless garbage. Evidently nobody though to check for known problems with this model. There is one. It is exactly what you're experiencing. Your dealer has a copy of TSB 04-036, which covers this problem in ALL '01 Civics. The problem is excessive wear in the 2nd clutch. The cure is to replace the transmission with one which has an upgraded 2nd clutch assembly. Even if you're out of the normal warranty, this particular problem is eligible for "goodwill" warranty coverage. The dealer must get approval from Honda for this. Visit your local Honda dealer. If this car still has its original tranny, you may be in luck. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >>> ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Visit your local Honda dealer. If this car still has its original tranny, > you may be in luck. Odd... the only thing I found on the web that actually had a definition for this TSB (almost every hit I got described the symptoms, but not the actual problem) suggested it was a blown hydraulic pump... which is what I suggested in the first place. Well either way, it's a job for a good shop or dealership... . >> Your dealer has a copy of TSB 04-036, which covers this problem in >> ALL '01 Civics. The problem is excessive wear in the 2nd clutch. The [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > symptoms, but not the actual problem) suggested it was a blown > hydraulic pump... Unless this is a situation unique to the OP's car, it is not a blown pump. The actual TSB document may be found here: http://search.ebscohost.com/ Login with username lib and password access Choose Auto Repair Reference Center from menu at left. Navigate to the OP's car. I keep posting that link, but nobody but me ever looks stuff up there. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > . >>> Your dealer has a copy of TSB 04-036, which covers this problem in [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > I keep posting that link, but nobody but me ever looks stuff up there. but they sure do complain if they don't like the advice they get [and are not paying for]! >> . >>>> Your dealer has a copy of TSB 04-036, which covers this problem in [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > but they sure do complain if they don't like the advice they get [and > are not paying for]! My advice is worth every penny. ;^) SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >>> The actual TSB document may be found here: >>> http://search.ebscohost.com/ [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>> I keep posting that link, but nobody but me ever looks stuff up >>> there. And I apologize for not thanking you earlier for that great link (and credentials<g>) >> but they sure do complain if they don't like the advice they get [and >> are not paying for]! The ones I love (Not!) are the clueless who ask a question and then tell the poster that they're wrong. Plonk! > My advice is worth every penny. ;^) Don't sell yourself short. Sound advice is a rarity. Unquestionably Confused <Who@WhatWhere.com> wrote in news:rzHoj.1389 $R84.491@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net: >>> but they sure do complain if they don't like the advice they get [and >>> are not paying for]! > > The ones I love (Not!) are the clueless who ask a question and then tell > the poster that they're wrong. Plonk! Or the idiots who come here, ask a question, get answered, then just disappear, never giving any sort of followup. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ Tegger http://search.ebscohost.com/ I tried to log in to the site with lib, access. didnt work. Made my own account. Could not find Auto Repair Reference Center. Is that the correct site? G > Tegger > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Is that the correct site? It is, and they do. I just logged in. It's still working. The auto repair reference center is on the left side of the page once you're in. It'll bite you if you don't watch out!<g> > Tegger > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Is that the correct site? Sure is. Just copied and pasted what you have above and it works swimmingly. What's your browser's security setup? What browser? SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > . >>> Your dealer has a copy of TSB 04-036, which covers this problem in [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > I keep posting that link, but nobody but me ever looks stuff up there. I did find another copy of the actual TSB - you were correct, it's for the second clutch. Someone needs to make a search engine that'll actually give me what I WANT, not what I ask for. > I did find another copy of the actual TSB - you were correct, it's for the > second clutch. Someone needs to make a search engine that'll actually > give me what I WANT, not what I ask for. That reminds me of a computer operating system called DWIM. Do What I Meant SignatureBearman Occasionally proud but always happy to be an American. |
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