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Car Forum / Honda Cars / March 20082000 Civic power steering fluid
No problem but mine has never been changed (50K miles) should it be ? (Honda dealer says they can do it for $ 45.00) > No problem but mine has never been changed (50K miles) should it > be ? no. > (Honda dealer says they can do it for $ 45.00) of course. but you're better off giving them the money and having them /not/ change it since that way there will be no contamination and no seal problems. honda power steering systems are good for hundreds of thousands of miles unless monkeyed with. 2000 Civic hatch <rob.fruth@gmail.com> wrote in news:10369a2a-e160-43a9- adf7-01b1d0f1940e@h25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com: > No problem but mine has never been changed (50K miles) should it > be ? (Honda dealer says they can do it for $ 45.00) YES. YES. Do it. Really. Make sure they use genuine Honda PS fluid. This is imperative. $45 is a cheap price to make sure your system will remain good and leak-free for many years hence. Ever priced a new pump? A new rack? They're somewhat more than $45, I can assure you.  SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > 2000 Civic hatch <rob.fruth@gmail.com> wrote in news:10369a2a-e160-43a9- > adf7-01b1d0f1940e@h25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > YES. YES. Do it. Really. what is the service interval specified in the honda manual? > Make sure they use genuine Honda PS fluid. This is > imperative. > > $45 is a cheap price to make sure your system will remain good and > leak-free for many years hence. Ever priced a new pump? A new rack? They're > somewhat more than $45, I can assure you. >> 2000 Civic hatch <rob.fruth@gmail.com> wrote in >> news:10369a2a-e160-43a9- [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > what is the service interval specified in the honda manual? There is no mention of that in the manual. I replace mine anyway. If replacement was $200 I might think twice before recommending replacement. At $45 it's a no-brainer. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > >> 2000 Civic hatch <rob.fr...@gmail.com> wrote in > >> news:10369a2a-e160-43a9- [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQwww.tegger.com/hondafaq/ Thanks for the feedback all, the manual says not needed but the service advisor says YES he'd have it done anyway so you can put me down as a definite maybe (undecided) > Thanks for the feedback all, the manual says not needed > but the > service advisor says YES he'd have it done anyway so you > can put me > down as a definite maybe (undecided) Original owner of a 91 Civic here. Before 2004, the most I had done with its PS system is add a little genuine Honda fluid. I never had any problems. I worked on engine drive parts that required the PS pump's removal then and ended up adding a lot more fluid. I personally do not care if it is "only $45." The Honda newsgroups just do not see reports of the PS system failing unless some yo-yo adds non-Honda PS fluid to it. If you must do this for peace of mind, I would think you could wait at least a few years more. >>> 2000 Civic hatch <rob.fruth@gmail.com> wrote in >>> news:10369a2a-e160-43a9- [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > If replacement was $200 I might think twice before recommending > replacement. At $45 it's a no-brainer. i respectfully disagree for the reasons previously cited. the power steering system has very little mechanical load, zero chemical load, and is spectacularly reliable. the only time it has a problem is if the fluid becomes contaminated, and frankly, even if it's a dealer, the only way it /can/ become contaminated is if the junior oil change clown starts messing with it. dirty fingers, dirty rags, dirty funnels, dirty oil containers - no thanks. >>>> 2000 Civic hatch <rob.fruth@gmail.com> wrote in >>>> news:10369a2a-e160-43a9- [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> There is no mention of that in the manual. oh, forgot to say, that's because the /manufacturer/ knows it's not necessary. >> I replace mine anyway. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > starts messing with it. dirty fingers, dirty rags, dirty funnels, dirty > oil containers - no thanks. snip > oh, forgot to say, that's because the /manufacturer/ knows it's not > necessary. snip Tegger's long term result speaks for itself. Power steering fluid, if left unchanged, will darken. It's picking up dirt from somewhere. Maintenance, however, is pretty simple. Most shops simply use a device to suck fluid out of the reservoir and replace it with fresh fluid. They do nothing more than that. You can do the same (use a turkey baster) just be sure to use OEM power steering fluid. Total cost to you, less than $10. Expect a surprise next Thanksgiving. :-) > Maintenance, however, is pretty simple. Most shops simply > use a device [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Total cost to > you, less than $10. I expect the DIY-ers should be prepared to do a purge of air from the system as well. If there's air in it, one will hear it. I liked and have used the following description to do this air purge: --- With everything back together, and the power steering reservoir full, take the steering wheel and turn it back and forth 50 times. Again, with the power steering reservoir full, get a friend to standby with a bottle of power steering fluid as you start the car. The pump will suck down all the liquid in the reservoir into the system. It is CRITICAL that the pump not suck air into the system. Start the car for 1 second and shut it off. As the level goes down have your friend add to the reservoir. Repeat as needed until the reservoir level is filled appropriately. When done, replace the reservoir cap, start the car, and twist the steering wheel and listen for "squeeling". As long as none is heard, you're fine. Again, it's important to keep air out of the system. http://timingbelt.soben.com/ --- "Elle" <honda.lioness@spamnocox.net> wrote in news:iPTxj.41437$497.24822 @newsfe14.phx: >> Maintenance, however, is pretty simple. Most shops simply >> use a device [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > http://timingbelt.soben.com/ > --- Not allowing the reservoir to ever get empty would prevent "chocolate milk" and save most of the check-and-topup afterwards, but there's no harm to the system in letting it run dry while you change the fluid. I have replaced my fluid several times according to the factory manual's procedure, which does not warn against air in the system. 1) Place front wheels on a section of newspaper (I can't get both wheels off the ground at the same time. The newspaper reduces friction.) 2) Drain the reservoir with turkey baster 3) disconnect the return hose and place the free end into a large container 4) start car turn steering wheel lock to lock two or three times, then re-center shut car off 5) reconnect return hose 6) fill reservoir 7) restart car 8) add fluid as necessary 9) add fluid over the next day or so as air is ejected from the system. All the fluid gets ejected within the first or second lock-to-lock during the drain. The new fluid will be very chocolate-milky at first because of all the air in it, but that's no problem. The air gets ejected all by itself so long as you keep the reservoir topped up. Eventually the level will stabilize and the fluid will be transparent again. That takes maybe a day. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > I have replaced my fluid several times according to the > factory manual's [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > 5) reconnect return hose > 6) fill reservoir I think I would caution here to try very hard no to overfill. As I know you know from previous posts (IIRC), the reservoir's contents slosh around a lot when the pump is running. Overfilling even by a little sloshes some of the stuff out. If air is in the system, it will be more likely to be overfilled, at least temporarily, and the chances of sloshing loss are higher. The FS manual has a strong caution about overfilling as well. Seems to me I did hear noise at least once briefly when I'd "opened" the PS system and was refilling and purging. Just for the anecdotal, DIYer record. > 7) restart car > 8) add fluid as necessary > 9) add fluid over the next day or so as air is ejected > from the system. "Elle" <honda.lioness@spamnocox.net> wrote in news:icWxj.49$CD7.8 @newsfe11.phx: > I think I would caution here to try very hard no to > overfill. As I know you know from previous posts (IIRC), the > reservoir's contents slosh around a lot when the pump is > running. I should check this next time I run the engine. Fluid ejection into the catch container when draining is not that vigorous, but it may appear differently when discharging into a more confined space. > Overfilling even by a little sloshes some of the > stuff out. If air is in the system, it will be more likely > to be overfilled, at least temporarily, and the chances of > sloshing loss are higher. I've never once had a problem with overfilling. The problem I run into is UNDERfilling, which results when the air exits the fluid, causing its volume to drop. This is why there is need to check and top up as necessary after a fluid change done the shop manual's way. I add fluid to the reservoir up to the full mark, wait for it to drop, then add more until it doesn't drop any more. Simple. > The FS manual has a strong caution about overfilling as > well. Mine just says "CAUTION: Do not overfill the reservoir beyond the full mark". As a contrast, the warning against the wrong fluid reads: "CAUTION: Use only GENUINE HONDA Power Steering Fluid...Using other fluids...will damage the system". Now THAT I"d call a "strong" caution. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > "Elle" <honda.lioness@spamnocox.net> wrote in news:icWxj.49$CD7.8 > @newsfe11.phx: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> to be overfilled, at least temporarily, and the chances of >> sloshing loss are higher. I just checked for fluid movement today. When cold at idle, there was no movement of the fluid at all with the engine running. When hot, at idle or when revved, there was the barest trace of surface rippling. It's the sort of rippling you get on the surface of a cup of coffee when somebody walks past the table it's sitting on. Certainly there is no trace of sloshing or other vigorous fluid action. My fluid level is right up to the upper mark on the side of the reservoir. I'm not going to try overfilling the reservoir, of course, but I'm left wondering how high you'd have to overfill it before you ended up with sloshing. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > Certainly there is no trace of sloshing or other vigorous > fluid action. We observe different things then for properly filled reservoirs. I am not trying to be, ya know, combative. Just saying what my observation is for the archives. "Elle" <honda.lioness@spamnocox.net> wrote in news:8RZyj.34569$kp6.6251 @newsfe07.phx: >> Certainly there is no trace of sloshing or other vigorous >> fluid action. > > We observe different things then for properly filled > reservoirs. I am not trying to be, ya know, combative. Just > saying what my observation is for the archives. All I can tell is what I saw with my own eyes today. I can make a video of it, if you like. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ Hey Tegger, no video necessary :-). I certainly believe you observed no sloshing. Something's different--maybe something with the cars--in our experiences, that's all. I thought I saw other reports here over the years reporting on the sloshing. But it's not important enough to me to google on. > All I can tell is what I saw with my own eyes today. > > I can make a video of it, if you like. "Elle" <honda.lioness@spamnocox.net> wrote in news:Qz_yj.59393$ov5.46263 @newsfe15.phx: > Hey Tegger, no video necessary :-). I certainly believe you > observed no sloshing. Something's different--maybe something > with the cars--in our experiences, that's all. I thought I > saw other reports here over the years reporting on the > sloshing. But it's not important enough to me to google on. I'm going to make a video on the weekend anyway. Or sooner. I will rev the engine to about 5,000rpm as I show the action of the fluid in the reservoir. This will get posted to the Misc directory on my site. Plus -- I will temporarily overfill the reservoir to see what the action is. I figure a few seconds of overfill can't possibly harm anything except maybe my shirt. Be there or be square! SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > snip >> oh, forgot to say, that's because the /manufacturer/ knows it's not [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Tegger's long term result speaks for itself. no they don't. your argument is like saying that because elephants hate cheese, the cheese in my refrigerator is responsible for the fact that my home has never been invaded by them. in reality of course, the fact that there are no elephants in marin county, ca., is responsible - the cheese is a red herring. > Power steering fluid, if left unchanged, will darken. It's picking up > dirt from somewhere. seal rubber. any hydraulic system does that. you're not going to change the steering rack because of that are you? > Maintenance, however, is pretty simple. Most shops simply use a device > to suck fluid out of the reservoir and replace it with fresh fluid. > They do nothing more than that. You can do the same (use a turkey > baster) just be sure to use OEM power steering fluid. Total cost to > you, less than $10. Expect a surprise next Thanksgiving. :-) what percentage of the fluid do you think you manage to change like this? > No problem but mine has never been changed (50K miles) should it > be ? (Honda dealer says they can do it for $ 45.00) Did you see the this as a maintenance item in your service schedule? Did the dealer say it should be done? Jeff
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