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Car Forum / Honda Cars / December 2008Where is fuel filter on 2001 Accord EX Automatic ?
I see the fuel rail line go down the firewall but no traditional "can" filter.... > I see the fuel rail line go down the firewall but no traditional "can" > filter.... Honda switched to a "permanent" filter in the gas tank around the 2000 time frame. Its no longer a convenient preventive maintenance item. Only worry about it if you have fuel starvation issues that point directly to a clogged filter. >> I see the fuel rail line go down the firewall but no traditional "can" >> filter.... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Only worry about it if you have fuel starvation issues that point > directly to a clogged filter. indeed. it's amazing how detroit has brainwashed so many people into constantly paying for "maintenance" they don't need. > On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 07:29:59 -0800, e.meyer wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > into constantly > paying for "maintenance" they don't need. Come on. Prior to this new filter design, Honda also recommended changing the fuel filter every few years. >> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 07:29:59 -0800, e.meyer wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Come on. Prior to this new filter design, Honda also recommended > changing the fuel filter every few years. my 306k mile crx was on its original filter. sure, you might need to change if you're a farmer in the habit of fueling from a muddy can, but to most folk, you'll never need to touch it - changes should be on the basis of need, not recreation. > On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 08:42:31 -0700, Elle wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > be on the basis > of need, not recreation. It is the maintenance schedule that prescribes changing the fuel filter in older Civics after x years/y miles. The maintenance schedule is not "recreation." Using your criterion, a person would never change the timing belt. >> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 08:42:31 -0700, Elle wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > "recreation." Using your criterion, a person would never change the > timing belt. no, there are no symptoms for a timing belt - there are for a fuel filter. your argument is like saying change oil on schedule as an over- ride to analysis. in reality, if you have analysis, that over-rides a schedule. >>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 08:42:31 -0700, Elle wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > over-rides a > schedule. If you want to use logic then you will have to concede that (1) Honda as well as Detroit for many years recommended changing the oil filter; and (2) it is on the maintenance schedule for older Hondas. I do not have any problem with your noting you do not feel the filter needs to be changed. Just do not insist (1) and (2) oare otherwise. If you do not like the TB example there are many other components for which "analysis" is difficult or impossible or waiting can affect other opponents, so good practice is to replace X every Y/Z years/miles. >>>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 08:42:31 -0700, Elle wrote: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > any problem with your noting you do not feel the filter needs to be > changed. Just do not insist (1) and (2) oare otherwise. er, the oil filter gets changed when the oil gets changed. you change it on a schedule if you don't do analysis, you change it on determined mileage if you do. the same would go for fuel filters if you had access to analysis, which in fact, you do, if you're bothering to observe the vehicle's behavior, because you it exhibits telltale symptoms when it needs service. you'd know this is you'd run a vehicle in an environment where fuel cleanliness is a problem. i have, and it's basic stuff. and trivial to handle. > If you do not like the TB example there are many other components for > which "analysis" is difficult or impossible or waiting can affect other > opponents, so good practice is to replace X every Y/Z years/miles. you're clutching at straws. just like tires where you can directly observe usage, the fuel filter you can also directly observe based on the vehicle's behavior. you don't replace tires on a schedule do you? > On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:46:05 -0700, Elle wrote: >> If you want to use logic then you will have to concede >> that (1) Honda as [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > er, the oil filter gets changed when the oil gets changed. Obviously I meant fuel filter. I could list a number of components where wear is not obvious, yet the maintenance schedule and good practices says they should be changed out, but you will just continue to play games. >> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:46:05 -0700, Elle wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > maintenance schedule and good practices says they should be changed out, > but you will just continue to play games. i'm not playing games elle, i'm pointing out facts. but you've taken it all personally and are reacting inappropriately. > my 306k mile crx was on its original filter. sure, you might need to > change if you're a farmer in the habit of fueling from a muddy can, but to > most folk, you'll never need to touch it - changes should be on the basis > of need, not recreation. There have been 4 cars in my family that really needed fuel filter changes. In two of the cases the symptoms were sporadic - the engine would run fine for a while than quit. Let it sit a few minutes and it would work again for minutes, hours or days. There is no need preemptively change fuel filters unless you are averse to the engine dying while on the road or taking the car in for repair and being told there doesn't appear to be anything wrong with it. However, the troublesome filters were also small. Mike >> my 306k mile crx was on its original filter. sure, you might need to >> change if you're a farmer in the habit of fueling from a muddy can, but [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Mike ok, there is something to be said for preempting idiot mechanics that can't diagnose a basic problem like this, but then again, maybe not. when i went to vehicle tech classes, we'd be given bench motors with undisclosed problems and tested on our diagnosis and repair. basic flow- chart stuff. if you can sit down with the honda manual and the honda diagnostic charts, there really is no reason anyone should be giving you a vehicle back unable to find out the problem. just changing fuel filters doesn't make your mechanic good at their job. >> There have been 4 cars in my family that really needed fuel filter >> changes. In two of the cases the symptoms were sporadic - the engine [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > vehicle back unable to find out the problem. just changing fuel filters > doesn't make your mechanic good at their job. You can't fix it if it ain't broke. Intermittents are the bane of troubleshooters everywhere, and fuel filters are notorious for producing intermittent stalling... it's their favorite failure mode. The value of replacing fuel filters either preemptively or on suspicion is that the approach is cheap and in accordance with good maintenance practices. I've recommended and done it myself several times. Most people know I favor cheap and easy measures when clues are sparse. I never feel more stupid than when I have spent days fighting something I could have fixed for half an hour's work and $20. There is also a lot to be said for not stranding somebody on the road when a predictable failure strikes. Just do the PMs and have done with it. Mike > > I see the fuel rail line go down the firewall but no traditional "can" > > filter.... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Only worry about it if you have fuel starvation issues that point > directly to a clogged filter. Thanks ! |
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