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Car Forum / Honda Cars / May 20081988 CRX Si
All Sadly my unmodified car won't pass inspection until it gets $2500 worth of body work done to its rocker panels; nevertheless,the car runs great! I feel it's worth more than the $50 the guy at the body shop is offering me to unload it. What would you do? >All > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >What would you do? If you did $2500 worth of work to the car would the car be worth more than $2550? If yes do the work, but I don't think so. With a dealer retail of less than $1000 it does not pay to do the work. >>All >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > than $2550? If yes do the work, but I don't think so. With a dealer > retail of less than $1000 it does not pay to do the work. the true value is what it would cost to obtain another "great running" car in similar condition,but that would pass inspection. Why can't you pop-rivet on some new rocker panels yourself? cut away as much of the rusty metal as possible,sand and paint what's left,then rivet the new panels to the remaining sheet metal. Then paint them to match. Get underneath and spray on some undercoating.  SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net > All > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > What would you do? If you spend the $2500, it'll either be worth $1,000 or be priceless (to you)...... And pop-riveting on new sheetmetal?? I'm assuming the rockers are structural, so that doesn't sound like a real good solution. OTOH, there aren't any more CRX's being made, and they are cool little cars. You haven't said anything about the rest of the car's condition. If you spend the $2500 and it's not in great shape, it could be worth it to a ricer. Dan D '07 Ody EX Central NJ USA I think any solution here is going to be an annoyance, so you have to be motivated. Honda-tech.com has a fair amount of discussion of folks trying to fix these panels with riveting, various putties and epoxies, and welding. See for example: http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=881836&page=1 . OTOH, the rocker panel areas may be structurally unsound (may fail when a jack is placed underneath). Hence, as you probably know, the inspection failure. I am not so sure a cheap fix would let me sleep at night, besides. To get more money for it, I think your best option would be Ebay. I see a lot of CRX's going for parts there, typically for a few hundred dollars. Certainly shop around there for some idea of what you might be able to make on the car. You could also considering purchasing a "shell" for yourself (body only; no engine) and swapping your CRX's engine into it. Shells seem to go for under a thousand dollars. Of course, finding a buyer or seller near you is always tricky. Still, the turnover seems high at Ebay. Check your yellow pages for auto wreckers, then call and see if they have a lot of imports. See how much they would give you for your car. Or: I often run into a few CRXs (tops) at any large wrecker yard. Chances of finding a complete shell are slim-to-none. But you might be able to coordinate with the body shop to cut out parts of an old shell and use them on your CRX. Again, see honda-tech.com for examples. For the record, how many miles are on your CRX? Updates welcome! As others say, these are popular little cars. > Sadly my unmodified car won't pass inspection until it > gets $2500 worth of body work done to its rocker panels; [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What would you do? > I think any solution here is going to be an annoyance, so > you have to be motivated. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > probably know, the inspection failure. I am not so sure a > cheap fix would let me sleep at night, besides. good points.I was thinking of some states that fail cars if they have rust holes in the bodywork. Even patching them with metal tape gets them past the inspection. I know Florida and the southern states still have a lot of CRX's running around. We don't get much rust here,unless you live near the seashore. Here,the paint,plastic and cloth goes first. SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net > "Elle" <honda.lioness@spamnocox.net> wrote >> I think any solution here is going to be an annoyance, so [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > gets them past > the inspection. I read you about how little fixes to improve appearance are possible. Yet right now, for example, I do have concerns about the jacking points on my own 1991 Civic. It was driven in the Northern U.S. for about half its life, and the jack points are corroded/ing. I have to start getting used to jacking at the control arms or front and rear points. > I know Florida and the southern states still have a lot of > CRX's running > around. We don't get much rust here,unless you live near > the seashore. > Here,the paint,plastic and cloth goes first. I am annoyed that my Civic's sills (the equivalent to rocker panels?) cannot really be replaced properly except by welding. Tegger talked to me about it, along with some posts at Honda-tech.com . So I contemplate (dream, really) of buying a shell and switching engines or similar. (Plus I have this wild idea that I must switch at least one engine out before I die or get too old to be able to handle it physically, or my life will be incomplete. :-)) ) I think if I happen upon something at a wrecker yard or in the local used car ads, I might go for it. 'Cause I like knowing my Honda's engine, suspension, brakes, and electrical system so well. It seems a pretty easy car to keep running. Knock on wood one day the engine (rings first?) will fail. >> "Elle" <honda.lioness@spamnocox.net> wrote >>> I think any solution here is going to be an annoyance, so [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > out before I die or get too old to be able to handle it > physically, or my life will be incomplete. :-)) ) My very first car was built from two Triumph Heralds(4 seat 2dr sedan),one whose motor had broken a rod and went thru the block.I had to swap the motor with Dad's help and guidance,and then the driver's door,convertible top and trunk lid. 1200cc's and slower than a VW,but a fun car that I drove all the way out to Denver(from Buffalo).It really didn't have enough power for the mountains and high altitude of Denver.USAF auto hobby shops were a valued asset! I've also pulled motors on a Cadillac and an English Ford Anglia. SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net > My very first car was built from two Triumph Heralds(4 > seat 2dr sedan),one [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > and high altitude of Denver.USAF auto hobby shops were a > valued asset! Ha, a USAF auto hobby shop is what I need. :-) I shall continue to consider swapping engines/bodies. >>My very first car was built from two Triumph Heralds(4 >>seat 2dr sedan),one [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > I shall continue to consider swapping engines/bodies. Buy a high mileage Texas car, drive it to your location and use your's as a parts car... JT >>> My very first car was built from two Triumph Heralds(4 seat 2dr >>> sedan),one [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > JT or california - couldn't agree more! you have to go a /loooong/ way to find anything that handles as well as a crx, even for a /lot/ more money. i think it's worth a little effort. >>>> My very first car was built from two Triumph Heralds(4 seat 2dr >>>> sedan),one [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > find anything that handles as well as a crx, even for a /lot/ more > money. i think it's worth a little effort. The only drawback with Texas cars are usually the interior is shot including the dash. OTOH, the dash in most rust belt cars is the only component that may be still perfect! I'll never deal with a rust belt car again... Never! JT >> I shall continue to consider swapping engines/bodies. > > Buy a high mileage Texas car, drive it to your location > and use your's as a parts car... I have indeed noted a number of Civics for sale in Texas in the recent past, and it is indeed in the realm of possibility for a purchase. Perhaps my next major tool purchase will be an engine crane. Looks like Ebay has new ones, but shipping/handling is more expensive than the basic price for most. >>> I shall continue to consider swapping engines/bodies. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > ones, but shipping/handling is more expensive than the basic > price for most. perhaps RENT one? A crane isn't something you would use very often....unless you're planning on doing a lot of motor swaps.;-) SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net > "Elle" <honda.lioness@spamnocox.net> wrote in > news:QB4Lj.9489$CO2.8378@newsfe12.phx: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > you're planning > on doing a lot of motor swaps.;-) Good suggestion, though I do technical/engineering work with what I think is inordinate preparation and care, plus knowing me, I'd probably want to repeat the procedure a few times to master it (more or less). None of that "See it, do it, teach it" bullshit from medicine for me and my beloved Honda. ;-) So the rental fees might add up to the cost of purchasing one. I will look for well cared for used ones, perhaps. I should probably find myself a shell first. No doubt I will have a long report on this if and when it happens. So far it remains only a dream. Fact is reports here show I have been contemplating replacing (one way or another) my 91 Civic for something like five years or more. Love the engine; annoyed with the body etc. rust. :-) > >> I shall continue to consider swapping engines/bodies. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the recent past, and it is indeed in the realm of > possibility for a purchase. Well, speaking of available CRXes in Texas, there's this one, but you probably wouldn't want to use it for a parts car: http://www.chemikdesigns.com/crx/ ;-) My own 1990 CRX Si is, I fear, bound for retirement - as of last week, it has been supplanted by an electron blue pearl 2000 Civic Si with only 53K miles. Not sure if I can bring myself to sell the CRX after 15 years, but at this point it's almost a project car that was masquerading as a daily driver, and I don't really have the time or space for such a project. Dave >> >> I shall continue to consider swapping engines/bodies. >> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > http://www.chemikdesigns.com/crx/ Ha, ya right. :-) Around half the CRX's on Ebay at any given time are highly modified--different engine, muffler, whatever. I wish the used car sites would break down cars by "riced" vs. "OEM (or maybe Autozone) parts only." My upper limit for a parts car is $1500, as well. My interest is fuel economy, not racing like a 17-year-old teenage boy. :-) > ;-) > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > space for such a > project. Happy "new" Civic! >>>>>I shall continue to consider swapping engines/bodies. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Happy "new" Civic! Watch Craig's list for cars in the Austin/San Antonio metro area. Avoid vehicles from Houston. Other cities could include DFW and maybe El Paso. You probably could by a drivable shell to take back to you current location for a swap out. Might even be able to do it piecemeal so that nothing is tied up for too long. JT (Who will never own a new car) > Watch Craig's list for cars in the Austin/San Antonio metro area. Avoid > vehicles from Houston. Other cities could include DFW and maybe El Paso. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > (Who will never own a new car) also watch out for flood-damaged cars! SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > also watch out for flood-damaged cars! Especially from New Orleans! OTOH, I've seen (flash) fresh water flood cars revived after sitting for ten years... As long as they weren't totally submerged. JT >> >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Especially from New Orleans! and the whole western Gulf coast.Katrina effects were fairly widespread. > OTOH, I've seen (flash) fresh water flood cars revived after sitting > for ten years... As long as they weren't totally submerged. > > JT yeah,but if they get moldy....you'll not get the odor out,and it could be a health risk. SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net >>> >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > yeah,but if they get moldy....you'll not get the odor out,and it could be a > health risk. i think that mold "health risk" stuff is over-blown. it's ubiquitous in nature. and you should have seen some of the fungal cultures growing in an ex gf's kitchen. bottom line: /fear/ of mold is highly profitable. actual danger? how many deciduous forests have you walked through and died? there, mold exists by the ton, not microgram. spray some lysol and open a window if you don't like the smell. > bottom line: /fear/ of mold is highly profitable. actual danger? how > many deciduous forests have you walked through and died? there, mold > exists by the ton, not microgram. It's an open forest, not a closed-in car environment. Altogether different. > spray some lysol and open a window if you don't like the smell. Damn, you're a dumb f.ck. Signature"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org >> bottom line: /fear/ of mold is highly profitable. actual danger? how >> many deciduous forests have you walked through and died? there, mold >> exists by the ton, not microgram. > > It's an open forest, not a closed-in car environment. Altogether > different. analyze the spore density - it's not different at all. >> spray some lysol and open a window if you don't like the smell. > > Damn, you're a dumb f.ck. so the guy that doesn't know what he's talking about is /not/ dumb? that's novel. >>bottom line: /fear/ of mold is highly profitable. actual danger? how >>many deciduous forests have you walked through and died? there, mold [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Damn, you're a dumb f.ck. I wouldn't be so sure. Mold has been around for zillions of years and perhaps the biggest issue is that with all the "advances" in medicine, we've become a dumbed down species less resistant to ambient bacteria etc. But, I would mix some "new car smell" deoderizer along with the Lysol.. JT >>>> >>>> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > exists by the ton, not microgram. spray some lysol and open a window if > you don't like the smell. A friend who likes older big cars found a late 1970's Lincoln at the same place I bought my '83 Civic FE. It had gotten its whole front end dunked during a flash flood about ten years earlier. He had the car towed then replaced the starter, installed a new battery and removed the plugs. Motor spun right over (spraying him with a lot of water from the plug holes). He put on a rebuilt carb, changed the oil/filter and rigged a temporary fuel tank/line directly to the carb. Also put in new plugs. Damned thing started right up and within a minute or two was purrin' like a cat. JT > Watch Craig's list for cars in the Austin/San Antonio metro area. Avoid > vehicles from Houston. Other cities could include DFW and maybe El Paso. Before I bought the "new" Civic, I was searching the Houston Craigslist several times a day for "civic si" and "crx". One day I ran across an '88 CRX Si that sounded too good to be true, and you know what they say about deals like that. It was represented to be in immaculate condition, one owner, everything worked, and the pics that were posted indicated that the underhood area was clean enough to eat off of. The asking price was $2500. Figuring I had nothing to lose, I emailed the poster. After a day or two, I assumed someone had beaten me to it, then I got the following reply: "The car is located in Detroit MI and it is in perfect condition, with no need for additional repairs, no scratches, dings, special marks whatsoever. It has 130k original miles and 40k engine rebuilt miles and the vin# is [deleted] .It has a clear title ready to be signed and notarized on your name. [...] The price is $2,500 including shipping costs anywhere in the continental US. There are no other costs regarding this transaction. We will make this deal only under World Escrow protection because is more safe. If you already decided to buy my car please send me your full name and your full address and I will start a transaction with them. The car will be shipped insured to your location with DAS and you will have 5 days for inspection." Uh, yeah. I'll get right on that, as soon as I get the wire transfer this nice man in Nigeria is sending me for helping him out. Dave > Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com says... > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > "The car is located in Detroit MI and it is in perfect > condition, Thanks for the caveat. JT, I sure did check my local Craigslist and there actually are a fair number of possibilities (especially shell wise), at least, if the phone numbers are any guide. Maybe I should not be surprised, given the relative ease of use Craigs List offers? Dunno; I am not really familiar with it yet. > JT, I sure did check my local Craigslist and there actually > are a fair number of possibilities (especially shell wise), > at least, if the phone numbers are any guide. Maybe I should > not be surprised, given the relative ease of use Craigs List > offers? Dunno; I am not really familiar with it yet. Craig's List is one of the major driving factors causing great pain to main line newspapers. Why pay for a tiny classified ad when you can post (with pictures) for free on Craig's... Also, with the economy headed for the toilet, more bargains will be popping up. JT >>Watch Craig's list for cars in the Austin/San Antonio metro area. Avoid >>vehicles from Houston. Other cities could include DFW and maybe El Paso. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Dave Yet, another varient of the textbook Nigerian scam... <G> JT >>Watch Craig's list for cars in the Austin/San Antonio metro area. Avoid >>vehicles from Houston. Other cities could include DFW and maybe El Paso. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Dave Here's a couple of CRX models that might be worth pusueing in the SF Bay area. http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/car/633084780.html http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/car/630991872.html Of course, it pays if you can have someone look at it first! JT > Sadly my unmodified car won't pass inspection until it gets $2500 worth > of body work done to its rocker panels; nevertheless,the car runs great! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What would you do? Gimme a friggin break. The f.cking piece of sh.t car is 20 goddam years old, dimwit! Get rid of it and drive something decent fer chrissakes. Take the $50 before he reduces it to $25. Signature"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org >> Sadly my unmodified car won't pass inspection until it gets $2500 worth >> of body work done to its rocker panels; nevertheless,the car runs great! [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Take the $50 before he reduces it to $25. troll. > All > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > What would you do? The car is not modified at all. My wife is the original owner and she bought it new. The car only has 120,000 miles on it. It's a 5 speed. Engine hardly ever takes oil. I've had it changed regularly. I also have a comprehensive maintenance list. The drivers side seat and the fold up part in back are bad but the rest is OK for a 20 year old car. I still have the top for the back and I replaced the back floor area under the carpet with a new cover about two years ago. The stereo is not factory. It sucks now but I never cared about that anyhow. I now have pics of the body rust. Honestly to me, it didn't look that bad but I'm not an expert. I do trust the bodyshop guy though and he pointed out two places of concern: 1. driver's side lower door (I forgot what he called it) area where two bolts hold the door onto the body. 2. rear underside left rocker panel where jack support is. He says both are ready to fail. I even have two doors to replace the original ones on now. If it weren't for the low mileage and the notion that someone out there has the skill, tools and place to do all the work, I'd trash it for the 50 bucks. BUT, I think it's worth more than that to someone. I just want to be sure someone gets it that CAN fix it. It's a great car. I'm asking $150 or best offer. If you want pics, let me know. das216@comcast.net Dave >> All >> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Dave Buy a higher mileage similar model for either eBay or Craig's list that does not come from the rust belt. Your car will then become a parts car. A CRX is worth keeping and this would be the best course of action in your case. JT I sold it to a guy who is a master welder who bought cars far worse than mine for a lot more. Got $500 for it and we're keeping in touch. Perhaps when he fixes it, I can buy it back. It is a great car and I'll miss it. |
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