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Car Forum / Honda Cars / August 2004Whats the deal with the new oil change intervals??????
2004 accord lx..the maintenance schedule specifically states that under normal driving conditions to change the oil only at 10k, filter at 20k, oil again at 30k and so on. Although I am no engineer I am going to have to pass on this piece of advice and just change at about 7500 miles, the oil and filter. The plugs are also to be changed at 110k. Hell even if they are platinum I don't think they will last that long and perform properly. CaptainKrunch No harm in changing your oil at shorter intervals, actually the better option mechanically although at the expense of increasing your maintenance cost. > 2004 accord lx..the maintenance schedule specifically states that under > normal driving conditions to change the oil only at 10k, filter at 20k, oil [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > CaptainKrunch i heard on car talk that those 3000mile oil change intervals were heavily influenced by the oil industry. they said 4500 or 5000 is fine especially since they add so many additives to oil now a days. > 2004 accord lx..the maintenance schedule specifically states that under > normal driving conditions to change the oil only at 10k, filter at 20k, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > CaptainKrunch > i heard on car talk that those 3000mile oil change intervals were heavily > influenced by the oil industry. they said 4500 or 5000 is fine especially [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >>CaptainKrunch Hi, Platinum plugs on unleaded gas last LONG time. Unless you experience drivability issue with your car don't replace anything just because they're at certain mileage point. We throw away way too many consumable parts prematurely. Air filter, PCV valve, plugs/wires, oil/filter, etc. Tony > i heard on car talk that those 3000mile oil change intervals were heavily > influenced by the oil industry. they said 4500 or 5000 is fine especially > since they add so many additives to oil now a days. The general rule used by lots of people is every 3000 miles if you do lots of city driving. every 5000 miles if you rarely do any city driving. Believe it or not, some companies that make and sell automobiles recommend 7000 to 10,000 mile oil changes depending on company. There is a reason: They want their cars to develop problems within 3 to 4 years so they can sell more new cars to those people that followed their advice related to oil changes. Some mechanics also suggest you change it at 7000 to 10000 miles so they will make more money off repairs.  SignatureNEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice. We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people. > Believe it or not, some companies that make and sell automobiles > recommend 7000 to 10,000 mile oil changes depending on company. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > you change it at 7000 to 10000 miles so they will make more > money off repairs. Perhaps. However, one of the principle reasons is to lower the expected maintenance costs such that the car gets a better rating by groups like Consumer Reports. Eric > > i heard on car talk that those 3000mile oil change intervals were heavily > > influenced by the oil industry. they said 4500 or 5000 is fine especially [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > you change it at 7000 to 10000 miles so they will make more > money off repairs. Well, maybe I'm gambling, but I drive my car hard, change the oil at approx 7500 and have put over 100,000 miles on it in only 36.5 months. Still runs great, plugs are clean (changed them for the first time last week) and starts up right away everytime. I highly doubt that any car company would stake their reputation (this means money) on extending oil change intervals if the long term effects would be negative. Additionally the 3000 mile oil change interval has been around since about the 50's I believe. Engine emissions have lowered significantly, the engines heat up faster and maintain higher temperatures to help prevent sludging, and the oil itself is ten fold better than it was. So I have to call bullshit on your argument. CaptainKrunch > > i heard on car talk that those 3000mile oil change intervals were heavily > > influenced by the oil industry. they said 4500 or 5000 is fine especially [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > you change it at 7000 to 10000 miles so they will make more > money off repairs. >Additionally the 3000 mile oil change interval has been around since about >the 50's I believe. Engine emissions have lowered significantly, the >engines heat up faster and maintain higher temperatures to help prevent >sludging, and the oil itself is ten fold better than it was. So I have to >call bullshit on your argument. I agree. Most new cars would probably do fine on 15,000 mile intervals with normal driving. It wouldn't be recommended for a car you care about, but the car would likely still be running fine even after 60,000 miles. Changing oil every 3,000 miles certainly doesnt hurt anything, but the oil-change companies certainly appreciate it. SignatureChris B. furrier@iglou.com I'm sure the car companies determined the longer oil change interval through testing. You, too, can have your oil tested after changing it by sending a sample to http://www.blackstone-labs.com/ $20-30 per test. I haven't tried it with normal oil yet but the synthethic oil I drained @ 9,000 miles was fine, per their report. >> i heard on car talk that those 3000mile oil change intervals were heavily >>influenced by the oil industry. they said 4500 or 5000 is fine especially [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > you change it at 7000 to 10000 miles so they will make more > money off repairs. >I'm sure the car companies determined the longer oil change interval >through testing. >You, too, can have your oil tested after changing it by sending a sample >to http://www.blackstone-labs.com/ $20-30 per test. >I haven't tried it with normal oil yet but the synthethic oil I drained >@ 9,000 miles was fine, per their report. Or just do an oil change for less money! You then have "perfect" oil and a new filter, plus a couple extra $ in your pocket. since most cars have a power train warranty thats 70000 miles or 3 or 4 years wouldnt the companies have to pay for a major engine repair? that doesnt make sense. also, the only repair you will need from failure to change oil will be a major engine repair / I don't understand what the hell you are saying > since most cars have a power train warranty thats 70000 miles or 3 or 4 > years wouldnt the companies have to pay for a major engine repair? that > doesnt make sense. also, the only repair you will need from failure to > change oil will be a major engine repair / > I don't understand what the hell you are saying > > > since most cars have a power train warranty thats 70000 miles or 3 or 4 > > years wouldnt the companies have to pay for a major engine repair? that > > doesnt make sense. also, the only repair you will need from failure to > > change oil will be a major engine repair / No sh.t. Lamont, you need to to learn to _reply_ to posts, not start new threads. > > since most cars have a power train warranty thats 70000 miles or 3 or 4 > > years wouldnt the companies have to pay for a major engine repair? that > > doesnt make sense. also, the only repair you will need from failure to > > change oil will be a major engine repair / > > I don't understand what the hell you are saying Many people don't. He doesn't quote what he is responding to, and he either starts new threads on all his responses, or just edits the subject line for some odd reason. Most of his postings "appear" to be random mumbling. > i heard on car talk that those 3000mile oil change intervals were heavily > influenced by the oil industry. they said 4500 or 5000 is fine especially [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > I > > don't think they will last that long and perform properly. i change every 15k or so and have never had a problem... and that is on two different hondas at 167K and 235K, it's true, the oil industry AND the repair industry are behind the unnecessary oil changes... I changed with regular NGK plug at 20K miles on my 97 accord. Engine runs much smoother with new plug everytime. Bought a set of NGK Iridium plugs from NGK.com, but haven't put them in yet. I hope these plug will last 100K as advertised. Hope they make Iridium plug for my lawn mower too. For oil change, use Mobil 1 and follow OEM recommended replacement (normal condition) and OEM filter. Synthetic oil can withstand high temperature so there is no difference if it is severe or normal operating condition. This will save your times, money and reduce pollution. > > i heard on car talk that those 3000mile oil change intervals were heavily > > influenced by the oil industry. they said 4500 or 5000 is fine especially [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > two different hondas at 167K and 235K, it's true, the oil industry AND > the repair industry are behind the unnecessary oil changes... |
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