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Greetings all, I have a question about tires. I have 42k on the van and was told by my mechanic that I will need tires before the snow season. I have already changed the original tires 2 years ago so I am getting about 20k pre set. My 2nd set was Michelle Symmetry It seems very low on milage, my Jimmy use to get 40k on a set. Anyone know of a better tire? TIA, Dave- > Greetings all, > > I have a question about tires. > > I have 42k on the van and was told by my mechanic that I will need tires > before the snow season. i suggest you check this for yourself - read the tread depth. > I have already changed the original tires 2 years ago so I am getting about > 20k pre set. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > TIA, > Dave- I did the penny test as well as he showed me who low the tread was, and also my mechanic does not sell tires or upsell or make extra money, between my dad and myself he has 7 vehicles he works on so he gets plenty of work not to upsell anything to us. I also need to say my KIDS ride in the car and safety is 1st for them. >> Greetings all, >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> TIA, >> Dave- > I did the penny test as well as he showed me who low the tread was, and also > my mechanic does not sell tires or upsell or make extra money, between my > dad and myself he has 7 vehicles he works on so he gets plenty of work not > to upsell anything to us. people make mistakes - always do your own checking. > I also need to say my KIDS ride in the car and safety is 1st for them. do you think trying to play that card here earns you sympathy or credit??? just buy new tires. treat them right. learn to drive right. then the tires will be fine. >>> Greetings all, >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >>> TIA, >>> Dave- as far as checking, sure everybody carrys a tire depth gauge in there car. As far as the sympathy card, I was asking about better tires and was making a statement that the kids are in the car and I want better tires. So how am I suppose to drive right? Its the first vechile I have had in 25 years of driving that the tires were quickly. I have had 5 cars since I started driving in 86, I got great milage out of tires until this one. It was also my fisrt import, all others were GM based and I got 40k out of a set of tires. most of the milage is local street driving, not to my highway mileage on them. >> I did the penny test as well as he showed me who low the tread was, and >> also my mechanic does not sell tires or upsell or make extra money, [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >>>> TIA, >>>> Dave- > Greetings all, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > 20k pre set. > My 2nd set was Michelle Symmetry These are decent tires and should have lasted more than 20K miles. What did your mechanic say about why these wore so quickly? Anything about under inflated (inside and outside tread wears much faster than center of tread) tires? > It seems very low on milage, my Jimmy use to get 40k on a set. > > Anyone know of a better tire? I've currently got Yokohama TRZ tires on my minivan. I run them at about 37 psi front and 34 psi rear to maximize wear and mpg. TTFN Mechanic says that maybe the weight of the van could be an issue with quick wear and tear. tread seems to be an even wear. most of the driving is local not to much highway mileage on the van. >> Greetings all, >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > TTFN > Greetings all, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Anyone know of a better tire? Ever heard of "tire rotation"? Ever heard of "proper inflation"? Ever heard of "correct driving/braking"? Learn how to take care of something, and it'll take care of you.  Signature"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org As far as the Ever heard of---- 1st off its my wifes car 2nd tires are rotated as needed. 3rd i would guess that the LOF he tops my fluids so I would guess he check the tires. I know hy I left the newsgroups if some asks a question people are much too harsh on there answers, your remarsk were way off line dude. Ever heard ever heard ever heard, hey have you ever heard of being polite and "talking" to someone rather than being nasty with comments? >> Greetings all, >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Learn how to take care of something, and it'll take care of you. <stupid top-posting corrected> >>> I have 42k on the van and was told by my mechanic that I will need >>> tires before the snow season. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>> >>> It seems very low on milage, my Jimmy use to get 40k on a set. >> Ever heard of "tire rotation"? >> Ever heard of "proper inflation"? >> Ever heard of "correct driving/braking"? >> >> Learn how to take care of something, and it'll take care of you. > As far as the Ever heard of---- > 1st off its my wifes car What does that matter? Does she maintain it, or do you? > 2nd tires are rotated as needed. "As needed", huh? What does that mean, exactly? Do you follow the owner's manual recommendations, or just do it when you feel like it? > 3rd i would guess that the LOF he tops my fluids so I would guess he > check the tires. You "guess", huh? What the f.ck is an "LOF"? If you're not checking the tires yourself, it's not getting done. > I know hy I left the newsgroups if some asks a question people are much > too harsh on there answers, your remarsk were way off line dude. Too harsh? You think my answers were way off line, eh? They were valid questions to your stupid question, and quite polite, actually. > Ever heard ever heard ever heard, hey have you ever heard of being > polite and "talking" to someone rather than being nasty with comments? Take some f.cking English lessons, pull your head out of your a.s and take care of your vehicle properly, and then.... f.ck off, asswipe. Signature"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org > As far as the Ever heard of---- > 1st off its my wifes car [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I know hy I left the newsgroups if some asks a question people are much too > harsh on there answers, it's "their". and i really can't believe you could have found yourself having to leave before!!! not. ask yourself this question: if everyone who can be bothered to respond to your request for free expert advice behaves like an a.shole, is it because they really /are/ all a.sholes? or is it something /you/ did? [rhetorical] > your remarsk were way off line dude. > Ever heard ever heard ever heard, hey have you ever heard of being polite [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >> Learn how to take care of something, and it'll take care of you. On 8/14/2008 10:36 PM jim beam spake these words of knowledge: <snip> >> I know hy I left the newsgroups if some asks a question people are much too >> harsh on there answers, > > it's "their". and i really can't believe you could have found yourself > having to leave before!!! not. For what it's worth, it's "It's". Not to mention that you never start a sentence with a conjunction. I don't have any grief with correcting spelling - how else do people learn? - but for proper communication, the rules of grammar also have a place. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen SignatureA mind is a terrible thing to taste. > On 8/14/2008 10:36 PM jim beam spake these words of knowledge: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > For what it's worth, it's "It's". it's a unix thing... > Not to mention that you never start a > sentence with a conjunction. but i just did. and this is conversation, not dissertation. > I don't have any grief with correcting > spelling - how else do people learn? where were you for the op's education? > - but for proper communication, the > rules of grammar also have a place. > > RFT!!! > Dave Kelsen On 8/16/2008 11:13 AM jim beam spake these words of knowledge: >> On 8/14/2008 10:36 PM jim beam spake these words of knowledge: >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > it's a unix thing... Really? As a (former) Unix and AIX systems administrator, I recall just the opposite. Unlike most flavors of DOS, in Unix, as in English, case matters. You have it wrong. >> Not to mention that you never start a >> sentence with a conjunction. > > but i just did. and this is conversation, not dissertation. So you did. This is not a conversation in the general sense, although you could derive a sense of that meaning from 2c below. 1 obsolete : conduct, behavior 2 a (1): oral exchange of sentiments, observations, opinions, or ideas (2): an instance of such exchange : talk <a quiet conversation> b: an informal discussion of an issue by representatives of governments, institutions, or groups c: an exchange similar to conversation. Irrespective, you seem to imply that rules of punctuation and grammar don't apply to written 'conversations', yet you seem to be concerned with rules of spelling. I guess you get to pick and choose. It's a Jim Beam thing... >> I don't have any grief with correcting >> spelling - how else do people learn? > > where were you for the op's education? You corrected the spelling mistake. That's the point. There are more rules for good communication than spelling. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen Signaturerw-rw-rw- : The file protection of the Beast. > On 8/16/2008 11:13 AM jim beam spake these words of knowledge: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > the opposite. Unlike most flavors of DOS, in Unix, as in English, case > matters. You have it wrong. name a single cli command that is capitalized. >>> Not to mention that you never start a sentence with a conjunction. >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > with rules of spelling. I guess you get to pick and choose. It's a Jim > Beam thing... get over yourself. >>> I don't have any grief with correcting spelling - how else do people >>> learn? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You corrected the spelling mistake. That's the point. There are more > rules for good communication than spelling. so, if you want to be a pedant, where are you when it matters? >>> it's a unix thing... >> Really? As a (former) Unix and AIX systems administrator, I recall just >> the opposite. Unlike most flavors of DOS, in Unix, as in English, case >> matters. You have it wrong. > name a single cli command that is capitalized. Who claimed anything about "cli commands"? He said that "case matters" in Unix, and that is a true statement. If you actually did use Unix, you'd know that. Besides, this is not a Unix CLI. It's a newsgroup discussion, in English, which dictates that proper capitalization, spelling, punctuation is in order. Get a grip. Signature"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org >>>> it's a unix thing... > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Who claimed anything about "cli commands"? me. if you've used it, the habit of non-capitalization is pretty much essential. > He said that "case matters" in > Unix, and that is a true statement. i never said it wasn't. read the statement i made - don't mischaracterize then criticize the mischaracterization. > If you actually did use Unix, you'd > know that. > > Besides, this is not a Unix CLI. It's a newsgroup discussion, in English, > which dictates that proper capitalization, spelling, punctuation is in > order. Get a grip. On 8/18/2008 11:07 PM jim beam spake these words of knowledge: >>>>> it's a unix thing... >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > i never said it wasn't. read the statement i made - don't > mischaracterize then criticize the mischaracterization. You lying, moronic, deceptive, obfuscating, self-aggrandizing, pompous, overblown miserable bag of sh.t. I recognize that this is all you have, but JUST ONE TIME, pretend to be an adult and take responsibility for what you say, and what it means. Try getting out of your mom's basement and interacting with some real humans; they won't really hurt you. For the love of Christ, take a chance! It can't possibly any worse than whatever hell you're living now. By the way, I could easily spell out (as I have in the past) what you said, and what it means, and what it was intended to mean... and you'd completely ignore it, and go on to make a pointless argument about something entirely different. I won't do that, and you may say what you like. But this is a public forum, 'jim', and anyone who cares to can read it, and draw their own conclusions. Why don't you man up, for once? RFT!!! Dave Kelsen Signature"A man is not old until regrets take the place of dreams." -- John Barrymore > On 8/18/2008 11:07 PM jim beam spake these words of knowledge: > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > like. But this is a public forum, 'jim', and anyone who cares to can > read it, and draw their own conclusions. Why don't you man up, for once? i confront you with your own issues, and you attack the mirror. >>>> Really? As a (former) Unix and AIX systems administrator, I recall >>>> just the opposite. Unlike most flavors of DOS, in Unix, as in >>>> English, case matters. You have it wrong. >>> name a single cli command that is capitalized. >> Who claimed anything about "cli commands"? > me. if you've used it, the habit of non-capitalization is pretty much > essential. I use it every day. The point is that the original claim was that "case matters". The claim was *NOT* that there were any CLI commands that were capitalized. See the difference? You throwing in that question was an attempt to twist the issue. >> He said that "case matters" in Unix, and that is a true statement. > i never said it wasn't. read the statement i made - don't mischaracterize > then criticize the mischaracterization. Correct, you didn't say it wasn't a true statement. You did, however, attempt to sidetrack the issue, by demanding us to name a command that is capitalized, which is not the same thing. >> Besides, this is not a Unix CLI. It's a newsgroup discussion, in >> English, which dictates that proper capitalization, spelling, >> punctuation is in order. How come you didn't respond to this portion of my previous post? Signature"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org >>>>> Really? As a (former) Unix and AIX systems administrator, I recall >>>>> just the opposite. Unlike most flavors of DOS, in Unix, as in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I use it every day. The point is that the original claim was that "case > matters". but that wasn't /my/ claim! > The claim was *NOT* that there were any CLI commands that were > capitalized. that was my claim. > See the difference? i see someone that didn't read. > You throwing in that question was an > attempt to twist the issue. make that "sticking to the facts". >>> He said that "case matters" in Unix, and that is a true statement. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > attempt to sidetrack the issue, by demanding us to name a command that is > capitalized, which is not the same thing. no, i'm sticking to exactly my original point and not letting this get twisted. >>> Besides, this is not a Unix CLI. It's a newsgroup discussion, in >>> English, which dictates that proper capitalization, spelling, >>> punctuation is in order. > > How come you didn't respond to this portion of my previous post? because it's ignorant? >>>> Besides, this is not a Unix CLI. It's a newsgroup discussion, in >>>> English, which dictates that proper capitalization, spelling, >>>> punctuation is in order. >> How come you didn't respond to this portion of my previous post? > because it's ignorant? It's "ignorant"? LOL! So, you *do* think that this is a Unix CLI here, and not a newsgroup discussion? That's why proper English isn't required here? Really? Signature"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org On 8/19/2008 9:30 AM Dan C spake these words of knowledge: >>>>> Besides, this is not a Unix CLI. It's a newsgroup discussion, in >>>>> English, which dictates that proper capitalization, spelling, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Really? Only a little reading will let you know that you're banging your head against a wall. See his last reply to me. He's hopeless, and I for one should know better. Never attempt to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig. Although Beam doesn't appear to be in touch with reality enough to be annoyed, he most certainly is not going to approach real life. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen SignatureHe doesn't have enough class to qualify as an a.shole. > On 8/19/2008 9:30 AM Dan C spake these words of knowledge: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Although Beam doesn't appear to be in touch with reality enough to be > annoyed, he most certainly is not going to approach real life. self delusion is no solution dave. address the facts - you didn't read what i wrote properly, and when confronted with that reality, you tried to squirm your way out of it, finally resorting to bizarre fabrications and temper tantrum. and all because you took it upon yourself to take issue with a unix-centric habit that has a value you don't understand. >>>>> Besides, this is not a Unix CLI. It's a newsgroup discussion, in >>>>> English, which dictates that proper capitalization, spelling, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > It's "ignorant"? LOL! So, you *do* think that this is a Unix CLI here, > and not a newsgroup discussion? you're twisting the facts - this is indeed not a cli, but i never said it was. i /did/ say that it's a cli habit. and an highly useful one. and you can bet your a.s it's not one i'm going to kick because some self-appointed netcop is taking it on himself to waste electrons. That's why proper English isn't required > here? > > Really? as for your netcop activities, either waste electrons uniformly for all "transgressions" from all users or not at all. > as for your netcop activities, either waste electrons uniformly for all > "transgressions" from all users or not at all. Danny boy is best ignored. He is not much more than a troll. He likes to spend his time in Linux newsgroups jumping on newbies asking for help. He doesn't know sh.t, so he tries his best to make others feel as inferior as himself. Not unlike the discussion here recently about fuel usage when the car is in gear, and your foot isn't on the gas. He had no clue what he was talking about, but felt free to jump in and attack those that know and accuse them of stupidity. The punk never learns... If you can get used to him, he can at least be entertaining to a point, which is why I don't just drop him in the killfile. But don't expect him to ever have anything useful to say. The next time he does will be the first... SignatureJoe - Linux User #449481/Ubuntu User #19733 joe at hits - buffalo dot com "Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the time..." - Danny, American History X > name a single cli command that is capitalized. VBoxHeadless is one that I use all the time... ;-) SignatureJoe - Linux User #449481/Ubuntu User #19733 joe at hits - buffalo dot com "Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the time..." - Danny, American History X >> name a single cli command that is capitalized. > > VBoxHeadless is one that I use all the time... ;-) well, you're one up on dave and dan. and me. >>> name a single cli command that is capitalized. >> VBoxHeadless is one that I use all the time... ;-) > well, you're one up on dave and dan. and me. Oh, come on, you Unix guru, you. Anyone with any knowledge about the subject knows that "VBoxHeadless" is not a *CLI command*. It's the name of a program that can be typed at the CLI, but it's not a "command". There are many such examples. BitchX, LimeWire, Thunar, X, and many more. Again, those are (external) programs that can be started from the command line, but are not "commands" in the true sense. A "true" command would be something like a bash builtin, for example, which are generally all lowercase as far as I know. I'm surprised you didn't make this distinction, as pedantic as you are. Signature"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org >>>> name a single cli command that is capitalized. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Again, those are (external) programs that can be started from the command > line, but are not "commands" in the true sense. jeepers dude, what next? why isn't TIN on your list? because that's your newsreader application name, but you invoke it with "tin". > A "true" command would be > something like a bash builtin, for example, which are generally all > lowercase as far as I know. er, i do know this distinction - which is why i made my original point, but i guess i'm not trying to muddy the water like you. > I'm surprised you didn't make this distinction, as pedantic as you are. > so now you respond? >>>> name a single cli command that is capitalized. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > I'm surprised you didn't make this distinction, as pedantic as you are. Most of the "commands" in Linux are external programs. Anything typed at the cli to achieve a task is a command. You know better, Danny Boy... SignatureJoe - Linux User #449481/Ubuntu User #19733 joe at hits - buffalo dot com "Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the time..." - Danny, American History X > As far as the Ever heard of---- > 1st off its my wifes car [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Ever heard ever heard ever heard, hey have you ever heard of being polite > and "talking" to someone rather than being nasty with comments? It's unfortunate that you've encountered the less-than-polite trolls that lurk in this newsgroup. These people are, by and large, rude and contentious. You are hardly the first to be treated this way. Consider running the tires several PSI (start at +4 or so) over the Honda recommended pressure. Many mileage conscious drivers do this (4 PSI over is nothing for these people!) and often report increased tire life in addition to fractionally improved fuel economy. Start a tire tread log when the new tires go on, and adjust pressure to maintain even wear across the width of the tire. (FWIW, my Accord needs ~39 PSI to wear evenly. The door-jamb specification of 33PSI is just hopeless - the tire edges wear long before the center.) Front tire alignment is an other obvious thing to check. You can perform a quick-and-dirty alignment test by applying a stripe of paint or masking tape to the front tires, and driving straight ahead for a mile or so. If the tires are scrubbing badly, you'll see uneven wear on the indicator material. -Moo! Greg, Thanks for your kind answer, I will be going to the local tire store to start to price out tires next weekend. and also keep a log. It is a shame that people fly off the hook with some small returned criticism. Its not I am look for the great answer in life but a answer to why the tires had such a small life span. As far as the others I guess they have pleanty of free time to tinker with their cars. I bearly get 2 hours of time with the family at night before the kids shove off to bed. let alone having time to check the cars. Have a nice weekend. Xanth >> As far as the Ever heard of---- >> 1st off its my wifes car [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > -Moo! > Its not I am look for the great answer in life but a answer to why the > tires had such a small life span. It's a simple answer. It's because they were not properly maintained/used. > As far as the others I guess they have pleanty of free time to tinker with > their cars. Not really. > I bearly get 2 hours of time with the family at night before the kids > shove off to bed. Just "bearly" 2 hours? How long does it take to go out and check the tire pressures? Less than 10 minutes. When was the last time the wheel alignments were checked/adjusted? How many times did you rotate the tires, and at what mileage intervals? > let alone having time to check the cars. See above. It doesn't take very long. > Have a nice weekend. Spend some of it checking your vehicle(s). Then spend the rest of it taking a remedial English/writing course. Signature"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org |
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