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Car Forum / Honda Cars / July 2004Question: Problem with Brakes Job
Hi To All: I just had a lot of work done on the brake system of my '92 four door Accord, but am having two new problems that I would like to understand before I take the car back to the dealer: 1) I have to press unusually hard on the brake to get the car to stop when rolling (to a stop light, stop sign, etc.) 2) I smell a strong burning odor (like burning tar) from under the car when parking it after driving on the hiway. Does anyone know what could be causing these issues? The work I had done was as follows: 1) replaced rear cylinder drums 2) replaced master cylinder 3) replaced ball joints 4) replaced front pads and machined rotors 5) replaced rear shoes and machined drums. Thanks for any help on what this could be. - John > Hi To All: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > machined rotors 5) replaced rear shoes and machined drums. > Thanks for any help on what this could be. - John ========================== I'll bet your car also feels like you're carrying a bunch of cargo as well, like no get-up-and-go? Fuel mileage is down the toilet too, right? It sounds like they failed to get the adjustment exact, so your power brakes are on all the time, and burning up your pads, shoes, disks, and drums like crazy. That's why you can't get your brakes to work when you need them. It's called brake 'fade' because really (smoking) hot brakes just can't stop you very well. You've probably got a big fight on your hands, so you'll need an alternate witness to prove that the shop now owes you new pads, shoes, rotors, drums, maybe piston kits, maybe caliper rebuilds. If you've only put 50 miles on it, just get the master cylinder removed and adjusted to correct the problem. If 2,000+ miles, find an expert you can take for a (possibly paid) spin, and show him how it smokes. Fight the original guy if he won't correct the (very dangerous) error. 'Curly' Wow, Curly, thanks for the information! That sounds pretty disturbing. I've only put 10 miles on the car since I just had the work done yesterday, so do you think it would be OK to just have the brakes re-adjusted correctly, without having to replace anything new? I am a bit surprised that the mechanic didn't catch these problems on the test drive, not to mention that he says he's got 20+ years experience AND works at a Honda dealership. I'm in a new area and so this was the first time I dealt with these guys - the work was about $1200 USD (I'm in Canada). I guess its time to find a new dealership. Thanks again. - John >> Hi To All: >> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >'Curly' >I am a bit surprised that the mechanic didn't catch these problems >on the test drive, not to mention that he says he's got 20+ years >experience AND works at a Honda dealership. What does he *do* at the Honda dealership? I gather you did not actually have this done in the dealer's shop. J. Hi J.: What does he do? He's a mechanic. And yes, I did have this done at the Honda dealership. I gather you guys think this mechanic is not too good. I agree. My only hope is that I can fix this with just a simple adjustment instead of having to replace anything. - John >>I am a bit surprised that the mechanic didn't catch these problems >>on the test drive, not to mention that he says he's got 20+ years [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >J. >What does he do? He's a mechanic. And yes, I did have this done >at the Honda dealership. I gather you guys think this mechanic is >not too good. I agree. My only hope is that I can fix this with just >a simple adjustment instead of having to replace anything. - John Then I don't understand. At least in the US, if you pay dealership prices, they stand behind repairs, and if they give you any grief, you can contact the Honda factory rep, and they are VERY good about keeping dealer customers happy. I presume, even on older cars. Just take it back to the dealer and tell your story J. > Wow, Curly, thanks for the information! That sounds pretty disturbing. > I've only put 10 miles on the car since I just had the work done > yesterday, so do you think it would be OK to just have the brakes > re-adjusted correctly, without having to replace anything new? --------- They'll slip the master cylinder off and correct the adjustment. Hopefully you don't have any pulsation problems because of warping the rotors with such high heat. Was the car acting 'guttless' like I asked? In Alberta, the aftermarket shops that specialize in Asian models have White Pages ads that say "Honda repair by XXX and sons" to draw in the Honda customers. Good trick. ---------- > I am a bit surprised that the mechanic didn't catch these problems > on the test drive, not to mention that he says he's got 20+ years [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >> >>'Curly' Hi Curly: Yes, the car does feel like I'm pulling some kind of "invisible" load, and it drags and seems sluggish. The Honda dealership I had this done at shall remain nameless, but its one of the biggest in the Toronto area. Of course, that doesn't mean they won't try to rip people off. I *hope* this was an honest mistake on the part of the mechanic, but it seems like a pretty serious error. Thanks for telling me about the possibility of damage to the rotors due to high heat -- I'll keep my fingers crossed that they are OK. - John >> Wow, Curly, thanks for the information! That sounds pretty disturbing. >> I've only put 10 miles on the car since I just had the work done [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] >>> >>>'Curly' > Hi Curly: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > possibility of damage to the rotors due to high heat -- I'll keep my > fingers crossed that they are OK. - John put the car in neutral and try to push it. it may be an adjustment issue or it may be a crappy resurface issue. or jack up the car and turn each wheel by hand, if you can't then it's an adjustment issue. Chip >>Hi Curly: >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > issue. > Chip ================ Chip, That would be with the engine running, right? When my Volvo locked up the brakes by itself, shutting off the engine was the only cure (even when sitting in an intersection :-( :-( ) 'Curly' >>> Hi Curly: >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > 'Curly' /that/ would be a problem with the vacuum circuit on the power assist module. Chip: Many thanks for the suggestions. I'll try them out and see what I can learn. - John >> Hi Curly: >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >issue. > Chip > Hi Curly: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > possibility of damage to the rotors due to high heat -- I'll keep my > fingers crossed that they are OK. - John If it was Roadsport Honda, STAY AWAY FROM THEM LIKE THEY'RE THE PLAGUE!!!! They tried to sell me a Prelude, and told me it had full records and one owner. I gave them a $500 deposit, but before picking up the car I checked out the VIN. Turned out it was owned by a rental company, and the only records they had were for the 5000km it had been driven by the dealership. I'm out $500 right now, but since I'm on holliday, I'll call Honda and see what I can do to get my money back (the whole thing happened 3 months ago, so it's recent enough). Cosmin Hi Cosmin: No, it wasn't Roadsport Honda. Very sorry to hear about your bad experience, though -- best of luck with getting your money back. - John >> Hi Curly: >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Cosmin |
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