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Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip.  Bad idea?

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Bow Wow - 10 May 2008 07:16 GMT
I was planning on taking my soon to take possession Pilot on a trip
which will consist mostly of highway driving of about 3000mile drive
and been told that that's not such a good idea because you don't want
to drive a brand new car on the highway for any extended amount if you
can help before the car's properly broken in.

The seals, rings and the machine just needs to set in properly, which
happens during the break in period and before that, I was told you
should avoid any long highway trip.

What do you guys think?  If this was your car, would you do it or put
off the trip until after the car's broken in properly?  Thanks.
Dave Kelsen - 10 May 2008 08:56 GMT
On 5/10/2008 1:16 AM Bow Wow spake these words of knowledge:

> I was planning on taking my soon to take possession Pilot on a trip
> which will consist mostly of highway driving of about 3000mile drive
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> What do you guys think?  If this was your car, would you do it or put
> off the trip until after the car's broken in properly?  Thanks.

The break-in period admonitions still apply; you were told correctly.
You can make the trip, but you'll want to vary the RPMs of your engine,
which can be annoying and even dangerous to others - because of the
unpredictability.

If this was my car, I would in fact avoid a long trip until after I had
*at least* 1000 miles of variated driving.

RFT!!!
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Ray - 10 May 2008 11:48 GMT
If you have not yet gotten the car, go by the dealer and look at one
of the owner"s manuals for that model. There is no problem on taking a
long trip that I know of. Of course you vary the speed, which means
you may run at 65 for a while then ease off to 55 for another 10
minutes and back up to 65. That doesn't create a danger to other cars.
Don't forget, pulling in for gas or food also varies the speed. I
don't think you will have any problem with the trip. The last two
Hondas I've owned were on long trips immediately after purchase and I
never saw any degradation of the cars performance because of that.
Enjoy

>I was planning on taking my soon to take possession Pilot on a trip
>which will consist mostly of highway driving of about 3000mile drive
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>What do you guys think?  If this was your car, would you do it or put
>off the trip until after the car's broken in properly?  Thanks.
Jeff - 10 May 2008 13:18 GMT
> I was planning on taking my soon to take possession Pilot on a trip
> which will consist mostly of highway driving of about 3000mile drive
> and been told that that's not such a good idea because you don't want
> to drive a brand new car on the highway for any extended amount if you
> can help before the car's properly broken in.

A brand new 1975 Ford Pinto, perhaps, but today's cars are machined to
higher standards. Taking the truck (the Pilot is a truck, not a car) on
a 3000-mile trip is just fine. The only problem you will have is paying
for the fuel.

> The seals, rings and the machine just needs to set in properly, which
> happens during the break in period and before that, I was told you
> should avoid any long highway trip.

By whom?

> What do you guys think?  If this was your car, would you do it or put
> off the trip until after the car's broken in properly?  Thanks.

Yes. But, in this case, that's when the truck comes off the dealer lot.

Jeff
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 10 May 2008 13:29 GMT
> Taking the truck (the Pilot is a truck, not a car)

It's a car.

It's intended to be a car, he drives it like a car, he calls it a car,
it's a car.
Jeff - 10 May 2008 13:31 GMT
>> Taking the truck (the Pilot is a truck, not a car)
>
> It's a car.
>
> It's intended to be a car, he drives it like a car, he calls it a car,
> it's a car.

You can drive a 18-wheeler like a car if you want. But, it's still a
truck. A Pilot meets the safety requirements of a truck, not a car. It
is licensed like a truck. It gets gasoline mileage like a truck.

It's a truck.

Jeff
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 10 May 2008 18:38 GMT
> > It's intended to be a car, he drives it like a car, he calls it a car,
> > it's a car.
>
> You can drive a 18-wheeler like a car if you want. But, it's still a
> truck.

That doesn't make any sense.

However, these things that you call "trucks" are used as cars, not as
trucks.

End of story.
Jeff - 10 May 2008 18:48 GMT
>>> It's intended to be a car, he drives it like a car, he calls it a car,
>>> it's a car.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> End of story.

They are classified by the government as trucks, have safety
requirements that are different from cars and handle differently than cars.

End of story.

Jeff
Jim Yanik - 10 May 2008 21:22 GMT
>> > It's intended to be a car, he drives it like a car, he calls it a
>> > car, it's a car.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> End of story.

there's a guy who built a semi's tractor into a pickup truck;I bet he calls
it a truck even though he uses it as a "car".and US Fedgov
considers("classifies") it a "truck",just like the original PT Cruiser.

"End of story".

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Nick Cassimatis - 14 May 2008 15:50 GMT
The US Government classifies a PT Cruiser a "Truck," so using them as a
reference is questionable.

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Jim Yanik - 14 May 2008 16:01 GMT
> The US Government classifies a PT Cruiser a "Truck," so using them as a
> reference is questionable.

I mentioned that in my original post. It's a "light truck",BTW.

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Joe - 16 May 2008 03:39 GMT
> The US Government classifies a PT Cruiser a "Truck," so using them as a
> reference is questionable.

They do not.

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Jim Yanik - 16 May 2008 04:33 GMT
>> The US Government classifies a PT Cruiser a "Truck," so using them as a
>> reference is questionable.
>
> They do not.

When Chrysler brought out the PT Cruiser,they designed it as a "light
truck" so it would not have to meet stricter passenger car standards for
fuel economy.(CAFE)

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_PT_Cruiser;

It is a front-wheel drive 5-passenger vehicle, classified as a truck by the
NHTSA for CAFE fuel economy calculations but as a car by most other
metrics. Indeed, Chrysler specifically designed the PT Cruiser to fit the
NHTSA criteria for a light truck in order to bring the average fuel
efficiency of the company's light truck fleet into compliance with CAFE
standards.[2]

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Joe - 16 May 2008 06:35 GMT
>>> The US Government classifies a PT Cruiser a "Truck," so using them as a
>>> reference is questionable.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> efficiency of the company's light truck fleet into compliance with CAFE
> standards.[2]

Right.  It was a conscious decision by Chrysler, not something done by
an idiotic government panel.  

Chrysler used the rules to their advantage.

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Jim Yanik - 16 May 2008 13:20 GMT
>>>> The US Government classifies a PT Cruiser a "Truck," so using them
>>>> as a reference is questionable.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Chrysler used the rules to their advantage.

yes,they designed the PT to -fit into- the *GOV'T* classification of "light
truck";the criteria is the government's.

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mjc13<REMOVETHIS> - 17 May 2008 09:24 GMT
>>>>>The US Government classifies a PT Cruiser a "Truck," so using them
>>>>>as a reference is questionable.
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> yes,they designed the PT to -fit into- the *GOV'T* classification of "light
> truck";the criteria is the government's.

    Do you work for Detroit? They gamed the system to save some money.
They did the sme thing with safety features like steel beams in doors -
left them out of their "light trucks" like at least one minivan that was
being marketed as a family car.
Nick Cassimatis - 16 May 2008 18:02 GMT
>>>> The US Government classifies a PT Cruiser a "Truck," so using them as a
>>>> reference is questionable.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Chrysler used the rules to their advantage.

Which means that the US Government classifies a PT Cruiser as a "Truck."
But the convertible, which has a "trunk" rather than a "load bed" is a
"Car."

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Jim Yanik - 17 May 2008 00:34 GMT
>>>>> The US Government classifies a PT Cruiser a "Truck," so using them
>>>>> as a reference is questionable.
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> "Truck." But the convertible, which has a "trunk" rather than a "load
> bed" is a "Car."

I guess the PT ragtop doesn't count towards Chrysler's truck CAFE.

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Jim Yanik - 10 May 2008 15:35 GMT
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in news:elmop-
FFB1B4.08291210052008@nntp9.usenetserver.com:

>> Taking the truck (the Pilot is a truck, not a car)
>
> It's a car.
>
> It's intended to be a car, he drives it like a car, he calls it a car,
> it's a car.

I suspect it's classified as a "light truck".
Just like the PT Cruiser used to be classified,before they made a ragtop
version.

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Elmo P. Shagnasty - 10 May 2008 18:37 GMT
> > It's a car.
> >
> > It's intended to be a car, he drives it like a car, he calls it a car,
> > it's a car.
>
> I suspect it's classified as a "light truck".

Classified by whom?

The only classification that matters is the guy who bought it.
Joe - 12 May 2008 02:49 GMT
>> > It's a car.
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> The only classification that matters is the guy who bought it.

No, the only classification that matters is the one the government
makes, since they determine the safety ratings and the licensing and
registration fees.  

In NY, a Ridgeline is registered Commercial.  It has lower safety
requirements and higher bumpers than a car.  Ergo, it is not a car.

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Seth - 12 May 2008 03:13 GMT
> In NY, a Ridgeline is registered Commercial.  It has lower safety
> requirements and higher bumpers than a car.  Ergo, it is not a car.

Ten years ago maybe that was the required registration class (in NY).
Half-ton pick-ups are eligible for Passenger plates these days.
Jeff - 12 May 2008 03:19 GMT
>> In NY, a Ridgeline is registered Commercial.  It has lower safety
>> requirements and higher bumpers than a car.  Ergo, it is not a car.
>
> Ten years ago maybe that was the required registration class (in NY).
> Half-ton pick-ups are eligible for Passenger plates these days.

But it is not the states that set the safety standards. It is the
Federal Gov't. They do require that cars meet different standards than
trucks. And they also have different mileage requirements.

I remember years ago that Subaru imported the Brat as trucks, so that
they could get around some tarrifs, too, rather than import them as cars.

Jeff
jim beam - 12 May 2008 03:25 GMT
>>>> It's a car.
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> In NY, a Ridgeline is registered Commercial.  It has lower safety
> requirements

the federal requirements may be lower, but i think you'll find that the
ridgeline meets all requirements, both car and truck.

> and higher bumpers than a car.  Ergo, it is not a car.
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 12 May 2008 12:11 GMT
> > Classified by whom?
> >
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> makes, since they determine the safety ratings and the licensing and
> registration fees.  

Ummmmmm.....no, the only classification that matters is the guy who buys
it.  He calls it a car.  It's a car.

You're apparently one of those types who has to go around talking about
everything down to the last detail.  "He took his 4 door 4wd SUV to the
store, he didn't walk."
Jim Yanik - 12 May 2008 12:32 GMT
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in news:elmop-
04F114.07112412052008@nntp9.usenetserver.com:

>> > Classified by whom?
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> makes, since they determine the safety ratings and the licensing and
>> registration fees.

I suspect the insurance companies also classify it as a truck.And they DO
matter.

> Ummmmmm.....no, the only classification that matters is the guy who buys
> it.  He calls it a car.  It's a car.

you're repeating that doens't make it true.

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Joe - 16 May 2008 03:38 GMT
>> > Classified by whom?
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> everything down to the last detail.  "He took his 4 door 4wd SUV to the
> store, he didn't walk."

No.  If he said he walked, I'd probably say he drove, but I wouldn't
care what he drove.  If he said he bought a car, and I looked at it
and saw a truck, I'd say he bought a truck.

There are different laws governing all kinds of things that are
different between cars and trucks.  There are different insurance
rates and registration fees.  A truck is not a car any more than a car
is a moped.

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