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Car Forum / Honda Cars / May 2008New 2008 Civic MPG
Hi; We are considering buying a 2008 civic. Could you please tell me the gas mileage you get for city driving? My wife drives mostly around town and is hoping for about 30 mpg. The sticker EPA Estimate reads 25, so I will probably get something else if that is all it gets. I was told the EPA estimates have changed and it will probably get better than that, but guess who told me that...yeah ...the salesman:-) We are looking at the LX model with a 4 cylinder 1.8 engine. Thanks for any knowledge. Pat > Hi; > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Thanks for any knowledge. > Pat I don't have one but alot will depend on driving style (jack rabbit starts, low tire pressure etc.) really eat up gas (MPG) >> Hi; >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I don't have one but alot will depend on driving style (jack rabbit > starts, low tire pressure etc.) really eat up gas (MPG) Low tire pressure isn't really driving style. However, where one drives in the city makes a big difference, too. I suspect that cars get better mileage around downtown Allentown PA than downtown New York. And of course, Jack Rabbit starts do make a big difference. You might consider the Honda Civic Hybrid. It is only about $1300 more than the Honda Civic Si and gets 40 mph city and 45 mph highway. Jeff >>> Hi; >>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Jeff The new EPA fuel economy estimates are pretty close to what owner's are getting. Check out the government sponsored web site at fueleconomy.gov. From what I've read, few cars get 30 mpg in town. >>>> Hi; >>>> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > getting. Check out the government sponsored web site at > fueleconomy.gov. From what I've read, few cars get 30 mpg in town. Except Escape, Prius, Civic and other hybrids. Oops, sorry. The Prius and Civic hybrids don't get 30 mpg. They get 40. Jeff >>>>> Hi; >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Jeff The smart fortwo gets 33 in city. Of course many or most of the hybrids get 40 mpg in the city. As you probably already know, their mileage is better in city than on the highway. On a personal note, my 1975 Honda Civic, bough new during the last gas crunch, got 30 mpg no matter where I drove it. Went looking for a Toyota Prius last weekend and the dealer didn't even have a demo to test drive. It's good to see that people are getting serious about saving gas. >>>>>> Hi; >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > get 40 mpg in the city. As you probably already know, their mileage is > better in city than on the highway. Actually, I know it depends on the model. The Honda Civic Hybrid is rated at 40 MPG city, 45 MPG highway. > On a personal note, my 1975 Honda Civic, bough new during the last gas > crunch, got 30 mpg no matter where I drove it. Went looking for a > Toyota Prius last weekend and the dealer didn't even have a demo to test > drive. It's good to see that people are getting serious about saving gas. They're not getting serious about saving gas. They are getting serious about saving money. Jeff > > Oops, sorry. The Prius and Civic hybrids don't get 30 mpg. They get 40. > > > > Jeff > > The smart fortwo gets 33 in city. Yeah. And unless you live in a old European town or village where parking space is at a premium or the roads date back to the 1500s when they were horse tracks and have never been expanded, the smart fortwo makes little sense. Which means it makes little sense here in the US. $15,500 for a smart fortwo equipped similarly to a base Prius, which is $21,500. The smart gets 33mpg in city, the Prius gets 45mpg in city. It's not a great feature comparison; for example, there's no auto trans available in the smart. That's a negative. And more importantly, the Prius can carry 4-5 people while getting that same 45mpg. And you can use the Prius for road trips. The smart? On a highway trip? Yeah, right. At $4/gallon for gas, the 33mpg smart costs 12.12 cents/mile in gas. The 45mpg Prius fuel cost is 8.9 cents. Call it a 3 cent difference. At $5/gallon for gas, it goes to a 4 cent difference. And so on. So: the Prius has a lower fuel cost per mile, carries more people, has an automatic trans (that's really very simple and sweet and MUCH more reliable than a traditional hydraulic auto trans), and can go on the highway for long trips. Hmmmm. So the smart fortwo, here in the US, is just a big, expensive scooter. I guess if you have the cash for a spare two seat scooter and have the garage space for an occasional toy, that's fine. Crowded cities like New York and San Francisco would do well to create an infrastructure that accommodates smart cars--smaller and cheaper parking spaces, lower registration fees, whatever--that would let people choose a smart (or similar) as the car they own for in and around town, leaving the road trips to larger rentals. But outside the crowded cities, for things like saving fuel and lowering emissions, the smart doesn't make any sense when the Prius is out there. Even if it's just you and no one else, the Prius saves more fuel and emits less pollution per mile--and it gives you one car that does this both in town and on the highway, letting you own one car that gives you the flexibility of both in town and on the road use, not to mention the flexibility of taking another couple out to dinner with you. I mean, come on--how does the smart save fuel and emissions if more than two of you are going someplace? The third person has to drive his own car, using even more fuel and emitting even more pollution? What does THAT do to the EFFECTIVE fuel mileage for the smart? (We make fun of the "California car pool" for a reason...) Waiving the right to remain silent, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> said: > So the smart fortwo, here in the US, is just a big, expensive scooter. > I guess if you have the cash for a spare two seat scooter and have the > garage space for an occasional toy, that's fine. They DO NOT offer air conditioners. During our 5 months of above 90 degree temperatures here, they'd be useless. A Toyota Corolla 1.8 automatic with AC gets 26 mpg/35 mpg, costs about the same, and will easily seat four adults.  SignatureLarry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail "A lack of common sense is now considered a disability, with all the privileges that this entails." > > So the smart fortwo, here in the US, is just a big, expensive scooter. > > I guess if you have the cash for a spare two seat scooter and have the > > garage space for an occasional toy, that's fine. > > They DO NOT offer air conditioners. During our 5 months of above 90 degree > temperatures here, they'd be useless. Ah, I forgot. Indeed. So you can have 33mpg with no AC, or 45mpg WITH AC. Fascinating. And yet, people still buy them. Waiving the right to remain silent, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> said: >> > So the smart fortwo, here in the US, is just a big, expensive >> > scooter. I guess if you have the cash for a spare two seat scooter [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Fascinating. And yet, people still buy them. Most people don't really need AC. SignatureLarry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail "A lack of common sense is now considered a disability, with all the privileges that this entails." > > Ah, I forgot. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Most people don't really need AC. Virtually everyone needs AC. It's required to keep the windows free of moisture during wet weather, even if that weather isn't hot. Waiving the right to remain silent, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> said: >> > Ah, I forgot. >> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Virtually everyone needs AC. It's required to keep the windows free of > moisture during wet weather, even if that weather isn't hot. I've had several cars without AC, and the defroster blowing has usually been good enough. I haven't lived in extremely humid areas, so that might make a difference... SignatureLarry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail "A lack of common sense is now considered a disability, with all the privileges that this entails." Sorry, YOU may not need a/c, I do......I have 4 months of summer in the 80's & 90's, 8 months of winter, spring & fall but I refuse to drive a uncomfortable car, I use my a/c even when it is cold, it keeps ALL the windows clear. But I guess since it is the day for generalizations I can say, not everyone needs a heater, after all, it is only below 10 here a couple months out of the year. > Waiving the right to remain silent, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" > <elmop@nastydesigns.com> said: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Most people don't really need AC. > Of course many or most of the hybrids > get 40 mpg in the city. As you probably already know, their mileage is > better in city than on the highway. Nope. Driving the Prius the same way I've driven every car for the last 30 years, with the climate control set to keep ME comfortable, the Prius gives 45mpg in the city and around 50mpg on the highway. Colder weather will see lower numbers, but colder weather will also cause other cars to see lower numbers, too--presumably by the same percentage. The thought originally was that the savings from a hybrid drivetrain would be in the city, and that may be for the Honda's drivetrain, but it certainly isn't for the Prius. The Prius is like every other car--get it on the highway, set the cruise control, and see better mileage than you see in the city. >> Of course many or most of the hybrids >> get 40 mpg in the city. As you probably already know, their mileage is [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > cause other cars to see lower numbers, too--presumably by the same > percentage. It may be by a higher percentage. I believe the Prius has to have its motor running more because the batteries don't store energy as well when they are cold (the voltage is lower) and the engine has to be on to give heat. > The thought originally was that the savings from a hybrid drivetrain > would be in the city, and that may be for the Honda's drivetrain, but it > certainly isn't for the Prius. While you are correct that many (but not all) hybrid cars and trucks still have better highway mileage, more fuel is saved in the city. If a car gets 20 city/ 30 highway without a hybrid system and 30/35 with a hybrid system, the car will save 17 gallons of gas every thousand miles driven in the city, but only about 3 gallons every 1000 miles driven on the highway. > The Prius is like every other car Some hybrids still get better city mileage than highway mileage, like the Ford Escape and Mazda Tribute. Of course, these are trucks, not cars. Jeff > --get > it on the highway, set the cruise control, and see better mileage than > you see in the city. > On a personal note, my 1975 Honda Civic, bough new during the last gas > crunch, got 30 mpg no matter where I drove it. Yep. I had a bunch of 79 Civics. Great cars. Manual choke worked great. And you couldn't kill the engines. Know when it's time to add oil? When you take a hard right turn and the light flickers on the dash. Oil changes? Naw, the car does that itself. Just add as needed. The front frame member, though, now that was another matter. At least Honda owned up to it and replaced it free of charge, even years later. THEY understood that was cheaper than paying for the lawsuits and getting a bad rep. Same with the gas tanks that rusted underneath the metal straps. >>On a personal note, my 1975 Honda Civic, bough new during the last gas >>crunch, got 30 mpg no matter where I drove it. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Same with the gas tanks that rusted underneath the metal straps. My first Honda was a '76 Civic CVCC that I bought from a friend who bought it new. It had 88K on the odometer when I got it and it survived until it hit 160K a few years later in '87 when the rust was truly becoming a safety issue. It got a solid 30mpg around town and could do about 35mpg on the highway. When I put my "reconditioned" '82 Gen 2 Civic on the road, I have been getting a consistent 40mpg in mixed driving. I do notice a slight increase when I dropped my average speed to 60mph as opposed to 70mph and a little more. If I were to put the original engine back in, I expect that I would get closer to the range that Honda claimed for the FE models, (42 city and 55 highway). I base this on a friend's experience who bought an '82 FE, loaded it up with personal possessions and headed to California. He average around 50 mpg. So, as long as my little beater keeps on tickin'... I'm gonna avoid the banker that rides in so many back seats.. <G> JT Waiving the right to remain silent, Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> said: > My first Honda was a '76 Civic CVCC that I bought from a friend who > bought it new. It had 88K on the odometer when I got it and it survived > until it hit 160K a few years later in '87 when the rust was truly > becoming a safety issue. > > It got a solid 30mpg around town and could do about 35mpg on the highway. My first Honda was an AN600, bought new in 1971. $1,300 out-the-door, and one of the first 200 Honda cars ever imported into the USA. http://flickr.com/photos/larrythefrog/477777904/ It got an easy 40mpg, closer to 50mpg downhill, with a strong tail wind. ;-) SignatureLarry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail "A lack of common sense is now considered a disability, with all the privileges that this entails." > Waiving the right to remain silent, Grumpy AuContraire > <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> said: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > It got an easy 40mpg, closer to 50mpg downhill, with a strong tail wind. ;-) My dad's Pontiac Bonneville gets 70 mpg going downhill, according to the computer display. And it does well going uphill, if it being towed by a tow truck. ;-) Jeff > Waiving the right to remain silent, Grumpy AuContraire > <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> said: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > It got an easy 40mpg, closer to 50mpg downhill, with a strong tail wind. ;-) Back in 1969, I was doing documentary film work in Micronesia and we rented a small Honda for about six weeks when in Koror, (Palau). It had no brakes but other than that, it ran flawlessly. Had a motorcycle air cooled engine, (two cylinder). I knew then that American automakers were going to have a challenged future... JT If you want good city mileage the Civic Hybrid or Prius is the way to go, here is a link to the civic hybrid mileage data base http://www.greenhybrid.com/compare/mileage/honda-civicii.html you can get the Prius data by clicking on the prius along the top bar. I prefer the Honda Civic to the Prius, it feels more like a real car not a video game, has a better driving position & more headroom. The difference between the EX & Hybrid is very small as I believe there is still a 1050 tax incentive. You do loose the sunroof but gain a nicer 2 tone interior, automatic a/c, remote trunk release, and smooth as silk CVT transmission. With the Civic hybrid, you are also gaining a smartway plus car which is the cleanest car (I believe) on the road right now per the EPA. My current lifetime mileage (1 year) in a Civic Hybrid 95% city driving is 42.2, the Civic LX auto. I drove while my car was in the body shop for a month got about 23mpg in the same conditions. As far as those that suggest driving an old beater till the wheels fall off, you are not asking that question, you are asking what new car do I want to buy.....keep in mind that he Honda has high safety ratings as well, with front, side curtain and side airbags....yes, I know you are the safest driver in the world, but not necessarily everyone is, we have to protect ourselves from them and there is no way to prevent someone from t-boning you while you are going through your green light......I would rather be in a new Civic or Prius with all those unnecessary airbags any day. >>> Hi; >>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Jeff > With the Civic hybrid, you are also gaining a smartway plus car which is the > cleanest car (I believe) on the road right now per the EPA. Mmmmm, I would doubt that. Show me one that is cleaner. >> With the Civic hybrid, you are also gaining a smartway plus car which is >> the >> cleanest car (I believe) on the road right now per the EPA. > > Mmmmm, I would doubt that. Actually, I called it smart way plus, The Honda Civic is actually smart way elite & the only 48 state car in this class, the Prius (like many others) is simply a smart way car with a rating of 8 vs the Hondas rating of 9. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/sbs.htm http://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/Index.do I could only go back to the 2000 Civic HX but its rating was 8 (same as Prius) so there you go. > Show me one that is cleaner. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> Mmmmm, I would doubt that. > >> With the Civic hybrid, you are also gaining a smartway plus car which is > >> the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > Show me one that is cleaner. Well, I'm not sure what you mean by a "smartway plus car". Oh, I see--the EPA has this rating they call "Smartway". Well, according to the EPA and its Green Vehicle Guide, both the Civic Hybrid and the Prius are rated Smartway Elite--but dig down and you'll see that the Prius is a tad cleaner and uses less fuel. It's also larger and has more luggage space. In 8 states, there are a lot more states where the Prius is not as clean with its 8 rating. >> >> With the Civic hybrid, you are also gaining a smartway plus car which >> >> is [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > see that the Prius is a tad cleaner and uses less fuel. It's also > larger and has more luggage space. > We are considering buying a 2008 civic. Could you please tell me the > gas mileage you get for city driving? My wife drives mostly around > town and is hoping for about 30 mpg. The sticker EPA Estimate reads > 25, so I will probably get something else if that is all it gets. I > was told the EPA estimates have changed and it will probably get > better than that, but guess who told me that...yeah ...the salesman:-) My wife's 2005 civic EX coupe with 5 speed gets 26-28 mpg in town (she hotrods it) and 35+ on the road. Lynn > Hi; > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Thanks for any knowledge. > Pat My Wife has a 2008 Civic LX 1.8 with ~15,000 miles. Her commute is 35 miles in the country with few stoplights and an average 50 mph speed. She is a very conservative driver. She claims to be doing better than 33 mpg on her commute over the last 5000 miles. She is a Ph.D. engineer and has good credibility with data. My 2003 Civic Si 2.0 160 hp consistently gets 24 mpg around town driven hard. I enjoy driving them both. > My Wife has a 2008 Civic LX 1.8 with ~15,000 miles. Her commute is 35 miles > in the country with few stoplights and an average 50 mph speed. She is a > very conservative driver. She claims to be doing better than 33 mpg on her > commute over the last 5000 miles. This surprises me in a bad way. I had a '97 Civic EX (manual) and got 32 in town, regularly. The commute over the 10 mile stretch has a fair amount of smooth 40 mph stretches through about 15 stoplights. The 10 mile return commute is much more stop and go. Still, I got 32. On the highway at 65 -75 I'd get about 38. If your wife's Civic is only getting 32 under the described conditions, Civics' mileage appears to really have fallen off over the last 10 years. > > My Wife has a 2008 Civic LX 1.8 with ~15,000 miles. Her commute is 35 > miles [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > described conditions, Civics' mileage appears to really have fallen off over > the last 10 years. There was no way to avoid it. The civic now is a much larger and heavier car than 10 years ago. My Si is over 3200 Pounds. I average about 26 MPG in mixed driving, and about 32 straight highway. I don't drive conservatively most of the time. The EX and lower should do a bit better than that, with the smaller engines, but it still isn't near as good as the older, smaller civics... SignatureJoe - Linux User #449481/Ubuntu User #19733 joe at hits - buffalo dot com "Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the time..." - Danny, American History X >>> My Wife has a 2008 Civic LX 1.8 with ~15,000 miles. Her commute is 35 >> miles [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > bit better than that, with the smaller engines, but it still isn't > near as good as the older, smaller civics... i drove to los angeles from sfo and back this weekend - 400 miles each way. 40.3mpg trip average. 89 civic, 2,187lbs hatchback automatic. that was sticking to the speed limit - if i go faster, it drops, but that's not bad for a 19 year old clunker. > i drove to los angeles from sfo and back this weekend - 400 miles each > way. 40.3mpg trip average. 89 civic, 2,187lbs hatchback automatic. > > that was sticking to the speed limit - if i go faster, it drops, but > that's not bad for a 19 year old clunker. Not bad at all. The old ones did a great job with fuel economy. It's a tough call. Americans seem to want bigger cars, and they absolutely expect the added safety equipment (6 airbags, crumple zones, etc), but now with the higher fuel prices we are seeing a heavy trend towards smaller cars. There have to be tradeoffs. It's just a matter of how much people are willing to give up to save some money at the pump... SignatureJoe - Linux User #449481/Ubuntu User #19733 joe at hits - buffalo dot com "Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the time..." - Danny, American History X >> i drove to los angeles from sfo and back this weekend - 400 miles each >> way. 40.3mpg trip average. 89 civic, 2,187lbs hatchback automatic. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > smaller cars. There have to be tradeoffs. It's just a matter of how > much people are willing to give up to save some money at the pump... modern engines are much more efficient than the 20+ year old ones - much more sophisticated control and better design. those engines in lightweight bodies with skinnier tires that old honda wishbone suspension could utilize more effectively, and you have the potential for great fuel economy. i've been considering an engine transplant accordingly, but transplanting the accompanying electronics is decidedly non-trivial. >> > My Wife has a 2008 Civic LX 1.8 with ~15,000 miles. Her commute is 35 >> miles [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >bit better than that, with the smaller engines, but it still isn't >near as good as the older, smaller civics... The sales brochure I just picked up at the dealer says the Si coupe curb weight is 2886 pounds. Granted that is about 500 more than my GS-R, but not quite 3200. Is yours a sedan? >>> > My Wife has a 2008 Civic LX 1.8 with ~15,000 miles. Her commute is 35 >>> miles [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > curb weight is 2886 pounds. Granted that is about 500 more than my > GS-R, but not quite 3200. Is yours a sedan? Working from memory and the registration sticker. Haven't checked it recently, and my memory is not reliable enough for me to argue it with you. Next time I go out I'll have to look again. Of course, NY doesn't weigh them, so it could *still* be wrong... ;-) SignatureJoe - Linux User #449481/Ubuntu User #19733 joe at hits - buffalo dot com "Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the time..." - Danny, American History X Elmo/Larry in AZ - You guys should get your facts straight about the smart - Elmo - the smart has an automated manual transmission - so while you are technically correct in that they don't offer an 'automatic' transmission, the automated manual has an automatic shift mode. Larry in AZ - the DO offer A/C, optional in the 'Pure' and standard in the 'Passion'. See - http://www.smartusa.com/smart-fortwo-passion.aspx I do agree with the general sentiment regarding the smart, however. It really needs a little more power to make sense - that may even help the mileage a tad by making the engine work less hard. It also really needs some storage space. But I have seen a few driving around, and I smile every time I see one. ;-) Dan D '07 Ody EX (23 mpg highway, loaded, at 75 mph) Central NJ USA |
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