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Car Forum / Honda Cars / July 2004ATF flush for 2000 Odyssey LX
Hi. Just completed a regular ATF change. It gave up 3 qt and I put the same amount. ATF capacity is about 7.2 qt. The drain plug is at the bottom - and still only 3 qt. What kind of magic I have to do to flush. I have oil suction pump, but never used it and no clue from which side I can get all 7.2 qt. All kind of responses will be appreciated. Regards, vj > Hi. > Just completed a regular ATF change. It gave up 3 qt and I put the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Regards, > vj ================ Change it again next Saturday, and the Saturday after that too. Make sure it's warmed up when you remove the fill plug, then the drain plug. Then you're done. Don't use ANYTHING but Honda Z1 ATF. 'Curly' > > Hi. > > Just completed a regular ATF change. It gave up 3 qt and I put the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > 'Curly' I'm of the school that changing tranny oil without cleaning/replacing the screen/filter is akin to putting onn the same dirty socks after a bath. IOW, the pan should be pulled...  SignatureJT Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4 On 7/8/04 1:32 AM, in article 40ECEB1C.2FE328BE@doofis.FAKEcom, "Grumpy au Contraire" <Grumpy@doofis.FAKEcom> wrote: >>> Hi. >>> Just completed a regular ATF change. It gave up 3 qt and I put the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > the screen/filter is akin to putting onn the same dirty socks after a > bath. IOW, the pan should be pulled... Honda automatics generally do not have a removable bottom pan and there is no accessible screen/filter to clean or replace. > On 7/8/04 1:32 AM, in article 40ECEB1C.2FE328BE@doofis.FAKEcom, "Grumpy au > Contraire" <Grumpy@doofis.FAKEcom> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Honda automatics generally do not have a removable bottom pan and there is > no accessible screen/filter to clean or replace. I will not profess real knowledge of Honda auto trannies but could this lack contribute to the relatively high rate of Honda tranny failures? SignatureJT Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4 On 7/8/04 6:03 PM, in article 40EDD347.5BAC498C@doofis.FAKEcom, "Grumpy au Contraire" <Grumpy@doofis.FAKEcom> wrote: >> On 7/8/04 1:32 AM, in article 40ECEB1C.2FE328BE@doofis.FAKEcom, "Grumpy au >> Contraire" <Grumpy@doofis.FAKEcom> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > I will not profess real knowledge of Honda auto trannies but could this > lack contribute to the relatively high rate of Honda tranny failures? Possibly. One of the failure modes that has caused warranty extensions/recalls involves clutches disintegrating and clogging the little (inaccessible) screens they have in the fluid passages. This then causing exciting behavior like slamming into 2nd gear without warning at 80 mph. I suspect there would be less chance of that happening if there was a filter in the pan (if it had a pan...). It would still disintegrate, but the failure mode probably wouldn't be as exciting. It does make for easy fluid changes though. > On 7/8/04 6:03 PM, in article 40EDD347.5BAC498C@doofis.FAKEcom, "Grumpy au > Contraire" <Grumpy@doofis.FAKEcom> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > It does make for easy fluid changes though. I guess, religious changing of the fluid is in order... <G> SignatureJT Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4 >>On 7/8/04 1:32 AM, in article 40ECEB1C.2FE328BE@doofis.FAKEcom, "Grumpy au >>Contraire" <Grumpy@doofis.FAKEcom> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > I will not profess real knowledge of Honda auto trannies but could this > lack contribute to the relatively high rate of Honda tranny failures? "high rate" of failure??? my friends have over 360k on an 88 accord automatic. original transmission. i had a civic with 180k before i sold it. i wouldn't call those unreliable transmissions. On 7/9/04 8:46 AM, in article oM-dndDiNItSPHPdRVn-jg@comcast.com, "jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote: >>> On 7/8/04 1:32 AM, in article 40ECEB1C.2FE328BE@doofis.FAKEcom, "Grumpy au >>> Contraire" <Grumpy@doofis.FAKEcom> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > automatic. original transmission. i had a civic with 180k before i > sold it. i wouldn't call those unreliable transmissions. Before the failures started showing up on the '02 Acura TL-S and the newer Odysseys, I think Honda automatics were pretty much bullet-proof. They seem to have problems beefing them up to handle the bigger V6 engines. >Hi. >Just completed a regular ATF change. It gave up 3 qt and I put the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Regards, >vj I found a shop that used a machine called TransTech or T-Tech (?) that flushes your ATF. I have a '03 Pilot and looks as though it uses about the same amount of ATF as yours. I took about 12 qt with me to the shop (Honda's OEM ATF). The technician filled the machine up with the new ATF and the machine then was hooked up to the cooler line connections and sucked out the old and dirty ATF and in went the new ATF. > I found a shop that used a machine called TransTech or T-Tech (?) that > flushes your ATF. I have a '03 Pilot and looks as though it uses [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > was hooked up to the cooler line connections and sucked out the old > and dirty ATF and in went the new ATF. honda has had a service bulletin out for years that states that trns flushers are bad for them. a honda automatic is unique in design, there are no bands or planetary gears, it's all wet clutch packs. i've seen them fail due to flushers, hope you have better luck. Chip [snizzle] > honda has had a service bulletin out for years that states that trns > flushers are bad for them. a honda automatic is unique in design, > there are no bands or planetary gears, it's all wet clutch packs. > i've seen them fail due to flushers, hope you have better luck. > Chip Oh man. Well that's just great. I just got my mother's 2000 Accord SE tranny fluid flushed last week, at ~70k.The fluid was real dark, nearly black. >> I found a shop that used a machine called TransTech or T-Tech (?) that >> flushes your ATF. I have a '03 Pilot and looks as though it uses [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >i've seen them fail due to flushers, hope you have better luck. > Chip No sh.t? damn!!!! I never read or even heard something like that before. But what I don't get is, why would it fail when the fluid was simply replaced? There were no cleaning solvents used either. The only thing the flushers do is "vacuum" out the old fluid and the new and clean fluid goes in, meaning at no point is the transmission every operated without any fluid present. Any idea as to what it was about the flushers that Honda deeded was bad for their cars? thanks. >>>I found a shop that used a machine called TransTech or T-Tech (?) that >>>flushes your ATF. I have a '03 Pilot and looks as though it uses [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Any idea as to what it was about the flushers that Honda deeded was > bad for their cars? thanks. i'm guessing, but i'd say it's because they use a large quantity of fluid - so i doubt most operators flush & clean them very thoroughly between changes because it would get expensive. i'd therefore imagine the oil going into the transmission was not "pure" honda atf. >>>>I found a shop that used a machine called TransTech or T-Tech (?) that >>>>flushes your ATF. I have a '03 Pilot and looks as though it uses [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >between changes because it would get expensive. i'd therefore imagine >the oil going into the transmission was not "pure" honda atf. I brought Honda's OEM ATF with me to the tranny flushing place and saw them pour the stuff into their TransTech machine though. Brought 15L/15.85qt with me and gave me back one 1L bottle of it. > No sh.t? damn!!!! I never read or even heard something like that > before. But what I don't get is, why would it fail when the fluid was [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Any idea as to what it was about the flushers that Honda deeded was > bad for their cars? thanks. if it's only a fluid exchange you're fine. most flushers use an additive that degrades the clutch packs. that's a problem. they may use just fluid but was there residual solvent from the last job?? Chip >> No sh.t? damn!!!! I never read or even heard something like that >> before. But what I don't get is, why would it fail when the fluid was [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >use just fluid but was there residual solvent from the last job?? > Chip No, there was no last job since this is the first time I used a TransTech on my car to do a tranny flush. And like I said above, I made sure they didn't use any cleaning solvents or additives. |
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